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2002-04-10 02:48Andrei> > > Are you possibly confusing dada with symbolism? > > > >Nope. :-> > > Are you just me

From:: Andrei <andrei@world.std.com>
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Date:: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:48:40 -0400
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quoted 7 lines Are you possibly confusing dada with symbolism?

> > > Are you possibly confusing dada with symbolism? > > > >Nope. :-> > > Are you just meaning "statements and messages" in the sense of there being > a conceptual component to the works, ie. it's art that was all about > commenting on or questioning art and its function?

In a way. I think everything in Dada was a "statement" more so than in lots of other art movements. Dada art was about more than just the art itself. It wasn't just meaningless art done for "art's sake" (that statement is one of my pet peeves, because there's really no such thing). Dada was very much a response to the absurdism of WWI and it was a sneer and a slap in the face of convention. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2002-04-10 03:15lysaabiAbove all else, the Dada Movement was a nihilistic one - denying meaning. That is the anti

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Above all else, the Dada Movement was a nihilistic one - denying meaning. That is the antithesis of making a statement. Andrei wrote:

quoted 6 lines In a way. I think everything in Dada was a "statement" more so than in

> In a way. I think everything in Dada was a "statement" more so than in > lots of other art movements. Dada art was about more than just the art > itself. It wasn't just meaningless art done for "art's sake" (that > statement is one of my pet peeves, because there's really no such thing). > Dada was very much a response to the absurdism of WWI and it was a sneer > and a slap in the face of convention.

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2002-04-10 04:41EggyToastAt 08:15 PM 4/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Above all else, the Dada Movement was a nihilistic

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Date:: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:41:22 -0600
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At 08:15 PM 4/9/2002 -0700, you wrote:

quoted 2 lines Above all else, the Dada Movement was a nihilistic one - denying meaning.

>Above all else, the Dada Movement was a nihilistic one - denying meaning. >That is the antithesis of making a statement.

"Don't worry Donny, they're only nihilists." Of course, isn't a statement saying that there is no statement or meaning a statement? Wheee!!!!! derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2002-04-10 05:05Christopher Sorg> At 08:15 PM 4/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Above all else, the Dada Movement was a nihili

From:: Christopher Sorg <csorg@enteract.com>
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Date:: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:05:21 -0500
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quoted 13 lines At 08:15 PM 4/9/2002 -0700, you wrote:

> At 08:15 PM 4/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Above all else, the Dada Movement was a nihilistic one - denying meaning. > >That is the antithesis of making a statement. > > "Don't worry Donny, they're only nihilists." > > Of course, isn't a statement saying that there is no statement or > meaning a > statement? > > Wheee!!!!! > > derek

I doubt that any Dadaists would have copped even to that. Those crazy Dadaists would never have called themselves anything twice (so, okay, they were nihilists...once :), more likely they would (and they often did) do something completely nonsensical or accidental (like rolling dice to create something, ala Kurt Schwitters, or calling the crack in the Large Glass the final touch, heheh) and then do something completely overwrought with symbolism, such as, well, the Large Glass. Even calling it Dada is kind of weird. It's like calling a group of artists that have nothing (and everything) in common "blaudyblooblee". It's completely meaningless until it starts to become framed in an historical context. And you'd have to be a die-hard Hegelian to say that there was a cause (WWI) and effect (Dada), and they don't exist anymore, do they? Duchamp was practicing whatever "Dadaist" really means right up until his death (the permanent installation in the Philadelphia Art Museum installation several months *after* his death, in fact). At any rate, the work is so lovingly open to multiple interpretations...that's why art historians love it so much. They'll end up with more writing about the Dadaists than there is actual Dada work. And that's really Dada! And if there are any so-called IDM artists out there creating Dada-like IDM, my vote would be for the Tigerbeat crew. Well, okay, perhaps they're more Fluxus, I don't know. Take your pick. __________________________________________ Christopher Sorg Multimedia Artist and Instructor The School of the Art Institute of Chicago http://csorg.cjb.net csorg@artic.edu --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 1/11/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 1/11/02 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2002-04-10 05:37AndreiOn Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Christopher Sorg wrote: > And if there are any so-called IDM artists

From:: Andrei <andrei@world.std.com>
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Date:: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:37:25 -0400
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On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Christopher Sorg wrote:

quoted 3 lines And if there are any so-called IDM artists out there creating Dada-like IDM,

> And if there are any so-called IDM artists out there creating Dada-like IDM, > my vote would be for the Tigerbeat crew. Well, okay, perhaps they're more > Fluxus, I don't know. Take your pick.

I disagree, because there's no conceptual or intellectual depth to 606's work. I doubt he'd even know what you're referring to. :-) And there's a variety of acts within the Tigerbeat6 crew. I don't think there's an equivalent to Dada in IDM. There never really was such a thing as Dada music even while the Dadaist movement was active, so it's difficult to draw comparisons. I think there are IDM related acts like perhaps V/Vm who make allusions to Dada in their image, but musically ? There's a certain Dadaist absurdism to the way Aphex presents himself I suppose, but that's not really present in his music. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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