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2003-01-04 21:26sz rol Re: [idm] drukqs
└─ 2003-01-05 03:39matt jarsky RE: [idm] drukqs
2003-01-05 03:43Steve Ellsworth Re: [idm] drukqs is not a letdown by far!
└─ 2003-01-05 08:59B Peru Re: [idm] drukqs is not a letdown by far!
2003-01-05 03:56Aaron Johnson Re: [idm] drukqs is not a letdown by far!
2003-01-05 09:41B Peru Re: [idm] drukqs is not a letdown by far!
2003-01-05 14:05dennis Re: [idm] drukqs is not a letdown by far!
└─ 2003-01-05 19:05Aaron Blankenship Re: [idm] drukqs is not a letdown by far!
└─ 2003-01-05 22:40EggyToast Re: [idm] drukqs is not a letdown by far!
2003-01-05 17:07David Ross Re: [idm] drukqs is not a letdown by far!
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2003-01-04 21:26sz rolI really think drukqs is his best album to date, and for a number of reasons. first of all
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I really think drukqs is his best album to date, and for a number of reasons. first of all, to me all of his other albums seem somewhat static. Beginning with RDJ his music became a little more dynamic, but it was all tiny footsteps towards a much larger goal. come to daddy and for the most part windowlicker were extensions of this, although window licker was more of the prelude to drukqs in my opinion. druqks has to be one of the most complex albums i've ever listened to, and not so much in the autechre-grain-cloud-additive-jizba way. beyond that, drukqs shines through in style. no one else on this planet has his style, and you can hear it in every single track on that cd. on the other hand, i do have to say about drukqs that I dont listen to any of the "melody" tracks really, minus one or two. for the most part they sound to me like a single synthesizer with a few different chords and rhythms, although the prepared piano stuff is interesting. all in all i think it should have been just one cd and a lot of the melody tracks should have been cut, but then again i dont drive a tank. sz _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-05 03:39matt jarsky"autechre-grain-cloud-additive-jizba" could someone break down the above phrase for me? I
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"autechre-grain-cloud-additive-jizba" could someone break down the above phrase for me? I know & enjoy Ae, but I'd really like to lnwo what the rest of that means. :) Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-05 03:43Steve EllsworthWell I have the luxury of not owning anything by Aphex Twin before I bought drukqs. I was
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Well I have the luxury of not owning anything by Aphex Twin before I bought drukqs. I was into Underworld (and still am btw) and I wanted to get some more electronica and an Amazon.com trail of "customers who bought this also bought that" lead me to Aphex. So I bought drukqs and was kinda confused at first thinking that Aphex was putting on some joke and was laughing at everyone who listens to it because it is kinda, well, umm uneasy listening. But I made a mix of all the fast songs and it is now by far the best music I have owned in years. Its so futuristic that it sounds like the music "hip" people in the book Neuromancer would listen to. I am getting his early stuff like the Caustic Window stuff, Polygon Window, SAW and SAWII I like them a lot and I can see how ahead of time Aphex was because back when I used to go to raves in the mid 90's the stuff I heard was like aerobics music compared to Aphex (Although I did hear PAC MAN at a rave back in the day and dug it). I don't have I Care or RDJ yet as I am still letting drukqs and all his other stuff soak in...I bet everyone on this list wishes they can hear Early Aphex as if it were their first time...Don't hate me because I am beautiful. Actually, don't envy me--I still have to go through the whole "Oh my shit! I can't believe I listen to music called IDM...What a pretentious prick I have become" Ben Gill sounds like you are looking for a different sound than Aphex is providing nowadays. Drukqs is EXACTLY the kinda music I want to hear. Its totally relevant to my attitude and my life. You are just in a different place. steveE --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-05 08:59B PeruUnderworld, yeah they had a few decent tunes in the past. Everything after Second Toughest
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Underworld, yeah they had a few decent tunes in the past. Everything after Second Toughest Infants sucks pretty hard!! What's up with Darren Emerson? That Underwater comp he just put out is the biggest lump of progressive trance/house shite I've heard in ages. Regarding Aphex Twin, "Drukqs" is sort of a return to form, although it's not even close to his earlier work. I left the cd in my car for a few weeks and tired of it quickly. I think there are a lot of filler tunes that could have been cut. "Gwely Mernans" is excellent, sounds like SAW II. "Bbydhyonchord" and "Meltphace 6" are really great tunes!! Windowlicker and Come To Daddy were rather blah in my opinion. Excellent videos but a big let down musically. Luckily there is one good tune IZ-US on Come To Daddy, so it's not a total let down. --- Steve Ellsworth <steveellsworth@adelphia.net> wrote:
