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2002-08-22 02:57M Mercer Re: [idm] how bad is it when..........
2002-08-22 06:44:m. zero Re: [idm] how bad is it when..........
2002-08-22 17:34concrete cookie Re: [idm] how bad is it when.....rave WAS commodified
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2002-08-22 02:57M Mercerbut what about techno? it's one of the only genres that seems to continually reinvent itse
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but what about techno? it's one of the only genres that seems to continually reinvent itself, and is still accessible on a dancefloor. contrary to what you seem to think, there's a LOT of interesting things happening within repetition and 4/floor... if anything not only based around it, but changing it, rethinking it. the answer to your problem is not killing trance DJs but rather just not paying the rip-off entry fee and not going to cheesy raves. seems simple enough to me :-)
quoted 17 lines How bad really is it that whenever I hear trance or anything progressive>How bad really is it that whenever I hear trance or anything progressive >electronic music I just want to stand-up and BOO at the top of my lungs. >Come on really now what are these djs and producers thinking trying to tell >me that the shit is cool and to give it a chance. Don't they know that >anything Progressive is just a waterdown mainstream form of a pure >electronic music style. Is it so bad that sometimes I just can't bare it >and I do stand up and start screaming "FOR THE INHUMANITY TO STOP ON THE >TURNTABLES". Why do RAVERS claim to know so much about electronic music >and then cringe when you play something that doesn't fall in the trance, >house, jungle, or breaks catagories. This shit has gone on long enough! >NO more four on the floor repeditive basslines, no more air horns and >whistles its time to get serious. Its time for you kids that actually know >whats up to take center stage and organize some events, and get some of the >real electronic music out in the clubs or party circuits. Yes I know that >the underground is great but I want to here this music on huge frickin rigs >and the only way to do that is by getting people to come so you have the >money to rent the WALLS OF BASS. Whos with me anyone......anyone.........?
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2002-08-22 06:44:m. zero<rant> i have to agree with this completely, and then take it a bit further. being somethi
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<rant> i have to agree with this completely, and then take it a bit further. being something of a jaded ex-candy kid gone straight audiophile, i can understand where a great deal of the animosity towards that sort of scene and sound comes from. there are quite a few artists out there who really don't earn their keep in my opinion, but 4/4 and repetition is not necessarily trite. for me, a lot of juding the merits of that sort of music comes from a sort of deontological perspective. that is to say, what is the motivation for the rep? you take a look at something like psychic tv and the infinite beat era, and you recognize motive and purpose. psst...it's about synchronicity. sonic and photic stimulation to provide a channel in which the exposed individual can synchronize. you can consider it primitive if you like, but it needs to be acknolwedged as also being human. take laying down a 4/4 track at 120bpm for example...that particular beat is an emulation of a fetal heartbeat. motive. purpose. i think the point is just that it _can_ be there. an excercise in cyclic presentation needn't always be mindless. blanket statements are dangerous. if you don't like it, that's fine. don't listen. don't go. if you think you just don't understand it, listen again. otherwise, you're essentially a self-professed hypocrite considering your declared preference for densely technical music. </rant> :mz // anonbox · http://posthoc.org/ | http://anonbox.net/ | http://ecesis.org/ 'if there were two of you, which one would win?'
quoted 1 line but what about techno? it's one of the only genres that seems to> but what about techno? it's one of the only genres that seems to
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quoted 3 lines reinvent itself, and is still accessible on a dancefloor. contrary to what> reinvent itself, and is still accessible on a dancefloor. contrary to what > you seem to think, there's a LOT of interesting things happening within > repetition and 4/floor... if anything not only based around it, but
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quoted 5 lines it, rethinking it.> it, rethinking it. > > the answer to your problem is not killing trance DJs but rather just not > paying the rip-off entry fee and not going to cheesy raves. seems simple > enough to me :-)
quoted 7 lines NO more four on the floor repeditive basslines, no more air horns and>NO more four on the floor repeditive basslines, no more air horns and >whistles its time to get serious. Its time for you kids that actually know >whats up to take center stage and organize some events, and get some of the >real electronic music out in the clubs or party circuits. Yes I know that >the underground is great but I want to here this music on huge frickin rigs >and the only way to do that is by getting people to come so you have the >money to rent the WALLS OF BASS. Whos with me anyone......anyone.........?
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2002-08-22 17:34concrete cookieI think its both the promoters and the audience responsible for the lack of experimental s
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Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:34:50 -0700
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I think its both the promoters and the audience responsible for the lack of experimental stuff at "raves" First off because "rave" as defined now (anarchy in a controlled environment?) is a commercial event designed to make money, not because people love music. "Rave" has been attached to a meat market to promote and sell mainstream music that has a lot of $$$$ behind it. Because its a cool word indicating rebellion and madness for this NEW form of music... except now its old and packaged and sold for 29.99 and not a rave... You're not going to get much love for the music out of a meat market. Also, it seems many people tend not to search too deep when it comes to music and will go to something only if they hear that its worthwile from someone else first. Take that "risk" of god forbid...plopping down $15 for something that someone hasn't pre-viewed? Even people who profess to like music sometimes don't search out new music or tend to dismiss events where there are artists they've "never heard of"... So how is anything that has no support/backing to thrive and be heard at parties? (oh...never HEARD of these guys lets not book them often means "these people have no PR machine making everyone want them why spend money?") ...I think the real electronic raves are still there, but low key and avoiding the usage of the word which has mutated to define something else. In today's world of flashy advertising its hard to get anyone to notice anything that's not pre-viewed in papers, or hyped up for 5 months in advance. rave was commodified about 10 years ago. WHAT??? :) cc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org