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2002-04-19 18:49Re: [idm] IDM concerts
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2002-04-19 18:49Jc105776@aol.comOkay, since I make electronic music, I'll make another point. Playing a laptop show live,
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Okay, since I make electronic music, I'll make another point. Playing a laptop show live, consists of hitting space bar on a software sequencer, and turning some DSP effects on your laptop as the track progresses. Why is this any different than hitting play on your CD player? How does this make it any more live? Hitting play on a prerecorded piece of work and moving a mouse to tweak some minor effects, and hitting play on your CD player/LP player to me is the same damn thing. Why should I pay $10 to see this? I'd rather buy a 6-pack and stay at home and press space bar on *MY* laptop and write music. If you're going to a show to pick up chicks (or guys) and making a show a whole social experience, kudos to you. I just like music, and I find these shows COMPLETELY stupid. It's not that I want to see a rock show...I go to see live music to see another aspect of the music...something visual or at least a live interpretation of the recorded work. Otherwise, music to me, is an purely auditory experience. I never said I wanted some dudes rocking out. Rock music these days is mostly full of shit, but I'll be the first to say that a rock show is more interesting then a guy hitting space bar on a laptop and moving a mouse. I'm not a huge matmos fan, but I'll say that I was pretty impressed when I saw their show back in 99...why can't anybody else do something else as interesting. If they call this music "intelligent", then why aren't the shows intelligently conceived? -David i --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-19 19:08disko daliwhat ever happened to just going out to dance to some fucking loud music?! american audien
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what ever happened to just going out to dance to some fucking loud music?! american audiences have such a problem with dancing... europeans dance to anything... even if there is no drum beat! i've spoken to both djs and artists about this and they are just baffled as to what's up with dancing in america. turn it up and dance funny... even if you don't have rhythm. i gotta deal bedroom producers and djs... now i got to deal with bedroom dancers too! aaarrrgggg! alex Jc105776@aol.com wrote: Okay, since I make electronic music, I'll make another point. Playing a laptop show live, consists of hitting space bar on a software sequencer, and turning some DSP effects on your laptop as the track progresses. Why is this any different than hitting play on your CD player? How does this make it any more live? Hitting play on a prerecorded piece of work and moving a mouse to tweak some minor effects, and hitting play on your CD player/LP player to me is the same damn thing. Why should I pay $10 to see this? I'd rather buy a 6-pack and stay at home and press space bar on *MY* laptop and write music. If you're going to a show to pick up chicks (or guys) and making a show a whole social experience, kudos to you. I just like music, and I find these shows COMPLETELY stupid. It's not that I want to see a rock show...I go to see live music to see another aspect of the music...something visual or at least a live interpretation of the recorded work. Otherwise, music to me, is an purely auditory experience. I never said I wanted some dudes rocking out. Rock music these days is mostly full of shit, but I'll be the first to say that a rock show is more interesting then a guy hitting space bar on a laptop and moving a mouse. I'm not a huge matmos fan, but I'll say that I was pretty impressed when I saw their show back in 99...why can't anybody else do something else as interesting. If they call this music "intelligent", then why aren't the shows intelligently conceived? -David i --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax
2002-04-19 19:17vis-youSome reasons to see a live laptop show... so what! An artist shows up and hits the space b
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Some reasons to see a live laptop show... so what! An artist shows up and hits the space bar on his/her laptop. You show up and: 1) you might get a crack at some otherwise unavailable merch. 2) you might get a chance to talk to the artist 3) you might meet guys/girls 4) you to hear music you already like or love played on a sound system you would never or could never own. 5) add to that the social aspect of it 6) it forces you (or should, anyway) to get out on the dance floor and enjoy yourself... something you are not likely to do in the privacy of your own home 7) I've often gone to a show to see one artist and discovered another I may never otherwise have heard. 8) it's fun all that and a bag of tricks for $10 Sure... count me in. ¢2-matT --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-19 20:13EggyToastAt 02:17 PM 4/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Some reasons to see a live laptop show... > >so w
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At 02:17 PM 4/19/2002 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 3 lines Some reasons to see a live laptop show...>Some reasons to see a live laptop show... > >so what! An artist shows up and hits the space bar on his/her laptop.
