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2002-08-14 18:27Sean Horton RE: [idm] Are Lap Top performances really performances?
2002-08-14 18:39professor vast Re: [idm] Are Lap Top performances really performances?
2002-08-14 18:47Bryan Finoki RE: [idm] Are Lap Top performances really performances?
2002-08-14 18:58Sean Horton RE: [idm] Are Lap Top performances really performances?
2002-08-14 19:08professor vast Re: [idm] Are Lap Top performances really performances?
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2002-08-14 18:27Sean HortonPersonally if you're sitting up there staring a lap top (Phoenicia, Plaid, Richard Devine,
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Personally if you're sitting up there staring a lap top (Phoenicia, Plaid, Richard Devine, Kid 606, etc) it's not a live performance in my opinion (even if they are dancing around on stage with their shirt off). I have been pretty keen on what these acts were actually doing live and most have just been playing back sequences with out any real variation from the album. Either that our setting up a very long track and doing live effects processing/knob twiddling which I find to be quite boring (Autechre). Mouse on Mars, Mum, and Tortoise spend 3-4 hours doing a sound check, lug equipment all over the globe, improvise and communicate with both the crowd and each other on stage. That is a performance. I refuse to pay to see any more lap top "performances". I'll go home and listen to the "performance" in the comfort of my own home. To be honest I would rather go hear a DJ. At least they can keep a consistant groove. I am a lap top performer, so I shouldn't talk. I am however working with musicians on a live set. This, to me, is the necessary progression of electronic music in the live realm. Do any of you agree?
quoted 45 lines From: Bryan Finoki <finoki@lucasarts.com>>From: Bryan Finoki <finoki@lucasarts.com> >To: 'George Williamson' <georgewilliamson@btinternet.com>, idm list ><idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: RE: [idm] Who performed the best live act that you have >seen/remember/reccomend? >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:01:12 -0700 > >Could people maybe add a little *why* they were the best? > >I am trying to get at what risks, what feats, what real live tweaking >madness the musicians are accomplishing at their shows. To what extent are >they doign anything up there? > >I saw Phoenicia not long ago, who gave a pretty sick demonstration of >LOGIC. > >Chris Wessin, when with the oRB was pretty amazing live engineer. > >YOU MIGHT EVEN SAY THE BLUE MEN!!!! > >-----Original Message----- >From: George Williamson [mailto:georgewilliamson@btinternet.com] >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:58 AM >To: idm list >Subject: Re: [idm] Who performed the best live act that you have >seen/remember/reccomend? > > >Richard Devine on the Warp Magic bus tour > >or > >Broadcast in Edinburgh > >georgewilliamson > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2002-08-14 18:39professor vasti have to agree with this... laptops on stage are becoming lame... whenever i play live...
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i have to agree with this... laptops on stage are becoming lame... whenever i play live... i use my good ole tascam tape 4 track to run the backing tracks. i like using the knobs for each track to mix each individual track in and out and being able to pan things whenever i want without using the mouse creating the tunes is enough mouse/keyboard work for me. playing live shouldn't be a computer thing... what about the good old days when the cocteau twins would have their giant tape machine running the drum beats?? pv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Horton" <sean_horton@hotmail.com> To: <finoki@lucasarts.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:27 AM Subject: RE: [idm] Are Lap Top performances really performances?
