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new Sigur Ros album. What a complete waste! I can't imagine anything more boring than "()" I've never been much of a fan, but a friend was raving about a recent live show of theirs and put on the cd. It sounded to me like nothing more than re-hashed Pink Floyd with all the prog-rock symphonic trappings. One song even had the exact same chord progression of Stairway to Heaven.

Quoting "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@premiereradio.com>:

quoted 5 lines new Sigur Ros

> > new Sigur Ros > > re-hashed Pink Floyd with all the prog-rock symphonic trappings. One > song > even had the exact same chord progression of Stairway to Heaven.

Speaking of prog-rock, why does everyone like Pink Floyd? I should think it obvious that Yes is the better band! -Adam --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 18 Dec 2002 at 11:10, adam@damek.org wrote:

quoted 2 lines Speaking of prog-rock, why does everyone like Pink Floyd? I should think it

> Speaking of prog-rock, why does everyone like Pink Floyd? I should think it > obvious that Yes is the better band!

Hahaha!!!! You'll probably get publicly beaten for that, but I must say that I thoroughly agree. Being a dinosaur, I grew up with those bands and was hugely into Yes (oh come one people, Roundabout is wonderful!) and never bought a single Pink Floyd album after Relics. I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I totally agree; () is terrible. I have been a huge Sigur Ros fan ever since I saw them live at Coachella a few years back. Their first album was a fucking masterpiece. SOmeone here criticized "Agaetis..." for being a collection of songs and not a cohesive album. Even if I thought that was true, and I don't think it is, I wouldn't care. The songs on "Agaetis..." were beautifully crafted. They had great melodies, stunning arrangemets, and they evolved over time. Sigur Ros clearly had a lot of great ideas and executed those ideas with great skill when making that album. (), on the other hand, is boring, shoe-gazer, prog-rock. Instead of writing great songs, Sigur Ros has elected to bludgeon their listeners with mopey, repetitive dirges that all sound more or less the same. Worse yet, nearly all of these songs were fully formed and played during their 2001 tour. So, not only is () a bad album, it is a bad album that most Sigur Ros fans had already heard before it was released. Most bands play their songs live before they are relased on an album, but take the time in the studio to develop and experiment with those songs. Not so with (). () is far and away the most disappointing album of the year. --- "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@premiereradio.com> wrote:

quoted 16 lines new

> > new > Sigur Ros > album. What a complete waste! I can't imagine > anything more boring > than "()" > > I've never been much of a fan, but a friend was > raving about a recent live > show of theirs and put on the cd. It sounded to me > like nothing more than > re-hashed Pink Floyd with all the prog-rock > symphonic trappings. One song > even had the exact same chord progression of > Stairway to Heaven. >

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On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 02:01:10PM -0800, Justin Lovero wrote:

quoted 4 lines I totally agree; () is terrible. I have been a huge

> I totally agree; () is terrible. I have been a huge > Sigur Ros fan ever since I saw them live at Coachella > a few years back. Their first album was a fucking > masterpiece.

When you say first album here, I assume you're talking about Von? Von was far from a masterpiece. It had a couple of great songs on it but overall it was a bit too random for my liking. If however you are talking about AB as the first album, then maybe you aren't the huge Sigur Ros fan you think you are. Anyway () is my favourite album of the year, but like all great things it's impossible to pinpoint why exactly. It's alot more focused than AB was, with a nice split between they "happy" half and the "heavy" half. The songs themselves more then stand up to those on AB, and I really don't see how people can say opposite. Track 8 is one of the best things I've heard. I love the way it changes from having a nice, dreamy guitar line to just being a monster of a track. Track 2 is another great one, great melody and it sounds like it should have a huge epic ending but in the end it just fades away beautifully into Track 3, which is another one I like greatly despite it's simplicity. I could go on, but I don't think I'm going to change anyone's opinion here. But I think the AB vs. () debate is alot like the Music Has The The Right to Children vs. Geogaddi debate, Geogaddi has the better songs, but nothing can compare to the magic of hearing songs like Rogybiv, Olson or Aquarius for the first time. Neil --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

--- Neil Walsh <marvin@Redbrick.DCU.IE> wrote:

quoted 8 lines When you say first album here, I assume you're

> When you say first album here, I assume you're > talking about Von? Von was far > from a masterpiece. It had a couple of great songs > on it but overall it was a > bit too random for my liking. If however you are > talking about AB as the first > album, then maybe you aren't the huge Sigur Ros fan > you think you are.

I know that Von was the first album. In fact, I own Von. You're right, It just skipped my mind. I should have said last album instead of first album. My bad.

quoted 3 lines Anyway () is my favourite album of the year, but

> Anyway () is my favourite album of the year, but > like all great things it's > impossible to pinpoint why exactly. etc... etc...

