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2002-08-12 22:28robert stanton [idm] re: give me a fucking break, leave scott alone
└─ 2002-08-12 23:13Thomas Millar [idm] Give me a fucking break etcetera.
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2002-08-12 22:28robert stanton>last time i checked, liberalism hasn't a flying fig to do with what >you're >talking abou
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quoted 2 lines last time i checked, liberalism hasn't a flying fig to do with what >you're>last time i checked, liberalism hasn't a flying fig to do with what >you're >talking about-but capitalism vs. socialism does.
I'd suggest actually paying attention to what I had been talking about, and if you're confused, doing a general web-search for definitions of the terms or concepts. As I had said many times before, neoliberalism operates not only as an economic system but as a political and cultural system as well. Neoliberalism's core values are that consumerism, the market, and class inequality are natural and often benevolent, whereas political activity, civic values, and antimarket activities tend to be marginalized or denounced. Thus, neoliberalism works best when there is formal electoral democracy, but when the population is diverted from the information, access, and public forums necessary for meaningful participation in decision making.
quoted 2 lines if you're so vexed by capitalism then go live in china and ride a >bike,>if you're so vexed by capitalism then go live in china and ride a >bike, >eat hay and not own any of the music you make.
Please. Have you ever studied anything about China or been there? Obviously not, judging by the crude comments you made. In terms of its economy and politics, it's just as poor a country, in the participatory sense, as the US. So I would have no reason to go there on terms of ideological values.
quoted 4 lines and caring? wake up man, do YOU care? what do YOU do to assuage the>and caring? wake up man, do YOU care? what do YOU do to assuage the >bereavment of the world? next time i take a big capitalist style shit >and >it hurts, you better be there to prep-H my suffering butthole. or >you >shouldn't mind everyone's beezwax, eh?
Yeah, I care. I'm involved with several activist committees as well as my local politics. This is the best I can do to attempt to help people. If you don't notice a big difference, it's because people (like you seem to be) are unaware or are indifferent to current situations, so they don't form mass movements or protest to have change. Somehow, the idea that this is "the best of all possible worlds" got ingrained into most people's heads. Also, big business and interest groups have lobbies working hard for their interests, whereas the citizen doesn't. As far as helping you goes, I live and work in a specific part of the country, so I am unable to be concerned with your day-to-day problems. However, I would argue that many of the reforms I work towards would be beneficial to you and others. Since you seem to be complaining that I've never directly "helped" you, have you ever heard of helping yourself? Of taking action by yourself and not letting others do all the work for you? If you think you see problems that need resolving, and can't do it on your own, why don't you join a group on your own and actually do something?
quoted 1 line who the hell do you think you are to say that scott is naive?>who the hell do you think you are to say that scott is naive?
I have the ability to say that Scott Herren is naive for not knowing what industries his music is now supporting. If he does know all the things that Foot Locker commercial stands for, and he just doesn't care, then I'd say he's a fool.
quoted 1 line have you heard his fucking records?>have you heard his fucking records?
Yes. But I'm unaware of how this would represent either his naivete or ignorance as to what was being discussed...
quoted 2 lines who's life is scott ending by letting some goon edit his track to shit >and>who's life is scott ending by letting some goon edit his track to shit >and >bury it behind some fucking rent-a-homie hyping up sports and >sonsense?
Well, maybe he allowed Foot Locker, which deals in Nike products, to buy more things from Nike, who in turn has their products made from workers in countries where there are no environmental or human rights standards. Perhaps one of those workers will die from maltreatment or respitory problems. I'm not trying to get sympathy here - you asked who's life such a commercial could end, and I'm attempting to answer in the most obvious and direct way.
quoted 2 lines get a grip, man, he's trying to get a fucking leg up, and giving you >music>get a grip, man, he's trying to get a fucking leg up, and giving you >music >to ponder the fuck out of and try to figure out how he did it.
Not through a commercial he isn't.
quoted 3 lines in conclusion, if you didn't spend so much time flapping your lips, >and>in conclusion, if you didn't spend so much time flapping your lips, >and >spent more time on your tracks and your musical skills, then you >would be >getting paid too.
Yes...I hate Scott Herren because the music I try to make is so horrible and pathetic compared to his. This is exactly the same reasoning I use to explain why I'm not fond of Michael Eisner and Rupert Murdoch - because they have so much more money than me! Your assumptions here are quite wrong - I could honestly care less about money or profit. I'm more concerned with the ideological issues behind actions.
quoted 1 line and buy the new Savath+Savalas ep, it's the shit.>and buy the new Savath+Savalas ep, it's the shit.
Yeah. Buy, buy, buy, buy. It seems like commercialism and neoliberalism have influenced you well.
quoted 1 line long live capitalism! that's right, bitches. i mean it.>long live capitalism! that's right, bitches. i mean it.
The United States isn't even true capitalism. In true capitalism, businesses wouldn't have the ability to buy the government, amongst other things. What you're living in right now is some mutant form of that economic system. I'd also really advise you to do a good, long study of the history of capitalism in the US and its effects on politics and society before you honestly proclaim your support of it. Perhaps then you'll see the problems with things as they stand now, and agree that anyone who supports such institutions is either naive or ignorant. Thanks for your expletive-filled post. It was quite amusing. Robert _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-12 23:13Thomas Millaron 8/12/02 6:28 PM, robert stanton at industrialrobot@hotmail.com wrote: > A long and dull
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on 8/12/02 6:28 PM, robert stanton at industrialrobot@hotmail.com wrote:
quoted 2 lines A long and dull message in which he made himself look silly> A long and dull message in which he made himself look silly > by responding to an obvious troll.
Robert, have you accepted Jesus as your personal savior? Because I think I'm going to start preaching on the list, too. It's the cool thing to do and people like it. Tom --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org