quoted 3 lines Personally if you're sitting up there staring a lap top (Phoenicia, Plaid,> Personally if you're sitting up there staring a lap top (Phoenicia, Plaid, > Richard Devine, Kid 606, etc) it's not a live performance in my opinion > (even if they are dancing around on stage with their shirt off). I have
been
quoted 7 lines pretty keen on what these acts were actually doing live and most have just> pretty keen on what these acts were actually doing live and most have just > been playing back sequences with out any real variation from the album. > Either that our setting up a very long track and doing live effects > processing/knob twiddling which I find to be quite boring (Autechre). > > Mouse on Mars, Mum, and Tortoise spend 3-4 hours doing a sound check, lug > equipment all over the globe, improvise and communicate with both the
crowd
quoted 2 lines and each other on stage. That is a performance. I refuse to pay to see any> and each other on stage. That is a performance. I refuse to pay to see any > more lap top "performances". I'll go home and listen to the "performance"
in
quoted 19 lines the comfort of my own home. To be honest I would rather go hear a DJ. At> the comfort of my own home. To be honest I would rather go hear a DJ. At > least they can keep a consistant groove. > > I am a lap top performer, so I shouldn't talk. I am however working with > musicians on a live set. This, to me, is the necessary progression of > electronic music in the live realm. Do any of you agree? > > > >From: Bryan Finoki <finoki@lucasarts.com> > >To: 'George Williamson' <georgewilliamson@btinternet.com>, idm list > ><idm@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: RE: [idm] Who performed the best live act that you have > >seen/remember/reccomend? > >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:01:12 -0700 > > > >Could people maybe add a little *why* they were the best? > > > >I am trying to get at what risks, what feats, what real live tweaking > >madness the musicians are accomplishing at their shows. To what extent
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quoted 49 lines they doign anything up there?> >they doign anything up there? > > > >I saw Phoenicia not long ago, who gave a pretty sick demonstration of > >LOGIC. > > > >Chris Wessin, when with the oRB was pretty amazing live engineer. > > > >YOU MIGHT EVEN SAY THE BLUE MEN!!!! > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: George Williamson [mailto:georgewilliamson@btinternet.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:58 AM > >To: idm list > >Subject: Re: [idm] Who performed the best live act that you have > >seen/remember/reccomend? > > > > > >Richard Devine on the Warp Magic bus tour > > > >or > > > >Broadcast in Edinburgh > > > >georgewilliamson > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > ^(|_|)^ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-08-14 18:47Bryan FinokiDefinitely. Let us return to the interface of the real. Tortoise is amazing. I beleive the
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Definitely. Let us return to the interface of the real. Tortoise is amazing. I beleive the future of elctronic musical performances, which may fade in to installation art soon enough, (not the music) will be about finding new tools of interface, that will then pass through lap tops and other computer related clutter. New instruments, new venues, architecture as the interface, body, whatever. THis shit is being done, but the lap top is beginning to put to sleep even the lap top enthusiasts. The lap top accompaniment to Zakir Hussein and table beat science I thought worked. The show was amazing, sometimes it was incredible, and at other times the jam seemed too hard to be striving toward a jam, a latin jam or something else it was not, nor ever could be, but I loved it. But you are looking at an entire entourage up there, and the lap top is merely one element. Let the lap top drift into performance theater art interpretive gestural aids, it is wuickly dwindling down to a mere AID. -----Original Message----- From: professor vast [mailto:professorvast11@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:39 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Are Lap Top performances really performances? i have to agree with this... laptops on stage are becoming lame... whenever i play live... i use my good ole tascam tape 4 track to run the backing tracks. i like using the knobs for each track to mix each individual track in and out and being able to pan things whenever i want without using the mouse creating the tunes is enough mouse/keyboard work for me. playing live shouldn't be a computer thing... what about the good old days when the cocteau twins would have their giant tape machine running the drum beats?? pv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Horton" <sean_horton@hotmail.com> To: <finoki@lucasarts.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:27 AM Subject: RE: [idm] Are Lap Top performances really performances?