I was really harsh on () in my previous post. I actually like it in spots too. Tracks 2, 3, and 4 are pretty good. Song 8, "Pop Song", has a great ending, but the first 6 minutes are dull as hell. I have been pretty brutal to () simply because it's so disappointing. If it didn't have to follow AB, I would probably view it as an "okay" album. It doesn't hold a candle to AB, though. The songs just aren't nearly as strong. JMHO.

quoted 7 lines But I think the AB vs. () debate is alot like the

> But I think the AB vs. () debate is alot like the > Music Has The The Right to > Children vs. Geogaddi debate, Geogaddi has the > better songs, but nothing can > compare to the magic of hearing songs like Rogybiv, > Olson or Aquarius for the > first time.

That's a pretty good comparison in some ways. However, MHTRTC and Geogaddi are not terribly different soundwise, whereas AB and () are quite different. I was pretty shocked at how stripped down () was compared to AB. I miss the lush arrangements with keys, guitar, strings, bass, drums, vocals, brass, etc. Oh well. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Atom Heart Mother is one of my all time favourite albums ever. I don't know why people (including most Floyd fans and Floyd themselves) seem to think this is one of their weaker efforts. Alans Pschedelic Breakfast is fucking amazing!! All their early albums are fantastic too... they went downhill from DSOTM onwards... though despite it's amazingly high levels of pretention The Wall is also amazing.... Yes suck balls. I haven't listened to any King Crimson though, what album is a good place to start? ...skism --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 5 lines I haven't listened to any King Crimson though, what album is a good place

> >I haven't listened to any King Crimson though, what album is a good place >to start? > >...skism

That really depends on what version and style of KC appeals to you. The band has gone through MANY changes and stylistic shifts. Fripp is the one constant. Since we are digging into the coffers, I'd suggest "In the Court of the Crimson King" (their first). The early records which followed this got a bit more esoteric and jazzy and were lots of fun as well. I also love the whole "Lark's Tongues in Aspic"/ "Red"/"Starless and Bible Black" phases which feature Bill Bruford (stellar ex-Yes percussionist) and John Wetton (Family - remember them??, Roxy Music bassist/session player). My .02 on this thread would be that early/mid Yes is some quite musically adept stuff indeed...but when you get past "Close to the Edge" (imo) you go way over the edge with the next record. Jon Anderson was always a bit much to take as well. One of my favorite anecdotes recalls seeing Black Sabbath and Yes on the same bill. :-) Comparing Floyd to Yes is kinda apples with oranges...PF was more about art rock/psychedelia and Yes is art rock>straight up progressive rock. After DSOTM, the Floyds seem to get quite patternistic with what they did. I actually prefer "Meddle" to DSOTM as it's got more rough edges to it and you can hear the notions which will be come DSOTM incipient. Of course, early and mid Floyd are quite different animals from DSOTM and onwards indeed. What an incredible time for rock music - the late 60's and early 70s spawned some great notions. I always saw what happened to Floyd (resting on the laurels of DSOTM - imo, of course - and the codification of that as their sound via post DSOTM releases) and Yes ("Tales from the Topographic Ocean"?? You *really* had to be a fan!!!) nice metaphors for what happened to rock music in general and a clear argument for the need of the whole Punk/Garage Rock era to rise up. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

1. All the IDM 40-somethings come out of the woodwork. 2. They all go off on a tangent about their favorite prog-rock, i.e. what they listened to in their misspent *cough*BONG*cough* youth. I still think "Before and After Science" by Brian Eno kicks all the prog-rocker's asses. And if that doesn't do it "Taking Tiger Mountain by Strategy" And yes I'm a 40-something and yes (Yes?) I listened to all that stuff in my teens. It all kind of went over the side of the lifeboat after the first Ramones record though. I had the most schizoid record collection circa 1977 -- 1/3 Jazz, 1/3 German Electronica, 1/3 Punk/New Wave. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Quoting Kent williams <kent@avalon.net>:

quoted 1 line 1. All the IDM 40-somethings come out of the woodwork.

> 1. All the IDM 40-somethings come out of the woodwork.

[...]

quoted 7 lines And yes I'm a 40-something and yes (Yes?) I listened to all that stuff

> And yes I'm a 40-something and yes (Yes?) I listened to all that stuff > in > my teens. It all kind of went over the side of the lifeboat after the > first > Ramones record though. I had the most schizoid record collection > circa > 1977 -- 1/3 Jazz, 1/3 German Electronica, 1/3 Punk/New Wave.

