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Epic Records Group has taken the drastic step of sealing CD players shut and gluing headphones onto them to stop digital copies being made from promotional albums. The albums involved are Riot Act by Pearl Jam and Scarlet's Walk by Tori Amos. ........and both of them was to be found as pre-release in various filesharing-programs weeks before the release date..... gluing......excuse me but i have to laugh now... ----- Oprindelig meddelelse ----- Fra: <Oneaphex@aol.com> Til: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sendt: 15. januar 2003 23:39 Emne: [idm] promos glued in players

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Sometimes I think I should glue my squarepusher Cd's into my player. It wouldn't change anything they never leave the player anyway.... Oh and how does that stop copyright infringement, with 30 minutes, a screwdriver, and some aligator clips it wouldn't be hard to get a copy...I'm just sayin'...... P _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:58:14 -0500 "Patrick Norris" <untitledartist@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 3 lines Oh and how does that stop copyright infringement, with 30 minutes, a

> Oh and how does that stop copyright infringement, with 30 minutes, a > screwdriver, and some aligator clips it wouldn't be hard to get a > copy...I'm just sayin'......

Alternatively just rip out the cd in the worst way you could and grab a copy. If they want the damn player back, claim it got broken in some strange freak accident involving the dog, duct tape and rubbe.. actually, never mind. If they want the player back, well, hell, send it back, perhaps with a few more inflicted "injuries" ;-) R

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quoted 2 lines Oh and how does that stop copyright infringement, with 30 minutes, a

> > Oh and how does that stop copyright infringement, with 30 minutes, a > > screwdriver..,

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quoted 2 lines Alternatively just rip out the cd in the worst way you could and grab a

>Alternatively just rip out the cd in the worst way you could and grab a >copy.

Well, it seems to me that a 'reviewer' needs stuff to review and one might prize being on a promo list of a label which carries the ilk of Ae. It would not seem like too much of a logical leap to assume that any such option would probably delete your address from the promo list F-A-S-T. It's a matter of counting the cost. Merely having a copy or uploading such to a filesharing network hardly seems like sufficient reward for losing a valuable promo connection if you are in the biz of reviewing. And record companies DO watch ebay for advance copies which are posted before release. I bought something from a store in a used bin and put it up a few weeks back which turned out to be 3 weeks ahead of the release date. Instinct saw it, complained to ebay and the auction was shut down and I was warned that relisting would result in suspension. My guess is that this promo on ebay is only up there (still, I mean - if it is as of yet) because it is a cassette. Assuming it's a Warp release, they have not been historically amenable to incidents of this nature. As I wrote to someone else offlist, it's like ice on a lake in Winter after a long warm spell...just because you see other people on it is no certainty that it will hold you up. I would extend that simile to the aforementioned instance of returning a tampered player to the company, except that I think I would change the season to Summer and suggest that the observer may be experimenting with psychotropic substances :-) jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I wasn't implying that i've done this or that this is something I'd try if given the chance to hear a record early. I was making a point and my point is this: it took me 5 minutes to come up with this method for copying and there're probably hundreds more ways to do so in a manner that would'nt be completely apparent to whomever checks the CD players. If this person just wanted the promo for themselves and didn't leak it, It's at least probable that you could get around the silliness of a glued CD player. Maybe it seems absurd to some to go to the trouble...It does to me too. I feel, however that the idea of a glued cd player being any kind of real protection against anything seems as idiotic as the aforementioned way to get around it. After all I thought the first person to post this was joking... Pat _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 11:54:05AM -0500, Patrick Norris wrote:

quoted 4 lines Maybe it seems absurd to some to go to the trouble...It does to me too. I

> Maybe it seems absurd to some to go to the trouble...It does to me too. I > feel, however that the idea of a glued cd player being any kind of real > protection against anything seems as idiotic as the aforementioned way to > get around it.

why not just put the reviewer in a room (after being searched) and play them the cd as much as is necessary. actually what I would do is send a load of 'promos' to reviewers which are actually complete crap, different crap for each reviewer. then see where it ends up. but hey why release anything at all... -- Graham Bennett --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

<why not just put the reviewer in a room (after being searched) and play them the cd as much as is necessary.> They did for that Geogaddi - instead of sending out promos, you got invited to a listening party and if you were writing a review and wanted to hear it some more, you were supposedly welcome to drop by Warp's Brooklyn offices to hear it again. Bob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line Maybe it seems absurd to some to go to the trouble

> Maybe it seems absurd to some to go to the trouble

Another thought occured to me- Doesn't it do an injustice to the music (especially electronic music) to have reviewers listen to the recording on some stinky, disposable set of earphones? You may as well play it over a regular ol' telephone.