quoted 47 lines Well I have the luxury of not owning anything by> Well I have the luxury of not owning anything by > Aphex Twin before I bought > drukqs. I was into Underworld (and still am btw) > and I wanted to get some > more electronica and an Amazon.com trail of > "customers who bought this also > bought that" lead me to Aphex. So I bought drukqs > and was kinda confused at > first thinking that Aphex was putting on some joke > and was laughing at > everyone who listens to it because it is kinda, > well, umm uneasy listening. > But I made a mix of all the fast songs and it is now > by far the best music I > have owned in years. Its so futuristic that it > sounds like the music "hip" > people in the book Neuromancer would listen to. I > am getting his early > stuff like the Caustic Window stuff, Polygon Window, > SAW and SAWII I like > them a lot and I can see how ahead of time Aphex was > because back when I > used to go to raves in the mid 90's the stuff I > heard was like aerobics > music compared to Aphex (Although I did hear PAC MAN > at a rave back in the > day and dug it). I don't have I Care or RDJ yet as > I am still letting > drukqs and all his other stuff soak in...I bet > everyone on this list wishes > they can hear Early Aphex as if it were their first > time...Don't hate me > because I am beautiful. Actually, don't envy me--I > still have to go through > the whole "Oh my shit! I can't believe I listen to > music called IDM...What a > pretentious prick I have become" > > Ben Gill sounds like you are looking for a different > sound than Aphex is > providing nowadays. Drukqs is EXACTLY the kinda > music I want to hear. Its > totally relevant to my attitude and my life. You > are just in a different > place. > > steveE
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2003-01-05 03:56Aaron Johnson"I care because you do" is a must have. I enjoy that album over *any* others by AFX. Brill
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"I care because you do" is a must have. I enjoy that album over *any* others by AFX. Brilliant. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-05 09:41B PeruI'm assuming there are a lot of people on this list that got into IDM late in the game so
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I'm assuming there are a lot of people on this list that got into IDM late in the game so they have a different perspective. I think anyone who started collecting Aphex Twin from the beginning would have different perspective than someone who just discover him a few years ago. Maybe I'm wrong If the history perspective is semi true, that might explain the ratio? Even the most diehard old skool idmers find it hard to stay on the list. Where the hell is Alan Parry or Lance Mcgannon? --- ben gill <gillette_foamy@yahoo.com> wrote:
quoted 15 lines Wow. One post out of about ten that says anything> Wow. One post out of about ten that says anything > close to something I agree with. I can't believe > how > many people have said things like everything before > "RDJ" is boring, and stuff about how the more recent > output is the best...keerist. I assumed waaayyyy > more > people would agree with the idea that the early > stuff > is the foundation, called "classic" for a reason. > Did > all the old school IDM-listers jump ship en masse a > few years back? > > Ben
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2003-01-05 14:05dennisImo "ON " was his best release ever! That's the record which triggered my attention toward
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Imo "ON " was his best release ever! That's the record which triggered my attention towards idm, avant-garde, electronix, braindance whatever..... I still think that often an artists' 1st period is the most interesting period I enjoy Aphex's, AE's, Squarepushers', Plaids' first records more than what they try to create now. Often it seems to me that nowadays they are trying/looking harder for weirdness instead of feeling/emotion. For instance, i really tried to enjoy Gantz Graf...listened to it quit often.... but i can't dig the stuff It's a bit too much: " See-how-we-know-our-way-in-software-music" To me, music is more than a clever and inventive way of arranging/triggering drumsounds I really don't care whether AFX's piano is modificated... i enjoy a "live" piano just as much.. maybe more!? I find it harder and harder to find records which i want to buy... only label i buy from with my eyes closed is TOYTRONIC .... but for how long? I don't mean to say releases from nowadays Suck... not at all... but records like SAW 85-92, Not for Threes, Music has the right to children, Anti ep, Anvil Vapre.... Not sure whether i will new records as much as those... hey... maybe we're spoiled! Quibuz ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Peru" <mybadelf@yahoo.com> To: "ben gill" <gillette_foamy@yahoo.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [idm] drukqs is not a letdown by far!