Hmm ... I'm (only?) 25, and I just got into Yes in the past few months. I don't think Pink Floyd are bad, I was just pissing in the wind for fun in my earlier message ;-) And I still have a schizoid record collection. Just cuz a few people start talking about prog-rock naturally doesn't mean we (well, me anyway) don't have quite a few other things in our collection. I mean, alongside my Autechre I got Tori Amos, BoC and Bola are right next to David Bowie, Susumu Yokota's down by Yes, Plaid's near Pink Floyd, Red Snapper & Radiohead share space with Lou Reed, Squarepusher's not far from the London Suede, and my Orbital and Carl Orff are sitting by Our Lady Peace. And now that I've bragged about my IDM-list "music variety cred", I'll gear up for one more post and then shut up for another 6 months! :D -Adam --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 19 Dec 2002 at 14:03, skism wrote:

quoted 1 line I haven't listened to any King Crimson though,

> I haven't listened to any King Crimson though,

Larks Tongues in Aspic Discipline HOWEVER - ***warning*** having recently re-listened to Larks' Tongues, which used to be a great favourite, I was dismayed at how poorly it's aged. Sometimes nostalgia is best left unpacked. I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, skism wrote:

quoted 1 line Alans Pschedelic Breakfast is fucking amazing!!

> Alans Pschedelic Breakfast is fucking amazing!!

Agreed.

quoted 1 line Yes suck balls.

> Yes suck balls.

Disagree, but understand and respect your opinion. However, if you're feeling charitable, do try to give 'Close to the Edge' or 'Tales from Topographic Oceans' a neutral listen: the production is dated, but the composition... Many people I know can't get past Jon Anderson's voice/lyrics (I'm not one of them), but I think enough time has passed to re-evaluate them...

quoted 2 lines I haven't listened to any King Crimson though, what album is a good place

> I haven't listened to any King Crimson though, what album is a good place > to start?

If you don't like Yes, you might start with something later: the 'golden era' (IMHO) of 'later year' KC are the 3 albums from the 80s, Discipline, Beat, & 3 of a Perfect Pair. IMHO the first two are stronger than the last, but all are worth a listen. The instrumentals may particularly appeal (personally I [heart] Adrian Belew). The ideal starting point might be 'the sheltering sky,' a long instrumental... On the other hand, there is much to like in early KC ~ it's just more rooted in its era (60s/70s) and sounds it... but again, if you don't like Yes... might try Islands though. Best regards, aaron ghede@well.com http://www.quietamerican.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Oh, c'mon Donna Summer - I just know you want to addyour two cents to this conversation. SOMEBODY has to be here to tell the rest of us that Journey is truly the cockrockinest group to ever grace our planet, right? :P JS

quoted 48 lines From: Mxyzptlk <jpklein@telocity.com>

>From: Mxyzptlk <jpklein@telocity.com> >To: <cazeone@ramdis.com>,<idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: RE: [idm] yes indeed NO NO NO >Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:33:08 -0600 > > >> >>I haven't listened to any King Crimson though, what album is a good place >>to start? >> >>...skism > >That really depends on what version and style of KC appeals to you. The >band has gone through MANY changes and stylistic shifts. >Fripp is the one constant. Since we are digging into the coffers, I'd >suggest "In the Court of the Crimson King" (their first). The early records >which followed this got a bit more esoteric and jazzy and were lots of fun >as well. >I also love the whole "Lark's Tongues in Aspic"/ "Red"/"Starless and Bible >Black" phases which feature Bill Bruford (stellar ex-Yes percussionist) and >John Wetton (Family - remember them??, Roxy Music bassist/session player). >My .02 on this thread would be that early/mid Yes is some quite musically >adept stuff indeed...but when you get past "Close to the Edge" (imo) you go >way over the edge with the next record. Jon Anderson was always a bit much >to take as well. >One of my favorite anecdotes recalls seeing Black Sabbath and Yes on the >same bill. :-) >Comparing Floyd to Yes is kinda apples with oranges...PF was more about art >rock/psychedelia and Yes is art rock>straight up progressive rock. >After DSOTM, the Floyds seem to get quite patternistic with what they did. >I actually prefer "Meddle" to DSOTM as it's got more rough edges to it and >you can hear the notions which will be come DSOTM incipient. Of course, >early and mid Floyd are quite different animals from DSOTM and onwards >indeed. >What an incredible time for rock music - the late 60's and early 70s >spawned some great notions. I always saw what happened to Floyd (resting on >the laurels of DSOTM - imo, of course - and the codification of that as >their sound via post DSOTM releases) and Yes ("Tales from the Topographic >Ocean"?? You *really* had to be a fan!!!) nice metaphors for what happened >to rock music in general and a clear argument for the need of the whole >Punk/Garage Rock era to rise up. > > jeff > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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On 19 Dec 2002 at 0:11, Mark Fleschler wrote:

quoted 2 lines Oh come on... Relics??! Those were some nice early singles and all.. but

> Oh come on... Relics??! Those were some nice early singles and all.. but > really.

Sorry! That was said awaiting the onslaught of Floyd praise. ("I've got a bike / you can ride it if you like it") ;-)

quoted 3 lines featuring a dog on vocals) was under 8 minutes in length, and shows

> featuring a dog on vocals) was under 8 minutes in length, and shows > the band in the studio wanking on analog keyboards while recording Dark > Side

As you were saying ... Oh, and I also quite enjoyed the Obscured by Clouds track off the La Vallee soundtrack. I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org