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this past january a friend gave me a burned copy of an album called "iii" (as in "three") by the idm group "download". the album's probably about 40 minutes long-mostly ambient with some drums, and a really organic sample of a woman's voice at one point repeating "who was i?" as it receeds out of hearing i heard one guy from skinny puppy was in the group-and that the name of the group and the album were designed so that the tracks could not be easily acquired over p2p networks-but my friend presented the whole thing on a cdr to me as some kind of achievement. anyone know anything about this group, who they are, etc etc? i think they are from north america thanks ===== http://www.paralexia.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 07:41 PM 7/11/2002 -0700, michael goodfellow wrote:

quoted 14 lines this past january a friend gave me a burned copy of an

>this past january a friend gave me a burned copy of an >album called "iii" (as in "three") by the idm group >"download". > >the album's probably about 40 minutes long-mostly >ambient with some drums, and a really organic sample >of a woman's voice at one point repeating "who was i?" >as it receeds out of hearing > >i heard one guy from skinny puppy was in the group-and >that the name of the group and the album were designed >so that the tracks could not be easily acquired over >p2p networks-but my friend presented the whole thing >on a cdr to me as some kind of achievement.

Yeah, it's cevin key's side project. 3 albums, sort of industrially and tending more towards IDM as they progressed. They're not really an IDM group, per se, and the album you're speaking of is actually quite old. A quick search on amazon.com shows the other albums and the release date for iii is 1997 -- hardly anything "tech" enough to warrant anything difficult for copiers. Not to mention the lack of p2p networks back then.... It may be difficult to get over p2p networks because it's 5 yrs old, though... Anyway, basically a more electronicy industrial side project for some skinny puppy people with Mark Spybey on the first two albums. I found iii a little lacking, personally, as it attempted to be "idm" and ended up being cheese. However, they really had a good thing going on the album "the eyes of stanley pain." Grindy, noisey, and very solid, with spybey doing some wonderful whispery screamy lyrics that blend with the music SO well. Genesis P. Orridge is on it in a few spots, but meh, skip those tracks. That and the "sidewinder" EP which accompanies it are probably an example of some of the best industrial-IDM stuff around, without being too cliche or boring (like most industrial music). I normally hate industrial music because it's basically the same 3 bands that just spin off side projects, but download's middle album there is quality. Furnace is good but a little too "loose" for most tastes, and iii and later are weak IMO. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines However, they really had a good thing going on the album "the eyes of

> However, they really had a good thing going on the album "the eyes of > stanley pain." Grindy, noisey, and very solid, with spybey doing some > wonderful whispery screamy lyrics that blend with the music SO > well.

hear hear. i didn't think much of this album when i first heard it, but it grows on you. the other download album i've heard didn't impress at all. __michal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 11/07/02 22:56, EggyToast said in living color:

quoted 4 lines I normally hate industrial music because it's basically the same 3 bands

> I normally hate industrial music because it's basically the same 3 bands > that just spin off side projects, but download's middle album there is > quality. Furnace is good but a little too "loose" for most tastes, and iii > and later are weak IMO.

"later"? What are you referring to? I agree with most of what you wrote. (A nuance, maybe...: I really hated "iii" when I first got it. But on further listening sessions, I had to admit that I found redeeming qualities to parts of the album. Especially a track whose title involves electric insects or something of that ilk. It's been a while...) I'd just like to add a good word for "Charlie's Family" (a soundtrack album), which I think is really good. I think it was done before "iii". Apparently the film it's associated with is pretty weak (I haven't seen it), but I swear the music is very fine. In the same vein as "The Eyes...", but even better IMO. I haven't listened to the singles nor "plateau" (I think that's another project, though... How does that one sound?) g. -- Guillaume Grenier - gollum@videotron.ca in space there is no north in space there is no south in space there is no east in space there is no west --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 11:09 PM 7/11/02 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 1 line "later"? What are you referring to?

>"later"? What are you referring to?

"Effector," I would assume.

quoted 2 lines I'd just like to add a good word for "Charlie's Family" (a soundtrack

>I'd just like to add a good word for "Charlie's Family" (a soundtrack >album), which I think is really good. I think it was done before "iii".

"Charlie's Family" was recorded sometime around the same time as "Furnace." There was a recent release of the full version of "Puppy Gristle" (released as a Skinny Puppy CD ironically), which includes much of the uneditted "Charlie's Family" tracks.

quoted 1 line Apparently the film it's associated with is pretty weak (I haven't seen it),

>Apparently the film it's associated with is pretty weak (I haven't seen it),

It's a trashy horror film, just depends on whether or not you like that sort of thing. I don't think it's officially been released, though, only screened a couple times.

quoted 2 lines I haven't listened to the singles nor "plateau" (I think that's anothe

>I haven't listened to the singles nor "plateau" (I think that's another >project, though... How does that one sound?)

platEAU basically sounds like "III" does. "Music for Grassbars" is the name of the album if that gives you any ideas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 8 lines On 11/07/02 22:56, EggyToast said in living color:

>On 11/07/02 22:56, EggyToast said in living color: > >> I normally hate industrial music because it's basically the same 3 bands >> that just spin off side projects, but download's middle album there is >> quality. Furnace is good but a little too "loose" for most tastes, and iii >> and later are weak IMO. > >"later"? What are you referring to?