quoted 3 lines Personally if you're sitting up there staring a lap top (Phoenicia, Plaid,> Personally if you're sitting up there staring a lap top (Phoenicia, Plaid, > Richard Devine, Kid 606, etc) it's not a live performance in my opinion > (even if they are dancing around on stage with their shirt off). I have
been
quoted 7 lines pretty keen on what these acts were actually doing live and most have just> pretty keen on what these acts were actually doing live and most have just > been playing back sequences with out any real variation from the album. > Either that our setting up a very long track and doing live effects > processing/knob twiddling which I find to be quite boring (Autechre). > > Mouse on Mars, Mum, and Tortoise spend 3-4 hours doing a sound check, lug > equipment all over the globe, improvise and communicate with both the
crowd
quoted 2 lines and each other on stage. That is a performance. I refuse to pay to see any> and each other on stage. That is a performance. I refuse to pay to see any > more lap top "performances". I'll go home and listen to the "performance"
in
quoted 19 lines the comfort of my own home. To be honest I would rather go hear a DJ. At> the comfort of my own home. To be honest I would rather go hear a DJ. At > least they can keep a consistant groove. > > I am a lap top performer, so I shouldn't talk. I am however working with > musicians on a live set. This, to me, is the necessary progression of > electronic music in the live realm. Do any of you agree? > > > >From: Bryan Finoki <finoki@lucasarts.com> > >To: 'George Williamson' <georgewilliamson@btinternet.com>, idm list > ><idm@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: RE: [idm] Who performed the best live act that you have > >seen/remember/reccomend? > >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:01:12 -0700 > > > >Could people maybe add a little *why* they were the best? > > > >I am trying to get at what risks, what feats, what real live tweaking > >madness the musicians are accomplishing at their shows. To what extent
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quoted 49 lines they doign anything up there?> >they doign anything up there? > > > >I saw Phoenicia not long ago, who gave a pretty sick demonstration of > >LOGIC. > > > >Chris Wessin, when with the oRB was pretty amazing live engineer. > > > >YOU MIGHT EVEN SAY THE BLUE MEN!!!! > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: George Williamson [mailto:georgewilliamson@btinternet.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:58 AM > >To: idm list > >Subject: Re: [idm] Who performed the best live act that you have > >seen/remember/reccomend? > > > > > >Richard Devine on the Warp Magic bus tour > > > >or > > > >Broadcast in Edinburgh > > > >georgewilliamson > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > ^(|_|)^ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-08-14 18:58Sean HortonI agree that lap tops should be used and can even be the focal point of a performance, but
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I agree that lap tops should be used and can even be the focal point of a performance, but there needs to be other elements and ways of communicating musically. Tabla Beat Science is a perfect example. Ronnie Size (forgive me) is another, even though I can't stand his music. I just can't figure out why this type of fusion has taken off more. Locally (Seattle) it is becoming more of a norm.
quoted 153 lines From: Bryan Finoki <finoki@lucasarts.com>>From: Bryan Finoki <finoki@lucasarts.com> >To: 'professor vast' <professorvast11@hotmail.com>, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [idm] Are Lap Top performances really performances? >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:47:55 -0700 > >Definitely. > >Let us return to the interface of the real. Tortoise is amazing. > >I beleive the future of elctronic musical performances, which may fade in >to >installation art soon enough, (not the music) will be about finding new >tools of interface, that will then pass through lap tops and other computer >related clutter. New instruments, new venues, architecture as the >interface, body, whatever. THis shit is being done, but the lap top is >beginning to put to sleep even the lap top enthusiasts. > >The lap top accompaniment to Zakir Hussein and table beat science I thought >worked. The show was amazing, sometimes it was incredible, and at other >times the jam seemed too hard to be striving toward a jam, a latin jam or >something else it was not, nor ever could be, but I loved it. But you are >looking at an entire entourage up there, and the lap top is merely one >element. > >Let the lap top drift into performance theater art interpretive gestural >aids, it is wuickly dwindling down to a mere AID. > >-----Original Message----- >From: professor vast [mailto:professorvast11@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:39 AM >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Are Lap Top performances really performances? > > >i have to agree with this... laptops on stage are becoming lame... > >whenever i play live... i use my good ole tascam tape 4 track >to run the backing tracks. i like using the knobs for each >track to mix each individual track in and out and being >able to pan things whenever i want without using the mouse > >creating the tunes is enough mouse/keyboard work for me. >playing live shouldn't be a computer thing... > >what about the good old days when the cocteau twins would >have their giant tape machine running the drum beats?? > >pv > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sean Horton" <sean_horton@hotmail.com> >To: <finoki@lucasarts.