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[idm] Re: wochenende (aka MBM's 'RUOK?' IDM-List thread)

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2002-10-29 06:27pietrobot [idm] Re: wochenende (aka MBM's 'RUOK?' IDM-List thread)
2002-10-29 06:38Andrew Hime [idm] Re: wochenende (aka MBM's 'RUOK?' IDM-List thread)
2002-10-29 14:17Reading, John RE: [idm] Re: wochenende (aka MBM's 'RUOK?' IDM-List thread)
└─ 2002-10-29 14:24EggyToast RE: [idm] Re: wochenende (aka MBM's 'RUOK?' IDM-List thread)
2002-10-29 16:49pietro [idm] Re: wochenende (aka MBM's 'RUOK?' IDM-List thread)
2002-11-03 16:39Paul Chillage [idm] Re: wochenende (aka MBM's 'RUOK?' IDM-List thread)
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2002-10-29 06:27pietrobotLong reply here, so watch out! I had to post to this thread as i've been an avid fan of al
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Long reply here, so watch out! I had to post to this thread as i've been an avid fan of all things MBM related for well over 10 years now. Some of you might just delete this message, some of you might skim through it.. either way, if you're slightly into MBM, or are considering the new album, please read below for some interesting arguments.. ;) --------- Brian Albers wrote:: :: Meat Beat Manifesto- RUOK? :: Should've been called 'Music for Stoners.' Gone are any hints of the big :: beat acid-y techno that has been his trademark over the past handful of :: albums, and instead we get an album of slow- and mid-paced instrumental :: dub. Since when was MBM considered "Big-Beat Acid-y Techno"?? I can see your point with the "big-beat" and "acid-y" references, but it's pretty harsh to consider MBM in the "techno" genre when his true signature lies in a solid beat molded to rumbling basslines. Of course, not all of it falls into this space, but a majority of MBM does. You also labelled the new 'RUOK?' as "mid-paced instrumental dub", while a couple tracks may range slightly in this direction i wouldn't say the entire album is as such. 'RUOK?' blends instrumental electronics to a more subdued minimal electronic frequency. Some of the tracks, such as "Yuri", "No Echo In Space" and "Retrograde" delve more into experimental territory than usual MBM.. Brian Albers wrote:: :: MBM is now relegated to the same status as NIN in that I won't even bother :: with the studio albums any more, but I'll keep my fingers crossed for the :: remixes Why would you label MBM in the same group as NIN? Doesn't make too much sense to me considering that Jack Dangers decided to leave Nothing (Trent's label) for obvious reasons, indeed. EggyToast wrote:: :: Hey, thanks for the review. I had been contemplating picking this up :: but had held off after reviewing my previous MBM material (and :: realizing that the hit to filler ratio is pretty equal, tipping actually towards :: filler) and figured I'd wait until the reviews came in. Did you consider Brian Albers opinions above as a review? Did it accurately describe the music or did it suggest a point of view from the perspective of one persons opinions? Do a simple search for MBM's 'RUOK?' reviews, and you might be surprised to hear what people have been saying. It's quite astonishing to say the least. 'RUOK?' subtracts the vocals from previous album, minimizes the layers of vocal-samplings and multiplies the degree of basslines, percussion, and experimental frequencies 10-fold.. Maybe these reviews of 'RUOK?' will help: http://www.earpollution.com/v2/reviews/reviews-display.asp?var=4136 http://www.igloomag.com/document.php?task=printview&id=303&category=reviews http://www.dimple.com/pages/type2u.asp?StoryID=1289 EggyToast wrote:: :: Speaking of which, has anyone picked up the Tino's Breaks "Halloween :: Dub" release? How's that compared to previous tino material? We've been playing this on our program for several weeks. If you're looking for the "spookier" side of the TinoCorp "Breaks" series of releases, then this is the title for you. As suggested, DUB/Reggae is the focus on this release and it further compliments the continued success of this series.. Andrew Hime wrote:: :: I dunno, I've never understood why this list so reveres a band I associate :: with leather pants wearing rivetheads. Ooh, distorted vocals! It's about as :: menacing as those teens in the haunted house I went to last night. Damn :: that Slipknot t-shirt and ICP facepaint shore is SCARY! Andrew, RUOK? That's all i really have to say. EggyToast wrote:: :: No, err, "acid again" and "prime audio soup," and a few other tracks off :: Actual Sounds. After picking up some of the earlier albums, I decided that :: Jack Dangers really can't rap nor sing, so stopped buying back catalog stuff. Did you consider 1992's Satyricon full-length? This album is packed with many great vocal/lyric-driven tracks such as "Edge of no Control", "Placebo", "Mindstream", "Circles" et cetera et cetera. EggyToast wrote:: :: So, I just like the stuff he's done for other people and the few tracks :: he'd had remixed by really great artists. I mean, the first 4 Tino's :: Breaks LPs were fantastic, and some of the compilation stuff Mr. Dangers :: has done under his own name is really good. Have you heard any of the Flexi-Disc series of releases, the sub-label of TinoCorp called "Sounds of the 20th Century"? These feature a more abstract field-recording based style with radio-frequencies, disjointed conversations and odd electrical currents. You might also be into the JD release of 'Variaciones Espectrales' where 7 tracks were composed in 7 days for the Bella Union/Instinct record label. If you enjoy the remix skills Jack has done for countless bands, maybe you'd be into Brooklyn Music presents 'Pro.File.01' with Jack Dangers/MBM Remix Collection compiling 11 of remixes from the likes of DHS, NIN, David Bowie, Deepsky, Atomic Babies, The Shamen, David Byrne, Freddy Fresh, Banco de Gaia, Papa Brittle and Tino himself! EggyToast wrote:: :: But, yeah, especially for the early stuff, not only is it cheesy, it really :: attracted the wrong crowd :D Not sure what you mean here.. are you commenting on the "Industrial" tag that MBM was lumped under in the days of '99%' & 'Storm the Studio'? You consider these to be cheesy? CAPOIIEE@aol.com wrote:: :: but while jack dangers is irritating on the microphone, he is a genius :: with a sequencer and a sampler... Totally agree with you on this one.. CAPOIIEE@aol.com wrote:: :: meat beat is a genre on its own, and that's what makes it quality. Excellent point here.. MBM have always been rather hard to describe when it comes to a particular genre. But then, i think Jack wants it that way too.. :D More information on all things MBM related: TinoCorp :: www.tinocorp.com MBM Site :: www.brainwashed.com/mbm MBM Historical Site :: www.digitalchemist.com/mbm --------- Pietro. || digital::nimbus | :: experimental electronic radio :: || || friday night mid-3am (pst) | www.digitalnimbus.com || || kuci 88.9 fm | p.o. box 443 | orange | california, 92856 || --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-10-29 06:38Andrew Hime> Andrew Hime wrote:: > :: I dunno, I've never understood why this list so reveres a band
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quoted 2 lines Andrew Hime wrote::> Andrew Hime wrote:: > :: I dunno, I've never understood why this list so reveres a band I
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quoted 1 line :: with leather pants wearing rivetheads. Ooh, distorted vocals! It's> :: with leather pants wearing rivetheads. Ooh, distorted vocals! It's
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quoted 4 lines :: menacing as those teens in the haunted house I went to last night. Damn> :: menacing as those teens in the haunted house I went to last night. Damn > :: that Slipknot t-shirt and ICP facepaint shore is SCARY! > > Andrew, RUOK? That's all i really have to say.
