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i always thought collage work began in the dada movement but then again i dont really follow art history that much. couldnt we also apply this whole sampling issue to photography? lets say i decide to take a picture of some building and i call that picture my own and i sell it for lots of money. shouldn't i pay the architect royalties if well all played by the same rules? the architect designed and built the building on which i based my photograph. thats more or less the same argument against sampling. (i support of sampling - im just sort of posing this question as something to think about.) matt

quoted 32 lines From: lysaabi <lysaabi@earthlink.net>

>From: lysaabi <lysaabi@earthlink.net> >To: eye dee em <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: [idm] appropriation in art [was Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com] >Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:07:55 -0700 > >Actually sort of the opposite. Look at Duchamp's readymades - something >not originally presented as art, presented as art. > >But really, the first occurrence of sampling is probably with the >analytical cubists, using pieces of newspaper in collages. > >Lisa B > >matt salcido wrote: > > > i wonder if this sort of nonsense went down during the dada movement... > > > > >From: Justin Lovero <jmlnews@yahoo.com> > > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > > >Subject: [idm] Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com > > >Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:06:11 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/04/09/digital.distortion/index.html > > > > > >The IDM list members are becoming more legit with each > > >passing day. =) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 9 lines i always thought collage work began in the dada movement but then again i

>i always thought collage work began in the dada movement but then again i >dont really follow art history that much. couldnt we also apply this >whole sampling issue to photography? lets say i decide to take a picture >of some building and i call that picture my own and i sell it for lots of >money. shouldn't i pay the architect royalties if well all played by the >same rules? the architect designed and built the building on which i based >my photograph. thats more or less the same argument against sampling. (i >support of sampling - im just sort of posing this question as something to >think about.)

I know there's been at least one case of something similar to this. The Mona Lisa is, of course, artwork within the public domain, so anyone can copy it, take a picture, etc. But what about that picture? There was someone, I think it was an AP photographer, who took a picture of the Mona Lisa and said that it was an original photograph, since he staged it, set up the lighting, etc. Similar to collage work. Whether or not this is valid art is, of course, up to the critical eye of each individual. But it's definitely interesting. Lends an amount of weight to arguments against copyright, too... derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org