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2003-01-06 02:07kEro [logistics] © [idm] pdm-idm
└─ 2003-01-06 03:49Marco Carbone Re: [idm] harry idm truman
└─ 2003-01-06 05:21ben gill [idm] the "J" in Michael J. Anderson better damn well mean something....
└─ 2003-01-06 14:14EggyToast Re: [idm] the "J" in Michael J. Anderson better damn well mean something....
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2003-01-06 02:07kEro [logistics] ©yes i am relaxed now after exhaling the kilobytes. i guess bieng called intelligent is coo
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yes i am relaxed now after exhaling the kilobytes. i guess bieng called intelligent is cool. we are all more inteligent than those morons listining to trance. sup with itm ? they got that shit yet, hahhaahh... _kidding trance lovers on the list. _k __..__ _.-"\ "-. .-"\ \ `. .' \ ; \ www.djkero.com / ; : .' ; www.shitkatapult.com : : ; .' : www.detroitunderground.net ; @ ; : / ; www.bpitchcontrol.com : _, ,^--.; / /: www.lowres.com : .+""`, : `+, .' | www.kerologistics.com ) c), `-,-=,;_.-' : www.satantechno.com / ` ,-;|| ; / _.'(o) '-';;"-..__/ ICQ: 101424589 ( , o ,-"""-.._.' FON: [313]737-6661 )` :`. .' )-. ; `- / \ _.-' : ( _.-" `. \ "---"--. \ \ `. \ \ \ _.sSb \ _.sSSSSSSSb dSSSSSSSSP^" \ SSSP^" ___ \ / .gP""""Tp. \ : d' . `b \ ; d' o `b ; / d; `b| /, $; @ `: /' $$ ; .' $$b (o) | .' d$$$; : / .d$$$$; , ; d .d$$$$$$$ $ | :bp.__.g$$$$$$$$$ :$ ; $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$b : --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-06 03:49Marco CarboneWell here's a proposed solution to the "intelligent" problem that arises from the appellat
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Well here's a proposed solution to the "intelligent" problem that arises from the appellation IDM: now, it's clear that no one really likes the fact that this genre of music is called intelligent, because it implies some pretentious on the part of the listener or the part of the composer, or both. So how about we go ahead and say that IDM stands for nothing? That's right, nothing. This is not without precedence. For example, DVD technically stands for nothing but DVD. Now, certain companies will tell you it stands for Digital Video Disc, and others will say Digital Versatile Disc, but the big companies never agreed on a unique standard, and so today DVD stands alone. The same goes for the middle name of Harry S Truman - it stands for S, and nothing more. We all know by now what kind of music IDM represents, and I think the music stands on its own as the definition of IDM, just as "rock" cannot not be broken down into a description of its represented music, we all just know what "rock" is. The same goes for punk, new age, jazz, rap, etc. - we only know what kind of music these genre names describe because of experience, not from the words themselves. True, each of these words has an interesting derivation and back story, and so does IDM. But I propose that herein out, when we think of the word, we should think of it as an atom rather than an acronym. -marco --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-06 05:21ben gill--- Marco Carbone <mcarbone@eecs.harvard.edu> wrote: > Well here's a proposed solution to
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--- Marco Carbone <mcarbone@eecs.harvard.edu> wrote:
quoted 11 lines Well here's a proposed solution to the "intelligent"> Well here's a proposed solution to the "intelligent" > problem that arises > from the appellation IDM: now, it's clear that no > one really likes the fact > that this genre of music is called intelligent, > because it implies some > pretentious on the part of the listener or the part > of the composer, or > both. So how about we go ahead and say that IDM > stands for > nothing? That's right, nothing.
That's a bit of a cop-out, isn't it? Empty acronyms follow flawed concepts, like the SAT, and I guess the beaurocracy behind DVD. Negating its meaning just obscures the music even more. Why shouldn't the term stand for something? How about something similar and more confrontational, yet ultimately simple: refuse illogical thinking (in this case). The issues people take with the word "intelligent" are really non-issues. Why negate the entire term IDM when only 1/3 of its parts is "controversial"? (and even that doesn't really seem to be much of an issue, besides the bad rep which follows). Seriously though, no one is going to change the worldwide use of the term IDM. Tinkering with a term (that belongs to no one entity but the public domain) and universally changing its meaning is too complex for a global change. If anything, another term will replace it as the music changes significantly enough to warrant a new moniker, a la "breakbeat" vs. "jungle" vs. "drum and bass." Let's just pray that the "braindance" campaign doesn't gain ground... Ben __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-06 14:14EggyToast>That's a bit of a cop-out, isn't it? Empty acronyms >follow flawed concepts, like the SAT
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quoted 12 lines That's a bit of a cop-out, isn't it? Empty acronyms>That's a bit of a cop-out, isn't it? Empty acronyms >follow flawed concepts, like the SAT, and I guess the >beaurocracy behind DVD. Negating its meaning just >obscures the music even more. Why shouldn't the term >stand for something? How about something similar and >more confrontational, yet ultimately simple: refuse >illogical thinking (in this case). The issues people >take with the word "intelligent" are really >non-issues. Why negate the entire term IDM when only >1/3 of its parts is "controversial"? (and even that >doesn't really seem to be much of an issue, besides >the bad rep which follows).
If metal can do ballads, we can have IDM. derek -- eggytoast.com -------------- commerce soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org