There have been 3 albums since then - Effector, Inception, and III Steps Forward.

quoted 2 lines I haven't listened to the singles nor "plateau" (I think that's anothe

>I haven't listened to the singles nor "plateau" (I think that's another >project, though... How does that one sound?)

Plateau is really good...its Phil Western's project with Key helping out. I think just about every track is named after some super high-potent strain of marijuana, if that tells you where they are coming from :) Also I highly recommend Phil Western's last solo album 'Dark Features' -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Weeeellll, you really can't judge this music by the posers, check out the roots of he music, with Psychic TV or Foetus, or even Big Black, lots of good old stuff. On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Guillaume Grenier wrote:

quoted 38 lines On 11/07/02 22:56, EggyToast said in living color:

> On 11/07/02 22:56, EggyToast said in living color: > > > I normally hate industrial music because it's basically the same 3 bands > > that just spin off side projects, but download's middle album there is > > quality. Furnace is good but a little too "loose" for most tastes, and iii > > and later are weak IMO. > > "later"? What are you referring to? > > I agree with most of what you wrote. (A nuance, maybe...: I really hated > "iii" when I first got it. But on further listening sessions, I had to admit > that I found redeeming qualities to parts of the album. Especially a track > whose title involves electric insects or something of that ilk. It's been a > while...) > > I'd just like to add a good word for "Charlie's Family" (a soundtrack > album), which I think is really good. I think it was done before "iii". > Apparently the film it's associated with is pretty weak (I haven't seen it), > but I swear the music is very fine. In the same vein as "The Eyes...", but > even better IMO. > > I haven't listened to the singles nor "plateau" (I think that's another > project, though... How does that one sound?) > > g. > > -- > Guillaume Grenier - gollum@videotron.ca > > in space there is no north in space there is no south > in space there is no east in space there is no west > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 4 lines I normally hate industrial music because it's basically the same 3

>I normally hate industrial music because it's basically the same 3 >bands that just spin off side projects, but download's middle album >there is quality. Furnace is good but a little too "loose" for most >tastes, and iii and later are weak IMO.

Have you heard the new release 'III Steps Forward'? Possibly the best thing they have done yet. And the last album 'Effector' was quite dope as well... -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 20 lines this past january a friend gave me a burned copy of an

>this past january a friend gave me a burned copy of an >album called "iii" (as in "three") by the idm group >"download". > >the album's probably about 40 minutes long-mostly >ambient with some drums, and a really organic sample >of a woman's voice at one point repeating "who was i?" >as it receeds out of hearing > >i heard one guy from skinny puppy was in the group-and >that the name of the group and the album were designed >so that the tracks could not be easily acquired over >p2p networks-but my friend presented the whole thing >on a cdr to me as some kind of achievement. > >anyone know anything about this group, who they are, >etc etc? >i think they are from north america > >thanks

Download is the post-Skinny Puppy project of cEvin Key. They have several albums and ep's out all of which are absolutely excellent IMO. I don't know what he is talking about about the p2p stuff...they are regular audio cd's just like everything else...no harder to get than any other cd. more info here: http://www.subconsciousstudios.com/ they are from Canada. -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 09:41 PM 7/11/2002, michael goodfellow wrote:

quoted 3 lines this past january a friend gave me a burned copy of an

>this past january a friend gave me a burned copy of an >album called "iii" (as in "three") by the idm group >"download".

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I see several posts about this already, but Download has to be the most underrated electronica groups out there, so I feel the need to expound on its greatness. The incarnation of Download was a Skinny Puppy track on Last Rights called, appropriately enough, "Download." In 1995 cEvin and philth (phil western) teamed up with Mark Spybey (Dead Voices on Air, which is a hell of a lot closer to 'ambient with some drums' than Download is) to be the central elements of Download, including lots of guests like Genesis P'Orridge (*shudder*... it's rumored that the only reason he gets to stick around is that he has all the drugs) and Ohgr, etc. The early Download sound was really nothing like III, it grew more out of the Skinny Puppy sound. But with the influence of ambient folks like philth and spybey, it turned into the awesome force it is now. If you like III, pick up Effector and DO NOT i repeat DO NOT miss out on part 3 of Subconscious Studios "From the Vault..." series called III Steps Forward. It is unquestionably my favorite one so far; there are only 1000 copies and I have #702, so they're bound to be gone soon. A lot of SP fans got turned off of Download when III came out precisely because it has somewhat of a softer edge than the previous ones (have a listen to Charlie's Family or Furnace or The Eyes of Stanley Pain and you'll see what I'm talking about). Also, it's likely that you'll dig the more techno project of cEvin's as well, called Plateau. Music From Grass Bars is awesome, and they will be #4 in the From the Vault series... if III Steps Forward is any indication of the quality of this series, the new Plateau promises to be hella cool. Unfortunately, III Steps Forward was philth's last work with cEvin on Download (apparently). Oh, and please for the love of pete don't call Download IDM. m craque http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line I see several posts about this already, but Download has