quoted 39 lines I'm assuming there are a lot of people on this list> I'm assuming there are a lot of people on this list > that got into IDM late in the game so they have a > different perspective. I think anyone who started > collecting Aphex Twin from the beginning would have > different perspective than someone who just discover > him a few years ago. Maybe I'm wrong > > If the history perspective is semi true, that might > explain the ratio? Even the most diehard old skool > idmers find it hard to stay on the list. Where the > hell is Alan Parry or Lance Mcgannon? > > --- ben gill <gillette_foamy@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Wow. One post out of about ten that says anything > > close to something I agree with. I can't believe > > how > > many people have said things like everything before > > "RDJ" is boring, and stuff about how the more recent > > output is the best...keerist. I assumed waaayyyy > > more > > people would agree with the idea that the early > > stuff > > is the foundation, called "classic" for a reason. > > Did > > all the old school IDM-listers jump ship en masse a > > few years back? > > > > Ben > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2003-01-05 19:05Aaron BlankenshipI've had similar feelings about new AFX/AE releases. But I find myself wondering: how much
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I've had similar feelings about new AFX/AE releases. But I find myself wondering: how much of this nostalgia for things past is becuase the music then was different (better?), and how much of it is becuase we the listeners were then different? Or, differently put, because our musical tastes crystallized at that point in time? This crystallization of musical tastes, i would argue, is a well-established phenomenon. Ubiquitous it's not to be sure (for instance, my 50-year-old father introduced me to electronic music), but look at how oldies are still being played. They are by and large the music that gripped an older generation (and an influential generation, by virtue of its size) in its youth. The youth passed, but the tastes stayed the same. Are those of us who long for music past undergoing a similar transition to musical stasis and simply rationalizing it to ourselves by claiming that there's something in the music from ten years ago that today's music just lacks? Surely I've heard the same thing said by my grandfather while listening to my music, wistfully recalling the music of his youth. It would after all be very easy to back up one's tastes with a quasi-objective justification. Pick a unique aspect of your favorite music that's lacking from contemporary music, identify that as the thing that makes music good, and lament its absence. Today, we speak of the emotionality that's lacking in newer releases. Ten years from now, people coming into their musical prime today might long for the rash experimentalism, the unparalleled synergy with computers that 2013's composers just lack. Perhaps this is not the correct forum for such musings, but I think it's an interesting way to look at the ever-recurring "music-was-better-10-years-ago" lament. One problem with all of this is of course definining what makes music good, and thus better than other music. Most of us are not musicologists, I suspect, so it's a very subjective business. Which lends credence to my argument, I guess: in the absence of an objective "good" in music, any evaluation will be based on the evaluator, and not the music, so if the evaluation changes, it's becuase of the evaluator, not the music. Aaron np: Derrick May - The Innovator At 03:05 PM 1/5/2003 +0100, you wrote:
quoted 86 lines Imo "ON " was his best release ever! That's the record which triggered>Imo "ON " was his best release ever! That's the record which triggered >my attention towards idm, avant-garde, electronix, braindance whatever..... >I still think that often an artists' 1st period is the most interesting >period >I enjoy Aphex's, AE's, Squarepushers', Plaids' first records more than >what they try to create now. >Often it seems to me that nowadays they are trying/looking >harder for weirdness instead of feeling/emotion. >For instance, i really tried to enjoy Gantz Graf...listened to it >quit often.... but i can't dig the stuff >It's a bit too much: " See-how-we-know-our-way-in-software-music" >To me, music is more than a clever and inventive >way of arranging/triggering drumsounds > >I really don't care whether AFX's piano is modificated... i enjoy a "live" >piano >just as much.. maybe more!? >I find it harder and harder to find records which i want to buy... >only label i buy from with my eyes closed is TOYTRONIC .... but for how >long? > >I don't mean to say releases from nowadays Suck... not at all... but records >like >SAW 85-92, Not for Threes, Music has the right to children, Anti ep, Anvil >Vapre.... >Not sure whether i will new records as much as those... > >hey... maybe we're spoiled! > >Quibuz > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "B Peru" <mybadelf@yahoo.com> >To: "ben gill" <gillette_foamy@yahoo.