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2002-07-29 18:48[idm] Vocal Club Music
└─ 2002-07-29 23:14Matthew Ross Davis Re: [idm] Vocal Club Music
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2002-07-29 18:48Mediadrome@aol.comIs there a trend in producers to do more vocal tracks? It's like an attempt to join techno
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Is there a trend in producers to do more vocal tracks? It's like an attempt to join techno and trance sounds with song forms. It reminds me of the classic criticism of opera: The words and the song form slow down the action of the drama. I get the same feeling with a lot of vocal club music. The vocal part slows down the energy of the trance/techno sounds. Techno and trance have a very different feeling than house and one of the big things that make it different is the nonreliance on the voice and vocal forms. Is there a commercial reason for these vocal tracks? Like you have a better chance to break into the top 40 with a vocal track? mediadrome --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-07-29 23:14Matthew Ross DavisMediadrome@aol.com(Mediadrome@aol.com)@Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 02:48:11PM -0400: > It reminds
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Mediadrome@aol.com(Mediadrome@aol.com)@Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 02:48:11PM -0400:
quoted 2 lines It reminds me of the classic criticism of opera: The words and the song form> It reminds me of the classic criticism of opera: The words and the song form > slow down the action of the drama.
I've never heard that criticism of opera. You must not be listening to the right operas. m --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-07-29 19:32RichardI must admit, although I understand where you're 'coming from'.... I grew up listening to
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I must admit, although I understand where you're 'coming from'.... I grew up listening to techno, then progressed into the myriad genres I listen to today, but I have to disgree with your statement of 'non-reliance on the voice and vocal forms'.. Techno (and a lot of early trance) is littered with samples, little vocal snippets, cut, created into the melody of the track... Heck, if I hadn'tve listened to techno, I would have missed a lot of classic sci-fi flicks. I think the modern use of vocals as the main point of a track is both commercial and good in some ways. I have an excellent white label of Olive's 'You're not alone' which always goes down a storm, and even gets people dancing, because a: they know the lyrics, and b: it's a bangin trance choon, for want of a better description. I think that creative use of vocals can elevate a track. I personally never write to include lyrics, but I have some friends who are able to put words to the track, so I can sample them, and use at my discretion. House definitely has vocal roots. But I'm a progressive lad, and vocals are usually confined to abstract moans and utterations, which lift a track immensely. One of my current favourites is Pob/Boyd - 'Luna'. On Platipus records. Excellent vocals, but no words. Especially loving the 'Rouge' mix.... Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mediadrome@aol.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:48 PM Subject: [idm] Vocal Club Music
quoted 5 lines Is there a trend in producers to do more vocal tracks?> Is there a trend in producers to do more vocal tracks? > > It's like an attempt to join techno and trance sounds with song forms. > > It reminds me of the classic criticism of opera: The words and the song
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quoted 3 lines slow down the action of the drama.> slow down the action of the drama. > > I get the same feeling with a lot of vocal club music. The vocal part
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quoted 4 lines down the energy of the trance/techno sounds.> down the energy of the trance/techno sounds. > > Techno and trance have a very different feeling than house and one of the > big things that make it different is the nonreliance on the voice and
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quoted 3 lines forms.> forms. > > Is there a commercial reason for these vocal tracks? Like you have a
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quoted 8 lines chance to break into the top 40 with a vocal track?> chance to break into the top 40 with a vocal track? > > mediadrome > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-07-29 20:39Brian RedfernJuan Atkins used to have vocals on some of his techno tracks, kind of a singing/rapping go
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Juan Atkins used to have vocals on some of his techno tracks, kind of a singing/rapping going on. Cheesy vocals just to make a tune "top 40" are most likely a mistake though, a person is better off releasing a remix of a really poplular vocalist, like doing a techno remix of janet jackson. On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Richard wrote:
quoted 65 lines I must admit, although I understand where you're 'coming from'.... I grew> I must admit, although I understand where you're 'coming from'.... I grew > up listening to techno, then progressed into the myriad genres I listen to > today, but I have to disgree with your statement of 'non-reliance on the > voice and vocal forms'.. Techno (and a lot of early trance) is littered > with samples, little vocal snippets, cut, created into the melody of the > track... Heck, if I hadn'tve listened to techno, I would have missed a lot > of classic sci-fi flicks. I think the modern use of vocals as the main > point of a track is both commercial and good in some ways. I have an > excellent white label of Olive's 'You're not alone' which always goes down a > storm, and even gets people dancing, because a: they know the lyrics, and b: > it's a bangin trance choon, for want of a better description. I think that > creative use of vocals can elevate a track. I personally never write to > include lyrics, but I have some friends who are able to put words to the > track, so I can sample them, and use at my discretion. > > House definitely has vocal roots. But I'm a progressive lad, and vocals are > usually confined to abstract moans and utterations, which lift a track > immensely. One of my current favourites is Pob/Boyd - 'Luna'. On Platipus > records. Excellent vocals, but no words. Especially loving the 'Rouge' > mix.... > > Rich > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Mediadrome@aol.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:48 PM > Subject: [idm] Vocal Club Music > > > > Is there a trend in producers to do more vocal tracks? > > > > It's like an attempt to join techno and trance sounds with song forms. > > > > It reminds me of the classic criticism of opera: The words and the song > form > > slow down the action of the drama. > > > > I get the same feeling with a lot of vocal club music. The vocal part > slows > > down the energy of the trance/techno sounds. > > > > Techno and trance have a very different feeling than house and one of the > > big things that make it different is the nonreliance on the voice and > vocal > > forms. > > > > Is there a commercial reason for these vocal tracks? Like you have a > better > > chance to break into the top 40 with a vocal track? > > > > mediadrome > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2002-07-29 20:25Mediadrome@aol.comIn a message dated 7/29/02 12:34:30 PM, arkive@btopenworld.com writes: << I must admit, al
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In a message dated 7/29/02 12:34:30 PM, arkive@btopenworld.com writes: << I must admit, although I understand where you're 'coming from'.... I grew up listening to techno, then progressed into the myriad genres I listen to today, but I have to disgree with your statement of 'non-reliance on the voice and vocal forms'.. Techno (and a lot of early trance) is littered with samples, little vocal snippets, cut, created into the melody of the track... Heck >> I'm not talking about snipets, like "ya baby", or "take me higher". I'm talking about a song form like intro, refrain and chorus kinda stuff. Where the form of the track is determined by refrain and chorus repetitions- something that you usually don't find in techno - and I know there are exceptions. I'm just hearing more and more vocal tracks that are trying to blend techno and trance sounds with a vocal track. mediadrome --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org