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:27 AM >Subject: RE: [idm] Are Lap Top performances really performances? > > > > Personally if you're sitting up there staring a lap top (Phoenicia, >Plaid, > > Richard Devine, Kid 606, etc) it's not a live performance in my opinion > > (even if they are dancing around on stage with their shirt off). I have >been > > pretty keen on what these acts were actually doing live and most have >just > > been playing back sequences with out any real variation from the album. > > Either that our setting up a very long track and doing live effects > > processing/knob twiddling which I find to be quite boring (Autechre). > > > > Mouse on Mars, Mum, and Tortoise spend 3-4 hours doing a sound check, >lug > > equipment all over the globe, improvise and communicate with both the >crowd > > and each other on stage. That is a performance. I refuse to pay to see >any > > more lap top "performances". I'll go home and listen to the >"performance" >in > > the comfort of my own home. To be honest I would rather go hear a DJ. At > > least they can keep a consistant groove. > > > > I am a lap top performer, so I shouldn't talk. I am however working with > > musicians on a live set. This, to me, is the necessary progression of > > electronic music in the live realm. Do any of you agree? > > > > > > >From: Bryan Finoki <finoki@lucasarts.com> > > >To: 'George Williamson' <georgewilliamson@btinternet.com>, idm list > > ><idm@hyperreal.org> > > >Subject: RE: [idm] Who performed the best live act that you have > > >seen/remember/reccomend? > > >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:01:12 -0700 > > > > > >Could people maybe add a little *why* they were the best? > > > > > >I am trying to get at what risks, what feats, what real live tweaking > > >madness the musicians are accomplishing at their shows. To what extent >are > > >they doign anything up there? > > > > > >I saw Phoenicia not long ago, who gave a pretty sick demonstration of > > >LOGIC. > > > > > >Chris Wessin, when with the oRB was pretty amazing live engineer. > > > > > >YOU MIGHT EVEN SAY THE BLUE MEN!!!! > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: George Williamson [mailto:georgewilliamson@btinternet.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:58 AM > > >To: idm list > > >Subject: Re: [idm] Who performed the best live act that you have > > >seen/remember/reccomend? > > > > > > > > >Richard Devine on the Warp Magic bus tour > > > > > >or > > > > > >Broadcast in Edinburgh > > > > > >georgewilliamson > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > ^(|_|)^ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2002-08-14 19:08professor vastthe other good benefit of using the tape 4 track is that it gives the pc created tunes a s
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the other good benefit of using the tape 4 track is that it gives the pc created tunes a softer analog vibe. i record the tunes on to the 4 track from the computer. so a certain digital brightness is taken away. i like that. it softens it up a bit giving the beats a bit more bottomness. not so harsh high end. it is a tool that's definitely worthwhile, but just using the laptop onstage is nothing but lipsyncing without the singing. i could go to the guy's house and have him turn on his laptop. it's nothing more than a computer running a program. that's NOT live performance. and yea...coming from a musician background, i do have issues with that as well. i've been a guitarist for over 18 years. i integrate the technology into my musical self, not let it take over. i use the technology as a tool. shouldn't be the other way around. db ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Finoki" <finoki@lucasarts.com> To: "'professor vast'" <professorvast11@hotmail.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:47 AM Subject: RE: [idm] Are Lap Top performances really performances?
quoted 5 lines Definitely.> Definitely. > > Let us return to the interface of the real. Tortoise is amazing. > > I beleive the future of elctronic musical performances, which may fade in
to
quoted 2 lines installation art soon enough, (not the music) will be about finding new> installation art soon enough, (not the music) will be about finding new > tools of interface, that will then pass through lap tops and other
computer
quoted 5 lines related clutter. New instruments, new venues, architecture as the> related clutter. New instruments, new venues, architecture as the > interface, body, whatever. THis shit is being done, but the lap top is > beginning to put to sleep even the lap top enthusiasts. > > The lap top accompaniment to Zakir Hussein and table beat science I
thought