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 10:41 AM >Subject: Re: [idm] drukqs is not a letdown by far! > > > > I'm assuming there are a lot of people on this list > > that got into IDM late in the game so they have a > > different perspective. I think anyone who started > > collecting Aphex Twin from the beginning would have > > different perspective than someone who just discover > > him a few years ago. Maybe I'm wrong > > > > If the history perspective is semi true, that might > > explain the ratio? Even the most diehard old skool > > idmers find it hard to stay on the list. Where the > > hell is Alan Parry or Lance Mcgannon? > > > > --- ben gill <gillette_foamy@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Wow. One post out of about ten that says anything > > > close to something I agree with. I can't believe > > > how > > > many people have said things like everything before > > > "RDJ" is boring, and stuff about how the more recent > > > output is the best...keerist. I assumed waaayyyy > > > more > > > people would agree with the idea that the early > > > stuff > > > is the foundation, called "classic" for a reason. > > > Did > > > all the old school IDM-listers jump ship en masse a > > > few years back? > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2003-01-05 22:40EggyToast>Perhaps this is not the correct forum for such musings, but I think it's >an interesting
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quoted 9 lines Perhaps this is not the correct forum for such musings, but I think it's>Perhaps this is not the correct forum for such musings, but I think it's >an interesting way to look at the ever-recurring >"music-was-better-10-years-ago" lament. One problem with all of this is >of course definining what makes music good, and thus better than other >music. Most of us are not musicologists, I suspect, so it's a very >subjective business. Which lends credence to my argument, I guess: in the >absence of an objective "good" in music, any evaluation will be based on >the evaluator, and not the music, so if the evaluation changes, it's >becuase of the evaluator, not the music.
It's not entirely true -- 80's popular "new wave" music was and always will be awful. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-05 17:07David Rossyes. Jumped ship in early 98 and I'm only recently back in the last month. I'm feeling the
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yes. Jumped ship in early 98 and I'm only recently back in the last month. I'm feeling the same sorts of things about Autechre and Aphex as has been hashed out in the last few days. There's a lack of atmosphere in the music that I'm looking for that was clearly present in 92, 93, 94, 95. ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Peru" <mybadelf@yahoo.com> To: "ben gill" <gillette_foamy@yahoo.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 3:41 AM Subject: Re: [idm] drukqs is not a letdown by far!
quoted 40 lines I'm assuming there are a lot of people on this list> I'm assuming there are a lot of people on this list > that got into IDM late in the game so they have a > different perspective. I think anyone who started > collecting Aphex Twin from the beginning would have > different perspective than someone who just discover > him a few years ago. Maybe I'm wrong > > If the history perspective is semi true, that might > explain the ratio? Even the most diehard old skool > idmers find it hard to stay on the list. Where the > hell is Alan Parry or Lance Mcgannon? > > --- ben gill <gillette_foamy@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Wow. One post out of about ten that says anything > > close to something I agree with. I can't believe > > how > > many people have said things like everything before > > "RDJ" is boring, and stuff about how the more recent > > output is the best...keerist. I assumed waaayyyy > > more > > people would agree with the idea that the early > > stuff > > is the foundation, called "classic" for a reason. > > Did > > all the old school IDM-listers jump ship en masse a > > few years back? > > > > Ben > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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