An artist that I'm paying money to see specifically. Not to go to a party with some good music. If it's billed like a rock show, with opening acts and headliners, it should *at least* be structured like one, with the artists visible and the center of the act. Otherwise, it should be billed differently, such as saying "music, good drinks, some food, and Autechre!"
quoted 1 line You show up and:>You show up and:
I don't want to come off as an asshole by parsing your list, but I wanted to address some points you brought up.
quoted 1 line 1) you might get a crack at some otherwise unavailable merch.>1) you might get a crack at some otherwise unavailable merch.
I personally see this as a perk to a live show, but hardly the reason to attend (and definitely not the #1 reason). Why a $4 t-shirt with, apparently, $16 worth of ink on it is justification for a poor live performance is beyond me :D
quoted 2 lines 2) you might get a chance to talk to the artist>2) you might get a chance to talk to the artist >3) you might meet guys/girls
These are great reasons to go to a show. I've always liked being able to see the artist I paid to go see, and be like "huh, they're not so weird after all." And it's nice to see who else is in the local "IDM community." Granted, they're usually dweeby shy types, which hinders the whole "meeting" thing, but at least they're some fresh faces.
quoted 2 lines 4) you to hear music you already like or love played on a sound system you>4) you to hear music you already like or love played on a sound system you >would never or could never own.
*ahem* Perhaps the local venues here are not representative of venues in other parts of the world, but First Avenue (in Minneapolis) is pretty famous, and their sound system is simply loud. Sure, it sounds decent loud, but all the shows I've seen there and at other venues in the area are just loud for the sake of loud. They distort, they fuzz and pop, and if they're the epitome of quality, I have some land in alaska to sell you.
quoted 1 line 5) add to that the social aspect of it>5) add to that the social aspect of it
Unless they're all dweeby introverts :)
quoted 3 lines 6) it forces you (or should, anyway) to get out on the dance floor and enjoy>6) it forces you (or should, anyway) to get out on the dance floor and enjoy >yourself... something you are not likely to do in the privacy of your own >home
Your other points are valid, but this I do not see. As has been stated by other people, not everyone enjoys music by dancing, and a lot of people bop around their bedroom but are rather reserved in public. Especially those dweeby introverts. I personally would rather have some seating areas rather than a huge sprawling dance floor. Sure, you can fit more people into an open space, but are IDM shows that popular? Autechre will fill a small room simply out of curiosity's sake, but there's no reason they shouldn't be able to book smaller venues that have seating. Maybe it's just that the local promoters in the Minneapolis area are ass. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-19 20:44disko daliEggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> wrote: At 02:17 PM 4/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Some reason
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EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> wrote: At 02:17 PM 4/19/2002 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 3 lines Some reasons to see a live laptop show...>Some reasons to see a live laptop show... > >so what! An artist shows up and hits the space bar on his/her laptop.
An artist that I'm paying money to see specifically. Not to go to a party with some good music. If it's billed like a rock show, with opening acts and headliners, it should *at least* be structured like one, with the artists visible and the center of the act. Otherwise, it should be billed differently, such as saying "music, good drinks, some food, and Autechre!"
quoted 1 line You show up and:>You show up and:
I don't want to come off as an asshole by parsing your list, but I wanted to address some points you brought up.
quoted 1 line 1) you might get a crack at some otherwise unavailable merch.>1) you might get a crack at some otherwise unavailable merch.
I personally see this as a perk to a live show, but hardly the reason to attend (and definitely not the #1 reason). Why a $4 t-shirt with, apparently, $16 worth of ink on it is justification for a poor live performance is beyond me :D
quoted 2 lines 2) you might get a chance to talk to the artist>2) you might get a chance to talk to the artist >3) you might meet guys/girls
These are great reasons to go to a show. I've always liked being able to see the artist I paid to go see, and be like "huh, they're not so weird after all." And it's nice to see who else is in the local "IDM community." Granted, they're usually dweeby shy types, which hinders the whole "meeting" thing, but at least they're some fresh faces.
quoted 2 lines 4) you to hear music you already like or love played on a sound system you>4) you to hear music you already like or love played on a sound system you >would never or could never own.