quoted 39 lines worked. The show was amazing, sometimes it was incredible, and at other> worked. The show was amazing, sometimes it was incredible, and at other > times the jam seemed too hard to be striving toward a jam, a latin jam or > something else it was not, nor ever could be, but I loved it. But you are > looking at an entire entourage up there, and the lap top is merely one > element. > > Let the lap top drift into performance theater art interpretive gestural > aids, it is wuickly dwindling down to a mere AID. > > -----Original Message----- > From: professor vast [mailto:professorvast11@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:39 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Are Lap Top performances really performances? > > > i have to agree with this... laptops on stage are becoming lame... > > whenever i play live... i use my good ole tascam tape 4 track > to run the backing tracks. i like using the knobs for each > track to mix each individual track in and out and being > able to pan things whenever i want without using the mouse > > creating the tunes is enough mouse/keyboard work for me. > playing live shouldn't be a computer thing... > > what about the good old days when the cocteau twins would > have their giant tape machine running the drum beats?? > > pv > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sean Horton" <sean_horton@hotmail.com> > To: <finoki@lucasarts.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:27 AM > Subject: RE: [idm] Are Lap Top performances really performances? > > > > Personally if you're sitting up there staring a lap top (Phoenicia,
Plaid,
quoted 4 lines Richard Devine, Kid 606, etc) it's not a live performance in my opinion> > Richard Devine, Kid 606, etc) it's not a live performance in my opinion > > (even if they are dancing around on stage with their shirt off). I have > been > > pretty keen on what these acts were actually doing live and most have
just
quoted 5 lines been playing back sequences with out any real variation from the album.> > been playing back sequences with out any real variation from the album. > > Either that our setting up a very long track and doing live effects > > processing/knob twiddling which I find to be quite boring (Autechre). > > > > Mouse on Mars, Mum, and Tortoise spend 3-4 hours doing a sound check,
lug
quoted 3 lines equipment all over the globe, improvise and communicate with both the> > equipment all over the globe, improvise and communicate with both the > crowd > > and each other on stage. That is a performance. I refuse to pay to see
any
quoted 1 line more lap top "performances". I'll go home and listen to the> > more lap top "performances". I'll go home and listen to the
"performance"
quoted 75 lines in> in > > the comfort of my own home. To be honest I would rather go hear a DJ. At > > least they can keep a consistant groove. > > > > I am a lap top performer, so I shouldn't talk. I am however working with > > musicians on a live set. This, to me, is the necessary progression of > > electronic music in the live realm. Do any of you agree? > > > > > > >From: Bryan Finoki <finoki@lucasarts.com> > > >To: 'George Williamson' <georgewilliamson@btinternet.com>, idm list > > ><idm@hyperreal.org> > > >Subject: RE: [idm] Who performed the best live act that you have > > >seen/remember/reccomend? > > >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:01:12 -0700 > > > > > >Could people maybe add a little *why* they were the best? > > > > > >I am trying to get at what risks, what feats, what real live tweaking > > >madness the musicians are accomplishing at their shows. To what extent > are > > >they doign anything up there? > > > > > >I saw Phoenicia not long ago, who gave a pretty sick demonstration of > > >LOGIC. > > > > > >Chris Wessin, when with the oRB was pretty amazing live engineer. > > > > > >YOU MIGHT EVEN SAY THE BLUE MEN!!!! > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: George Williamson [mailto:georgewilliamson@btinternet.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:58 AM > > >To: idm list > > >Subject: Re: [idm] Who performed the best live act that you have > > >seen/remember/reccomend? > > > > > > > > >Richard Devine on the Warp Magic bus tour > > > > > >or > > > > > >Broadcast in Edinburgh > > > > > >georgewilliamson > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > ^(|_|)^ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-08-14 22:12LOWONICE13@aol.comanyone see the Maher Shalal Hash Baz performance "blues de jour" for le weekend a while ba
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anyone see the Maher Shalal Hash Baz performance "blues de jour" for le weekend a while back? I find it interesting that he used laptops in the show, mainly because his music is starange fragile instrumental and vocal work, but he (Tori Kudo) says he incorporated the laptop as a means of working against a closed system and had microphones in the audience and altered their sounds and projected them back to the audience, interesting, similar to what Achim Wollscheid did in Chicago (tried to do, the system didn't work) a while back. A fine artist, wish I could see him live... nick In a message dated 8/14/02 1:49:46 PM Central Daylight Time, finoki@lucasarts.com writes:
quoted 5 lines Definitely.> Definitely. > > Let us return to the interface of the real. Tortoise is amazing. > > I beleive the future of elctronic musical performances, which may fade in
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quoted 15 lines installation art soon enough, (not the music) will be about finding new> installation art soon enough, (not the music) will be about finding new > tools of interface, that will then pass through lap tops and other computer > related clutter. New instruments, new venues, architecture as the > interface, body, whatever. THis shit is being done, but the lap top is > beginning to put to sleep even the lap top enthusiasts. > > The lap top accompaniment to Zakir Hussein and table beat science I thought > worked. The show was amazing, sometimes it was incredible, and at other > times the jam seemed too hard to be striving toward a jam, a latin jam or > something else it was not, nor ever could be, but I loved it. But you are > looking at an entire entourage up there, and the lap top is merely one > element. > > Let the lap top drift into performance theater art interpretive gestural > aids, it is wuickly dwindling down to a mere AID