>I see several posts about this already, but Download has

to be the most

quoted 1 line underrated electronica groups out there, so I feel the need

>underrated electronica groups out there, so I feel the need

to expound on

quoted 1 line its greatness.

>its greatness.

Expound away!! Download rocks.

quoted 1 line Oh, and please for the love of pete don't call Download

>Oh, and please for the love of pete don't call Download

IDM. Why not? I think they pretty much embody IDM...hell they practically invented it. When they started there was really no such thing as IDM per se, but I definitely think releases like III and Effector and the new one fit in to IDM pretty well. -omz http://www.hotweird.com/loaf --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 06:23 AM 7/13/2002 +0000, you wrote:

quoted 6 lines Oh, and please for the love of pete don't call Download

>> >Oh, and please for the love of pete don't call Download >>IDM. > >Do we have to call it "intelligent industrial"? >much of aphex twin's work, for example, is probably more industrial than >Download.

We could call it "what industrial artists do when they want to create different music but don't want to alienate fans because they like being idolized?" hehe derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Im very curious to see what the new Skinny Puppy album is going to sound like. With Otto Von Schriach by thier side in the studio it will be interesting at the least. Wether it will be good or bad we will have to wait and see until 2003. Wonder if Otto will tour with them!?!?! Jeremy Bible www.experimediacommunications.com Ebola 3 <andylists@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 3 lines Oh, and please for the love of pete don't call Download

> >Oh, and please for the love of pete don't call Download >IDM. >

Do we have to call it "intelligent industrial"? much of aphex twin's work, for example, is probably more industrial than Download. ebola np: botch _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org Jeremy Bible www.experimediacommunications.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes

i'd just call it more experimental. but then again, industrial was started as an avant-garde genre. so it could just be called industrial. josh NXO --- "when all soldiers lay their weapons down, or when all kings and queens relinquish their crowns, there will be sorrow no more." --Bad Religion On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 06:23:33 Ebola 3 wrote:

quoted 22 lines Oh, and please for the love of pete don't call Download

> >> >Oh, and please for the love of pete don't call Download >>IDM. >> > >Do we have to call it "intelligent industrial"? >much of aphex twin's work, for example, is probably more industrial than >Download. > >ebola >np: botch > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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I went a little far by saying much. :) I'd say the work that was taken for the Nine Inch Nails EP, "further down the spiral", ventolin, and the associated remix are pretty industrial. The label industrial could also apply to some of AFX's more abbrasive drill 'n' bass works. As for labeling them techno, some of the "techno has a very precise definition and is not the same as 'electronica'" people will get mad. I'd say you can call download what you want; i'll do the same. if you don't mind me asking, are you one of the "industrial started with Throbbing Gristle and died with the demise of Industrial Records" people? :) ebola np: das ich

quoted 19 lines From: "andrij kopytko." <andrij@drij.org>

>From: "andrij kopytko." <andrij@drij.org> >To: "Ebola 3" <andylists@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: [idm] Download == teh r0x >Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 03:08:47 -0400 > >At 06:23 AM 7/13/02 +0000, you wrote: >>Do we have to call it "intelligent industrial"? >>much of aphex twin's work, for example, is probably more industrial than >>Download. > >Just out of curiousity, which aphex twin records are you referring to? > >For the record, I would call Download "techno." That way no one's offended >(including me, 'cos I don't think it's "IDM" or "industrial"). > >-- >andrij. > >

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quoted 3 lines Actually I just think "electronica" is a dumb word.

> >Actually I just think "electronica" is a dumb word. >

Everyone does. :)

quoted 7 lines Actually, kinda. I'd say that the glorified synth-pop that is referred to

> >Actually, kinda. I'd say that the glorified synth-pop that is referred to >as industrial these days (VNV Nation et al) and the KMFDMs and Front 242s >of the 80s are not "industrial," but that there are some bands today that >still retain the original "industrial" vibe but differ somehow from noise >artists like Merzbow. But then again, who really cares? =) >

Yeah. A lot of the new industrial has little to do with skinny puppy, let alone cabaret voltaire. So what are your fav. new industrial bands? Are you pointing in the direction of powernoise, stuff on the hymen label, or what?

quoted 5 lines ebola

>>ebola >>np: das ich > >yay Das Ich >

I like it. New EBM worth listening to. ebola np: DJ Shadow _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org