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2002-08-22 00:29henrik str.mberg [idm] scion
├─ 2002-08-22 01:20[idm] scion CD is a nice treat
└─ 2002-08-23 01:41Alan R. Lockett [idm] shapes & forms [was Re: [idm] scion]
2002-08-23 17:48M Mercer Re: [idm] shapes & forms [was Re: [idm] scion]
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2002-08-22 00:29henrik str.mbergso i've just been to see tikiman+scion live. good show. sounded very much like the rhythm
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so i've just been to see tikiman+scion live. good show. sounded very much like the rhythm & sound showcase album... i just couldn't shake the feeling that it's actually the same guys... rhythm & sound = scion = basic channel...? especially since r&s/bc refuce to be photographed - the only way they can play live would be to invent another alias... also, tikiman kept saying "rhythm & sound" during the gig... i dunno... hs -- ___________________________ conspiracy theories r us... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-22 01:20svinrave@yahoo.comi just ot it today and it is very good where did you see them live? any place in USA? ____
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i just ot it today and it is very good where did you see them live? any place in USA? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-23 01:41Alan R. LockettStill on the BC/CR artists identity tip, I'm intrigued to know the provenance and spirit o
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Still on the BC/CR artists identity tip, I'm intrigued to know the provenance and spirit of a project/artist going by the name of 'shapes & forms'. I recently came by a number of tracks by shapes & forms that sound like someone parodying the BC/CR sound (reinforced by titles that seemed like intertextual references). The sound is so generically BC/CR (obsessive 4-on-the-floor kickdrum, post-house keyboard stabs suffused with grainy background noise, and dubby effects; there are dead ringers here for tracks by the likes of Maurizio, Scion, Fluxion) that it almost comes across as caricature. What's more, the source of some of the tracks appears to be an album mischievously entitled 'Plagiarism'. So, anyone know what the game is here...? alan/beyond...sound Quoting "henrik str.mberg" <hs@groove.st>:
quoted 18 lines so i've just been to see tikiman+scion live. good show. sounded very> so i've just been to see tikiman+scion live. good show. sounded very > much like the rhythm & sound showcase album... i just couldn't shake > the feeling that it's actually the same guys... rhythm & sound = > scion = basic channel...? especially since r&s/bc refuce to be > photographed - the only way they can play live would be to invent > another alias... also, tikiman kept saying "rhythm & sound" during > the gig... i dunno... > > hs > -- > ___________________________ > conspiracy theories r us... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2002-08-23 17:48M Mercerto the best of my knowledge, shapes & forms is not anyone directly affiliated with BC/CR.
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to the best of my knowledge, shapes & forms is not anyone directly affiliated with BC/CR. Diego Hostetler has released a few solo releases under the moniker Diego (the "Mouth Full of Fresh Cut Flowers" release on Kanzleramt is great, for one). I emailed them a while ago when they were strictly mp3.com based and they said basically that they love the BC/CR sound, which is why they emulate it in their own music a lot. Here is the bio as posted on www.kanzleramt.com: -- Shapes & Forms is a project by Diego Hostettler living in Switzerland and Dave Ellesmere orignated in England now situated in Amsterdam. Both cooperate exclusively over the internet on their further development of deep electronic music. Diego and Dave were two of the first artists to upload their tracks in the early days of mp3.com. There they met and from then on they tried to develop a common functioning ? what forced them to use the same equipment. Not an easy task but after some initial work they succeeded. The combination of their musical talents is as fertile as bizarre! 2 years ago Diego Hostettler, technoproducer and pianist, son of a swiss jazz-musician, meets Dave Ellesmere, former drummer of legendary hardcore bands like Discharge and Flux of Pink Indians, on the net. At the beginning Dave keeps secret about his musical past and conceals his real identity by using the the Pseudonym Voco Derman. Diego & Dave realized a common taste in music and share the same ideas about the free distribution of music. Chatting about ?Plagiarism? on the net, both agree that the further development of a given musical system is rather interessting and not a thievery of ideas. Shorthand they decided to musicaly elaborate the Basic Channel like Dub-Techno and started producing. Of course all results were constantly uploaded and made public. -- you can probably still find their stuff on mp3.com ... i highly recommend them to anyone into this sound. on a side note, the new k2o compilation is not bad (subdivision of kanzleramt). it includes a track from s&f as well as multicast, psi-performer, lazyfish, dennis desantis, kareem, tenecke, monophace and more. in regards to the original post, scion is Pete Kuschnereit aka Substance and Ren? L?we aka Vainquer. i don't know that they were ever involved with the original BC record series, and I'm pretty sure they are not affiliated with Rhythm & sound either, but it's easy to assume so; a lot of this stuff starts to blend together after a while. Fortunately, almost all of it is good, too :-)
quoted 21 lines Still on the BC/CR artists identity tip, I'm intrigued to know the>Still on the BC/CR artists identity tip, I'm intrigued to know the >provenance >and spirit of a project/artist going by the name of 'shapes & forms'. >I recently came by a number of tracks by shapes & forms that sound like >someone >parodying the BC/CR sound (reinforced by titles that seemed like >intertextual >references). The sound is so generically BC/CR (obsessive 4-on-the-floor >kickdrum, post-house keyboard stabs suffused with grainy background noise, >and dubby effects; there are dead ringers here for tracks by the likes of >Maurizio, Scion, Fluxion) that it almost comes across as caricature. What's >more, the source of some of the tracks appears to be an album mischievously >entitled 'Plagiarism'. So, anyone know what the game is here...? > > > so i've just been to see tikiman+scion live. good show. sounded very > > much like the rhythm & sound showcase album... i just couldn't shake > > the feeling that it's actually the same guys... rhythm & sound = > > scion = basic channel...? especially since r&s/bc refuce to be > > photographed - the only way they can play live would be to invent > > another alias... also, tikiman kept saying "rhythm & sound" during > > the gig... i dunno...
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