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2003-01-05 04:49kEro [logistics] © [idm] pdm
└─ 2003-01-05 09:07ben gill Re: [idm] pdm
2003-01-06 01:09D. Wagner Re: [idm] pdm
└─ 2003-01-06 02:19Mxyzptlk Re: [idm] pdm
2003-01-06 16:56Mxyzptlk Re: [idm] pdm
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2003-01-05 04:49kEro [logistics] ©call it techno. i make that shit and i aint inteligent i am a fry-on and fcuk wit max/msp
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call it techno. i make that shit and i aint inteligent i am a fry-on and fcuk wit max/msp . that shit aint intelleigent. gettin baked and makin patches maybe it should be called pdm[potdance music]hahhhahaha, maybe the listeners are pretending to be intelligent but i sure aint. All the producers i know that have wax out are not intelelligent, they just know how to use their computers. i agree with the dude that said techno techno techno. fuck it... _k __..__ _.-"\ "-. .-"\ \ `. .' \ ; \ www.djkero.com / ; : .' ; www.shitkatapult.com : : ; .' : www.detroitunderground.net ; @ ; : / ; www.bpitchcontrol.com : _, ,^--.; / /: www.lowres.com : .+""`, : `+, .' | www.kerologistics.com ) c), `-,-=,;_.-' : www.satantechno.com / ` ,-;|| ; / _.'(o) '-';;"-..__/ ICQ: 101424589 ( , o ,-"""-.._.' FON: [313]737-6661 )` :`. .' )-. ; `- / \ _.-' : ( _.-" `. \ "---"--. \ \ `. \ \ \ _.sSb \ _.sSSSSSSSb dSSSSSSSSP^" \ SSSP^" ___ \ / .gP""""Tp. \ : d' . `b \ ; d' o `b ; / d; `b| /, $; @ `: /' $$ ; .' $$b (o) | .' d$$$; : / .d$$$$; , ; d .d$$$$$$$ $ | :bp.__.g$$$$$$$$$ :$ ; $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$b : --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-05 09:07ben gillIt's so funny that the "I" in IDM causes such a controversy. I even remember reading somet
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Sun, 5 Jan 2003 01:07:46 -0800 (PST)
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It's so funny that the "I" in IDM causes such a controversy. I even remember reading something from Warp about how calling the music "intelligent" is bollocks...first off: calling something "intelligent" does not imply anything about any other music not immediately referred to. People constantly invoke that argument against the term IDM, which is indirect and avoids the subject. The subject is the music we're talking about, autechre, aphex, Rephlex records, Schematic, etc. etc., not drum and bass, house, psy-trance or anything else. Saying Autechre is IDM infers absolutely nothing about any band except Autechre. Second off, I know being called "intelligent" is uncool, and has loads of unappealing connotations. But fuck, intelligence as intelligence, by itself, can also be viewed as a positive thing once in a while, no? Loosen up, people. It's OK to listen to music that some call "intelligent (dance music)." A person can't even really infer anything about you, let alone your intelligence, from the fact that you listen to IDM. So relax, if you consider intelligence such a taboo epithet. Ben --- "kEro [logistics] ?" <kero@detroitunderground.net> wrote:
quoted 61 lines call it techno. i make that shit and i aint> call it techno. i make that shit and i aint > inteligent i am a fry-on and > fcuk wit max/msp . that shit aint intelleigent. > gettin baked and makin > patches maybe it should be called pdm[potdance > music]hahhhahaha, maybe the > listeners are pretending to be intelligent but i > sure aint. All the > producers i know that have wax out are not > intelelligent, they just know how > to use their computers. i agree with the dude that > said techno techno > techno. fuck it... > > _k > > > > > > > > __..__ > _.-"\ "-. > .-"\ \ `. > .' \ ; \ www.djkero.com > / ; : .' ; www.shitkatapult.com > : : ; .' : > www.detroitunderground.net > ; @ ; : / ; www.bpitchcontrol.com > : _, ,^--.; / /: www.lowres.com > : .+""`, : `+, .' | www.kerologistics.com > ) c), `-,-=,;_.-' : www.satantechno.com > / ` ,-;|| ; > / _.'(o) '-';;"-..__/ ICQ: 101424589 > ( , o ,-"""-.._.' FON: [313]737-6661 > )` :`. .' > )-. ; `- / > \ _.-' : > ( _.-" `. \ > "---"--. \ \ > `. \ \ > \ _.sSb > \ _.sSSSSSSSb > dSSSSSSSSP^" \ > SSSP^" ___ \ > / .gP""""Tp. \ > : d' . `b \ > ; d' o `b ; > / d; `b| > /, $; @ `: > /' $$ ; > .' $$b (o) | > .' d$$$; : > / .d$$$$; , ; > d .d$$$$$$$ $ | > :bp.__.g$$$$$$$$$ :$ ; > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$b : > > >
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2003-01-06 01:09D. WagnerI've also heard the argument made somewhere that the "intelligent" in IDM was thought to h
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Sun, 5 Jan 2003 17:09:02 -0800
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Re: [idm] pdm