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2002-08-15 06:24LOWONICE13@aol.comanyone see the Maher Shalal Hash Baz performance "blues de jour" for le weekend a while ba
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anyone see the Maher Shalal Hash Baz performance "blues de jour" for le weekend a while back? I find it interesting that he used laptops in the show, mainly because his music is starange fragile instrumental and vocal work, but he (Tori Kudo) says he incorporated the laptop as a means of working against a closed system and had microphones in the audience and altered their sounds and projected them back to the audience, interesting, similar to what Achim Wollscheid did in Chicago (tried to do, the system didn't work) a while back. A fine artist, wish I could see him live... nick --------------------------------- Raoul's Left Ear http://www.geocities.com/raoulsleftear/Intro.html ----------------------------------
2002-08-15 17:11shift8i've been saying for a while that laptop rock should visualize what the artist does via s
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i've been saying for a while that laptop rock should visualize what the artist does via s video outs into projectors (ala Cold Cut @ bimbos 365 3 years ago). i know everyone has these 'trade secret' mentalities when it comes to sonic design, but fuck that. did jimmy hide the guitar? however you mod it, it's just an insturment. -shift8 http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-15 18:50adam@damek.orgJust something to think about... ---------------------------------------------------------
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2002-08-15 22:21adrian jonssoni don't really see your point. a laptop can give you great control over the music, while t
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i don't really see your point. a laptop can give you great control over the music, while tape seems very static to me. /adrian (cellular) http://cellmusic.cjb.net
quoted 8 lines i record the tunes on to the 4 track from the computer. so a certain>i record the tunes on to the 4 track from the computer. so a certain >digital brightness is taken away. i like that. it softens it up a bit >giving the beats a bit more bottomness. not so harsh high end. > >it is a tool that's definitely worthwhile, but just using the laptop >onstage is nothing but lipsyncing without the singing. i could >go to the guy's house and have him turn on his laptop. it's nothing >more than a computer running a program. that's NOT live performance.
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2002-08-15 22:36professor vasti can see where you're coming from... i just want more organic instrumental integration wi
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i can see where you're coming from... i just want more organic instrumental integration with idm. it's not like i listen to tons of idm all the time... it's there in a lot of the music i do listen to. bits and pieces. and i agree... you can control a lot... but you can also automate all that... that's what i do... i could sit there and muck about with all the filter sweeps and volume/pan automation and all that but it's more fun with the knobs. there's a more human element to panning something with yer fingers than automated. of course there's still automation because i also like precisionperfect automation of sounds... i'm sorta in the middle... i love what technology does for me... but i also am an old school guitar player who values a musician's lifeforce coming thru in the performance. that's why i've integrated both things in my live performances. i prefer having both. though i go see dj stuff more than bands... because rock bands don't have the cosmic power that bands like led zeppelin had... but when you heard hard wicked drum and bass blasting at you...that same sort of anarchic music blasting feeling comes thru again. all my musical inclinations coexist constantly so it's hard for me to pin down any extreme opinion on this sorta thing. but it's fun to try and get at the reasons and ideas... db ----- Original Message ----- From: "adrian jonsson" <adrian.jonsson@telia.com>
quoted 21 lines i don't really see your point. a laptop can give you great control over> i don't really see your point. a laptop can give you great control over > the music, while tape seems very static to me. > > /adrian (cellular) > http://cellmusic.cjb.net > > >i record the tunes on to the 4 track from the computer. so a certain > >digital brightness is taken away. i like that. it softens it up a bit > >giving the beats a bit more bottomness. not so harsh high end. > > > >it is a tool that's definitely worthwhile, but just using the laptop > >onstage is nothing but lipsyncing without the singing. i could > >go to the guy's house and have him turn on his laptop. it's nothing > >more than a computer running a program. that's NOT live performance. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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