Well, I guess you told me! (Pietro, much love, but come on...) Street team, anyone? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-10-29 14:17Reading, JohnFrom someone firmly in the middle of both POV's: I dig it. And anyone considering, should
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From someone firmly in the middle of both POV's: I dig it. And anyone considering, should not listen to any of us. http://www.brainwashed.com/common/sounds/rm/meat_beat_manifesto-supersou l.ram
quoted 32 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Hime [mailto:hime@charter.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 1:38 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] Re: wochenende (aka MBM's 'RUOK?' IDM-List thread) > > > > Andrew Hime wrote:: > > :: I dunno, I've never understood why this list so reveres a band I > associate > > :: with leather pants wearing rivetheads. Ooh, distorted > vocals! It's > about as > > :: menacing as those teens in the haunted house I went to > last night. Damn > > :: that Slipknot t-shirt and ICP facepaint shore is SCARY! > > > > Andrew, RUOK? That's all i really have to say. > > Well, I guess you told me! > > (Pietro, much love, but come on...) > > Street team, anyone? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2002-10-29 14:24EggyToast>>>From someone firmly in the middle of both POV's: > >I dig it. And anyone considering, s
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quoted 3 lines From someone firmly in the middle of both POV's:>>>From someone firmly in the middle of both POV's: > >I dig it. And anyone considering, should not listen to any of us.
Yeah, pietro brings up some good points. It's quite true that the most recent meat beat manifesto thing prior to RUOK is that "eccentric objects" EP, and I really liked that. Is this a logical progression from that? And pietro, the cheesy thing was the bad british rapping :) derek -- eggytoast.com -------------- you'll shoot your eye out --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-10-29 16:49pietroAndrew Hime wrote:: :: (Pietro, much love, but come on...) :: Street team, anyone? I had a
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Andrew Hime wrote:: :: (Pietro, much love, but come on...) :: Street team, anyone? I had a feeling this would come up.. so let me lay it down this way.. @_@ Besides the passion i have for the band and the continued support with just about everything Jack has laid his hands on, i'm simply continuing to promote a band that has been the underdog for too many years. As someone on the list pointed out, "..jack dangers laid the groundwork for so much of this 'idm' shit or whatever...you kids need to do your homework.." --that pretty much says it all. EggyToast wrote:: :: It's quite true that the most recent meat beat :: manifesto thing prior to RUOK is that "eccentric :: objects" EP, and I really liked that. Is this a logical :: progression from that? "Eccentric Objects" focuses on the obscure musique- concrete styled field-recordings/sample infested sound and compliments that era of genre-breaking music quite well. I wouldn't really compare "Eccentric Objects" with "RUOK?".. instead, on "RUOK?" you get your usual MBM rhythms & wide basslines tied to a few analog-experimental tracks.. then you have the great downbeat yet funky moments like "SuperSoul" and "What does it all Mean".. --top stuff.. Well, i hope i don't sound too biased to the Meat Beat sound.. i think Jack is a true innovator of the beat and deserves some credit.. For those of you interested to hear what Jack had to say in a recent interview on Digital::Nimbus click here: www.digitalnimbus.net/archive/oct_2002/mbm_interview.m3u Pietro. || digital::nimbus | www.digitalnimbus.com || || kuci 88.9 fm :: kuci.org | friday night mid-3am || || p.o. box 443 | orange | california, 92856 || --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-11-03 16:39Paul ChillageSorry I'm late on this but my opinion is this: MBM are indeed true innovators. Didn't they
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Sorry I'm late on this but my opinion is this: MBM are indeed true innovators. Didn't they invent drum n bass? And if you like your glitch (see Aphex Twin and so forth) then MBM are responsible. Paul Chillage ================================== Snafu, Thursdays 3-5pm (GMT) PowerFM.org Streaming live from Dublin City 24/7. 3 speeds: Modem (+ simulataneous surfin' without the buffer!) - http://live.powerfm.org/asx/powerlive16k.asx Modem - http://live.powerfm.org/asx/powerlive.asx ISDN/DSL and Cable - http://live.powerfm.org/asx/powerlive64k.asx or you could check out: The Chillage Idiots on Xfm since 01/1996 every Sunday 20.00-22.00 repeated: Monday 07.30-09.30 & Saturday 01.00-03.00 http://www.isis.ie/xfm/chill.ram our deFocus records special: http://www.isis.ie/xfm/defocus.ram our Jimi Tenor interview: http://www.isis.ie/xfm/tenor.ram --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org