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I've also heard the argument made somewhere that the "intelligent" in IDM was thought to have an almost racist connotation for a while. Has anybody else heard this as well? DW ----- Original Message ----- From: "ben gill" <gillette_foamy@yahoo.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [idm] pdm It's so funny that the "I" in IDM causes such a controversy. I even remember reading something from Warp about how calling the music "intelligent" is bollocks...first off: calling something "intelligent" does not imply anything about any other music not immediately referred to. People constantly invoke that argument against the term IDM, which is indirect and avoids the subject. The subject is the music we're talking about, autechre, aphex, Rephlex records, Schematic, etc. etc., not drum and bass, house, psy-trance or anything else. Saying Autechre is IDM infers absolutely nothing about any band except Autechre. Second off, I know being called "intelligent" is uncool, and has loads of unappealing connotations. But fuck, intelligence as intelligence, by itself, can also be viewed as a positive thing once in a while, no? Loosen up, people. It's OK to listen to music that some call "intelligent (dance music)." A person can't even really infer anything about you, let alone your intelligence, from the fact that you listen to IDM. So relax, if you consider intelligence such a taboo epithet. Ben --- "kEro [logistics] ©" <kero@detroitunderground.net> wrote:
quoted 61 lines call it techno. i make that shit and i aint> call it techno. i make that shit and i aint > inteligent i am a fry-on and > fcuk wit max/msp . that shit aint intelleigent. > gettin baked and makin > patches maybe it should be called pdm[potdance > music]hahhhahaha, maybe the > listeners are pretending to be intelligent but i > sure aint. All the > producers i know that have wax out are not > intelelligent, they just know how > to use their computers. i agree with the dude that > said techno techno > techno. fuck it... > > _k > > > > > > > > __..__ > _.-"\ "-. > .-"\ \ `. > .' \ ; \ www.djkero.com > / ; : .' ; www.shitkatapult.com > : : ; .' : > www.detroitunderground.net > ; @ ; : / ; www.bpitchcontrol.com > : _, ,^--.; / /: www.lowres.com > : .+""`, : `+, .' | www.kerologistics.com > ) c), `-,-=,;_.-' : www.satantechno.com > / ` ,-;|| ; > / _.'(o) '-';;"-..__/ ICQ: 101424589 > ( , o ,-"""-.._.' FON: [313]737-6661 > )` :`. .' > )-. ; `- / > \ _.-' : > ( _.-" `. \ > "---"--. \ \ > `. \ \ > \ _.sSb > \ _.sSSSSSSSb > dSSSSSSSSP^" \ > SSSP^" ___ \ > / .gP""""Tp. \ > : d' . `b \ > ; d' o `b ; > / d; `b| > /, $; @ `: > /' $$ ; > .' $$b (o) | > .' d$$$; : > / .d$$$$; , ; > d .d$$$$$$$ $ | > :bp.__.g$$$$$$$$$ :$ ; > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$b : > > >
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2003-01-06 02:19MxyzptlkThe construing of it as being such is what I would consider racist. This thread is demonic
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Sun, 05 Jan 2003 20:19:23 -0600
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The construing of it as being such is what I would consider racist. This thread is demonic. Let's cast it out (now that I have had a say :-). jeff At 07:09 PM 1/5/2003, D. Wagner wrote:
quoted 5 lines I've also heard the argument made somewhere that the "intelligent" in IDM>I've also heard the argument made somewhere that the "intelligent" in IDM >was thought to have an almost racist connotation for a while. Has anybody >else heard this as well? > >DW
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2003-01-06 16:56MxyzptlkBreaking it down a bit: *Saying* that the term "IDM" is racist may be construed as racist
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Mon, 06 Jan 2003 10:56:13 -0600
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Breaking it down a bit: *Saying* that the term "IDM" is racist may be construed as racist (as if there is a race which is excluded from "intelligence"). The argument about whether the term "IDM" is a good one and whether anything should replace it has recurred so often and for so long (archives, anyone?) that it must have a supernatural origin. FS lists and FA lists have been around and an accepted part of the list (for good or ill) for ages as well, but they apparently are welcomed to some extent by a degree of the populace and have some kind of function - unlike the perennial rehash of the term "IDM" which evokes no light and often heat. Mikrolux is a lovely label. jeff At 10:49 PM 1/5/2003, ben gill wrote:
quoted 33 lines the link between calling music "IDM" and racism seems>the link between calling music "IDM" and racism seems >so completely ridiculous I can't even begin to form a >response. This thread being demonic is so ridiculous >I can't even begin to form a response. Just put the >messages in the same file as the Guidance/Ebay posts. > > >oye, snow.... > >Ben > >ps, "wevie stonder" is the best name I've ever heard >in my life, no joke. Big ups. > > >--- Mxyzptlk <jpklein@telocity.com> wrote: > > The construing of it as being such is what I would > > consider racist. > > This thread is demonic. Let's cast it out (now that > > I have had a say :-). > > jeff > > > > > > > > > > At 07:09 PM 1/5/2003, D. Wagner wrote: > > >I've also heard the argument made somewhere that > > the "intelligent" in IDM > > >was thought to have an almost racist connotation > > for a while. Has anybody > > >else heard this as well? > > > > > >DW
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