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What's nihilistic about that? We're all crawling with parasites, doesnt mean we aren't interesting, fun people. If the end product is the same, who cares if it's motivated by free will? I don't mind being part of a billion year domino chain, even if it does invalidate my claims to being a free agent. Actually I find the latter idea a bit more liberating. Like the man said, we may be out of the trees, but we sure as hell aren't out of the woods. SOZER.SHT http://www.wearechangeagent.com PS: this is 'on topic' because I am an 'intelligent' electronic musician and this is what I want to talk about. Lord knows it's a bit more interesting than if Moby is a sellout or not.

quoted 32 lines not to be a smart ass.. but ... It's somewhat nihilistic in that if you

>not to be a smart ass.. but ... It's somewhat nihilistic in that if you >extend it to it's >logical conclusion that people are just vehicles for ideologies, 'hosts' if >you will and it can even call free will into question. Read Richard >Dawkins >"The Selfish Gene" - it was the book that got things rolling. More >recently, Daniel Dennet wrote a decent treatise called "Darwin's Dangerous >Idea". > >I wasn't going to post this because it seemed to OT, but then I looked at >all the messages devoted to IDM listeners with double x chromosomes and how >they are a separate species and then it seemed relevent. :P > >~g > > > > >-- >Greg Smith >http://www.laiad.com >"There is no such thing as a perfectly accurate clock. The nearest you can >get is one that has stopped. Although you never know when, it is >absolutely >accurate twice a day." - JG Ballard/Chronopolis > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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on 4/23/02 9:38 AM, SHADETEk Records at shadetek@hotmail.com scrawled:

quoted 8 lines What's nihilistic about that? We're all crawling with parasites, doesnt

> What's nihilistic about that? We're all crawling with parasites, doesnt > mean we aren't interesting, fun people. If the end product is the same, who > cares if it's motivated by free will? I don't mind being part of a billion > year domino chain, even if it does invalidate my claims to being a free > agent. Actually I find the latter idea a bit more liberating. Like the man > said, we may be out of the trees, but we sure as hell aren't out of the > woods. >

I like that quote about being out of the woods... rollercoasters aren't that exciting. While you are being hurled about and looped and making hairpin turns, you can only actually move in a very limited way.. you can only squirm within the constraints of the mechanism of the device that holds you in place. Same difference if are actions are constrained by ideologies that 'infect' us. I suppose the optimist would read this as an 'shut up and enjoy the ride' situation while the pessimist would be griping about how tight the restraints were. ~g np. Eno's Airport Muzak <-token mention of music. -- Greg Smith http://www.laiad.com "There is no such thing as a perfectly accurate clock. The nearest you can get is one that has stopped. Although you never know when, it is absolutely accurate twice a day." - JG Ballard/Chronopolis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org