*ahem* Perhaps the local venues here are not representative of venues in other parts of the world, but First Avenue (in Minneapolis) is pretty famous, and their sound system is simply loud. Sure, it sounds decent loud, but all the shows I've seen there and at other venues in the area are just loud for the sake of loud. They distort, they fuzz and pop, and if they're the epitome of quality, I have some land in alaska to sell you.
quoted 1 line 5) add to that the social aspect of it>5) add to that the social aspect of it
Unless they're all dweeby introverts :)
quoted 3 lines 6) it forces you (or should, anyway) to get out on the dance floor and enjoy>6) it forces you (or should, anyway) to get out on the dance floor and enjoy >yourself... something you are not likely to do in the privacy of your own >home
Your other points are valid, but this I do not see. As has been stated by other people, not everyone enjoys music by dancing, and a lot of people bop around their bedroom but are rather reserved in public. Especially those dweeby introverts. I personally would rather have some seating areas rather than a huge sprawling dance floor. Sure, you can fit more people into an open space, but are IDM shows that popular? Autechre will fill a small room simply out of curiosity's sake, but there's no reason they shouldn't be able to book smaller venues that have seating. Maybe it's just that the local promoters in the Minneapolis area are ass. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax
2002-04-19 20:53disko dalino "live" show... just some good music, drinks, dancing, good sound system, and some couch
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no "live" show... just some good music, drinks, dancing, good sound system, and some couches to make veryone happy... and oh ... a bunch of djs spinning autechre ;-) May 14th, 2002 Tuesday 10pm - 4am GLITCH @ Bar 13 FREE 21 + 35 east 13th street @ University Place Union Square, New York City http://www.bar13.com check out the inside of the club/bar EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> wrote: At 02:17 PM 4/19/2002 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 3 lines Some reasons to see a live laptop show...>Some reasons to see a live laptop show... > >so what! An artist shows up and hits the space bar on his/her laptop.
An artist that I'm paying money to see specifically. Not to go to a party with some good music. If it's billed like a rock show, with opening acts and headliners, it should *at least* be structured like one, with the artists visible and the center of the act. Otherwise, it should be billed differently, such as saying "music, good drinks, some food, and Autechre!"
quoted 1 line You show up and:>You show up and:
I don't want to come off as an asshole by parsing your list, but I wanted to address some points you brought up.
quoted 1 line 1) you might get a crack at some otherwise unavailable merch.>1) you might get a crack at some otherwise unavailable merch.
I personally see this as a perk to a live show, but hardly the reason to attend (and definitely not the #1 reason). Why a $4 t-shirt with, apparently, $16 worth of ink on it is justification for a poor live performance is beyond me :D
quoted 2 lines 2) you might get a chance to talk to the artist>2) you might get a chance to talk to the artist >3) you might meet guys/girls
These are great reasons to go to a show. I've always liked being able to see the artist I paid to go see, and be like "huh, they're not so weird after all." And it's nice to see who else is in the local "IDM community." Granted, they're usually dweeby shy types, which hinders the whole "meeting" thing, but at least they're some fresh faces.
quoted 2 lines 4) you to hear music you already like or love played on a sound system you>4) you to hear music you already like or love played on a sound system you >would never or could never own.
*ahem* Perhaps the local venues here are not representative of venues in other parts of the world, but First Avenue (in Minneapolis) is pretty famous, and their sound system is simply loud. Sure, it sounds decent loud, but all the shows I've seen there and at other venues in the area are just loud for the sake of loud. They distort, they fuzz and pop, and if they're the epitome of quality, I have some land in alaska to sell you.
quoted 1 line 5) add to that the social aspect of it>5) add to that the social aspect of it
Unless they're all dweeby introverts :)
quoted 3 lines 6) it forces you (or should, anyway) to get out on the dance floor and enjoy>6) it forces you (or should, anyway) to get out on the dance floor and enjoy >yourself... something you are not likely to do in the privacy of your own >home
Your other points are valid, but this I do not see. As has been stated by other people, not everyone enjoys music by dancing, and a lot of people bop around their bedroom but are rather reserved in public. Especially those dweeby introverts. I personally would rather have some seating areas rather than a huge sprawling dance floor. Sure, you can fit more people into an open space, but are IDM shows that popular? Autechre will fill a small room simply out of curiosity's sake, but there's no reason they shouldn't be able to book smaller venues that have seating. Maybe it's just that the local promoters in the Minneapolis area are ass. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax