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2003-02-14 15:55Patrick NorrisI've heard rumors in some posts here (though, it was probably just one of those fake AE po

From:: Patrick Norris <untitledartist@hotmail.com>
To:: <IDM@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:55:35 -0500
Subject:: [idm] Autechre and my views on their music

I've heard rumors in some posts here (though, it was probably just one of those fake AE posts)that AE's next record will be closer akin to their older records. I, frankly, refuse to beleive this since Grantz Graf (sorry if I mispelled) is one of my favorite works to date. Don't these guy's constantly challenge their listener's with some next level shit (often even to the extreme of alienating listeners, some of my freinds hate them now). I'd appreciate any insight or opinions anyone has on this. Also I just want to say that music is at it's all time high, better than it's ever been, and if you disagree make tracks to prove otherwise. (sorry, this is my new call to arms and what I think about before I start a track) Sorry for the odd rant I just wanted to yell this into the pipe in case someone actually has their ear to the other end.. Pats _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-02-14 18:45EggyToast>I've heard rumors in some posts here (though, it was probably just >one of those fake AE

From:: EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:45:08 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Autechre and my views on their music
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quoted 9 lines I've heard rumors in some posts here (though, it was probably just

>I've heard rumors in some posts here (though, it was probably just >one of those fake AE posts)that AE's next record will be closer akin >to their older records. I, frankly, refuse to beleive this since >Grantz Graf (sorry if I mispelled) is one of my favorite works to >date. Don't these guy's constantly challenge their listener's with >some next level shit (often even to the extreme of alienating >listeners, some of my freinds hate them now). I'd appreciate any >insight or opinions anyone has on this. >

Both sides of the argument are rampant whenever a new Autechre release comes out, most likely because their style has changed so dramatically over a relatively short time span. Inevitably, opinion gets interpreted as fact and the rumors spread. Regardless, it likely will continue on from Gantz Graf into an "emotional sonic assault" or "senseless drivel of noise," depending on whether you care about it or not. Although I don't think they really care about challenging their listeners, but rather challenging themselves. I certainly don't get the impression that they're just pushing tracks out there for money, and care more about doing things because it's what they want to do. -- eggytoast.com -------------- commerce soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-02-14 18:47skismthe new one certainly isn't their most accessible release in ages as has recently been sai

From:: skism <cazeone@ramdis.com>
To:: idm-l <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:47:33 -0000
Subject:: RE: [idm] Autechre and my views on their music
Reply to:: [idm] Autechre and my views on their music

the new one certainly isn't their most accessible release in ages as has recently been said... it sounds a bit like a more structured version of Confield, the boundries between the different sounds being a lot more precise... Confield to me sounded very organic, with the different elements flowing in and out and mutating gradualy into each other. it sounds alot more programmed (as opposed to generative) to my ears, much more complex from both a structural and sound point of view. also, the album encompases a much broader range of different sounds and rhythms than did confield... many of the tracks are broken into two seperate sections which are quite different from each other. there are two noticeable exceptions to the accessible dealie... . 6ie.cr which starts off with a drum-machine sounding hip hop influenced beat which lasts for a coulple of minutes, and is probably some of their most intricate drum programming to date, and is followed by some rather nice flute-like allmost melody... . surripere, which is an 11 min piece which spends the first few minutes with a mostly repetitive hand-drumesque beat and dark droney chords before eventually losing the plot (in a good way) and deforming into a rather bizzare rhythm and bass line. it's certainly a hugely complex album and the shitty quality of the tape promo doesn't really help matters... and i've only listened to it about 5 times so far, so i'll wait until i hear the CD before i make up my mind about it.... but those looking for another tri repetae or amber will be dissapointed, yet again... <nelson munce>ha ha</> ///skism

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> -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Norris [mailto:untitledartist@hotmail.com] > Sent: 14 February 2003 15:56 > To: IDM@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] Autechre and my views on their music > > > I've heard rumors in some posts here (though, it was probably just one of > those fake AE posts)that AE's next record will be closer akin to > their older > records. I, frankly, refuse to beleive this since Grantz Graf > (sorry if I > mispelled) is one of my favorite works to date. Don't these guy's > constantly challenge their listener's with some next level shit > (often even > to the extreme of alienating listeners, some of my freinds hate > them now). > I'd appreciate any insight or opinions anyone has on this. > > Also I just want to say that music is at it's all time high, better than > it's ever been, and if you disagree make tracks to prove > otherwise. (sorry, > this is my new call to arms and what I think about before I start a track) > > Sorry for the odd rant I just wanted to yell this into the pipe in case > someone actually has their ear to the other end.. > > Pats

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2003-02-14 19:24david.knight@schenkerusa.comI would reply that music is eternal and has always been what it is. What changes is the hu

From:: <david.knight@schenkerusa.com>
To:: <IDM@hyperreal.org>, <untitledartist@hotmail.com>
Date:: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:24:09 -0500
Subject:: RE: [idm] Autechre and my views on their music

I would reply that music is eternal and has always been what it is. What changes is the human capacity for participation and innovation in this godly realm. In this respect I would accept that music is more VARIED than it has ever before been and also more accessible: Both for consumption and creation...wherever you draw that line. Dave -----Original Message----- From: untitledartist [mailto:untitledartist@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 7:56 AM To: IDM Subject: [idm] Autechre and my views on their music I've heard rumors in some posts here (though, it was probably just one of those fake AE posts)that AE's next record will be closer akin to their older records. I, frankly, refuse to beleive this since Grantz Graf (sorry if I mispelled) is one of my favorite works to date. Don't these guy's constantly challenge their listener's with some next level shit (often even to the extreme of alienating listeners, some of my freinds hate them now). I'd appreciate any insight or opinions anyone has on this. Also I just want to say that music is at it's all time high, better than it's ever been, and if you disagree make tracks to prove otherwise. (sorry, this is my new call to arms and what I think about before I start a track) Sorry for the odd rant I just wanted to yell this into the pipe in case someone actually has their ear to the other end.. Pats _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-02-14 19:30david.knight@schenkerusa.comI hadn't heard Autechre and was told by a friend that they were coming to LA and that I mu

From:: <david.knight@schenkerusa.com>
To:: <eggy@eggytoast.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:30:49 -0500
Subject:: RE: [idm] Autechre and my views on their music

I hadn't heard Autechre and was told by a friend that they were coming to LA and that I must hear them...they are amazing, etc...went to the show at the El Rey about a year ago...with a group of 5...producers,musicians all...All aside from me big AU fans already... the place was packed...but the guys never really seemed to hit their stride...I wondered what my friends had been so excited about and they told me that this wasn't what they were expecting...I suppose in the drive to "challenge" whoever...they may have lost some of what gave their music it's appeal. Two cents worth...Dave -----Original Message----- From: eggy [mailto:eggy@eggytoast.com] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 10:45 AM To: idm Subject: Re: [idm] Autechre and my views on their music

quoted 9 lines I've heard rumors in some posts here (though, it was probably just

>I've heard rumors in some posts here (though, it was probably just >one of those fake AE posts)that AE's next record will be closer akin >to their older records. I, frankly, refuse to beleive this since >Grantz Graf (sorry if I mispelled) is one of my favorite works to >date. Don't these guy's constantly challenge their listener's with >some next level shit (often even to the extreme of alienating >listeners, some of my freinds hate them now). I'd appreciate any >insight or opinions anyone has on this. >

Both sides of the argument are rampant whenever a new Autechre release comes out, most likely because their style has changed so dramatically over a relatively short time span. Inevitably, opinion gets interpreted as fact and the rumors spread. Regardless, it likely will continue on from Gantz Graf into an "emotional sonic assault" or "senseless drivel of noise," depending on whether you care about it or not. Although I don't think they really care about challenging their listeners, but rather challenging themselves. I certainly don't get the impression that they're just pushing tracks out there for money, and care more about doing things because it's what they want to do. -- eggytoast.com -------------- commerce soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-02-14 21:25EggyToast>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Disposition: inline > ;Creation-Dat

From:: EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:25:36 -0500
Subject:: RE: [idm] Autechre and my views on their music
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>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Disposition: inline > ;Creation-Date="Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:30:49 -0500" > >I hadn't heard Autechre and was told by a friend that they were coming >to LA and that I must hear them...they are amazing, etc...went to the >show at the El Rey about a year ago...with a group of >5...producers,musicians all...All aside from me big AU fans already... >the place was packed...but the guys never really seemed to hit their >stride...I wondered what my friends had been so excited about and they >told me that this wasn't what they were expecting...I suppose in the >drive to "challenge" whoever...they may have lost some of what gave >their music it's appeal. > >Two cents worth...Dave

Agreed. Their live shows are a different boat entirely from their album material. The problem, I think, lies in that they're doing rather intricate evolving tracks live, but the PAs and rooms are so ass that it sounds less spectacular than it would at home. I was able to find a bootleg of the show I attended in minneapolis and, much to my surprise, it sounded a lot better in the crappy recording than it did at the actual show. of course, At home, you also have the advantage of listening to it again -- something that autechre tracks have sorta needed since after Amber. Oh well. At least their live work is completely new and different compared to their released tracks. You can tell they're not really into making dance music, though. derek -- eggytoast.com -------------- commerce soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-02-14 21:33Eric> Both sides of the argument are rampant whenever a new Autechre > release comes out, most

From:: Eric <eric@synthesizer.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:33:50 -0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] Autechre and my views on their music

quoted 4 lines Both sides of the argument are rampant whenever a new Autechre

> Both sides of the argument are rampant whenever a new Autechre > release comes out, most likely because their style has changed so > dramatically over a relatively short time span. Inevitably, opinion > gets interpreted as fact and the rumors spread.

This is a myth. The only thing dramatic difference is the contrast between what they're putting out and what a lot of noisy idm-posters would rather they put out. They have been constantly changing throughout their career. -eric --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-02-14 21:35EggyToast>> Both sides of the argument are rampant whenever a new Autechre >> release comes out, mo

From:: EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:35:27 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Autechre and my views on their music
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quoted 10 lines Both sides of the argument are rampant whenever a new Autechre

>> Both sides of the argument are rampant whenever a new Autechre >> release comes out, most likely because their style has changed so >> dramatically over a relatively short time span. Inevitably, opinion >> gets interpreted as fact and the rumors spread. > >This is a myth. The only thing dramatic difference is the contrast >between what they're putting out and what a lot of noisy >idm-posters would rather they put out. They have been constantly >changing throughout their career. >

Right, but listening to Incunabula and Amber and then listening to LP5 and Confield without knowing that they're the same artist would make many, many people think they're two totally different groups/artists. Few artists have moved so far from where they started over the course of a mere decade. Usually they split up and reform with other people in order to change, rather than keeping the same pair of people and progressing quite a bit with each release. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, and, yes, if you listen to them all in order you can certainly hear the progression taking place (although the whole thing after chiastic slide was sort of weird, but oh well). The changes between each release aren't dramatic, if that's what you're getting at, but looking at where they started and comparing it to where they're at now certainly is a leap. And yeah, what you said about idm-posters and hoping for old stuff is pretty much what I was getting at -- one side says "their stuff will be a logical evolution from their last release," whereas the other says "No, they should go back and do the old stuff, wouldn't that be great?" Both sides make rumours and one's inevitably (usually the "old-school hopefuls") upset. derek -- eggytoast.com -------------- commerce soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-02-14 22:39Patrick NorrisIn my post this morning I spoke of the evolution and chalenging the listener...but whomeve

From:: Patrick Norris <untitledartist@hotmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:39:25 -0500
Subject:: RE: [idm] Autechre and my views on their music

In my post this morning I spoke of the evolution and chalenging the listener...but whomever suggested they are actually chalenging themselves is dead on. The point I was trying to make was that I can't see them going back to anything. And on the subject of the call to arms, it's supposed to insight riots...It's not actually what I beleive. It makes me work on better tracks by asking what the hell is wrong with music. I say everything is better than it's ever been and half of me immediately goes fucking irate..most music has fucking gelled to almost fossilization (the point where matter ceices to be changing and becomes rock.)I can remember a time that music was closely related to freedom but now it seems like every time I want to get rowdy, no one else does. Just take for example Punk rock. I remember when shows would make me get uncomfortable for fear of some crazy shit going down, the singers missing six teeth and an eye, now it's all these prep kids with spiky hair. I want music to make me fucking feel, Grantz graf did that for me, Brownout (pnonecia) did that for me...that's what I want to do for someone, that's why I make songs is to share feelings because I can't bloody talk about it (just look at this fucking email). There's such a small amount of music I'd even consider close to good and the statement allows me to make tracks that I'd actually want people to hear and makes my style progress. Sorry for this insane rage-fest email...I hope someone agrees and I'm not just some mental case on a street corner going "god damn music.."and screaming nonsense no one understands. Anyway if you read this, and understood it, you are my new best freinds. Happy massacre day Pats _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-02-15 02:46EggyToast>There's such a small amount of music I'd even consider close to good and >the statement a

From:: EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:46:42 -0500
Subject:: RE: [idm] Autechre and my views on their music
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quoted 3 lines There's such a small amount of music I'd even consider close to good and

>There's such a small amount of music I'd even consider close to good and >the statement allows me to make tracks that I'd actually want people to >hear and makes my style progress.

Hey, I pretty much feel the same way. I don't make a point of it, you know, telling people that their music preferences suck, but I keep it to myself and if it comes up I may discuss it, but it's generally how I feel. There's a lot of music I don't like. And because of that, it helps me find what I *do* like. And really like, at that. I don't have a lot of "mediocre" music, I generally have a lot of "great" music and get rid of the good-or-worse crap. I have less because of that, but that's ok. It doesn't make me elitist (at least in my mind), cos I don't really care what other people like, and I don't think less of people because they listen to the radio or enjoy pop music (hell, my girlfriend listens to a lot of irish and scottish folk music (although some of those accordian players are absolutely amazing)). It just helps me focus on what I actually like, instead of hunting for the golden needle in the feces-riddled haystack. I mean, if you like everything, do you really like anything? There's a saying I like that goes with that, about people who just like everything without discerning their preferences: If you try to make love to the world, you end up getting fucked. derek :D ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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