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2002-04-09 18:21Static Beats Re: [idm] TDR usability examples (was Skam website)
└─ 2002-04-09 18:39thorsten Sideb0ard Re: [idm] TDR usability examples (was Skam website)
2002-04-09 18:29Joyrex Re: [idm] TDR usability examples (was Skam website)
2002-04-09 19:46Randall Roberts Re[2]: [idm] new skam website
└─ 2002-04-09 18:13vis-you Re: Re[2]: [idm] new skam website
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2002-04-09 18:21Static BeatsHow about the Autechre Confield album? White on white anyone? What about the Brothomstates
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How about the Autechre Confield album? White on white anyone? What about the Brothomstates album? Tracklisting on the inner CD case spine with no spaces? I couldn't figure if the last line was a track title or a shoutout. What about the Jake Mandell album with all those lines on the cover? How long did it take to decipher the tracklisting for that one? Hey, even the Blechsdottir II CD was hard to figure out! All artists, tracks and info on the back with no spaces? Hey, track 7 is playing - wonder what that is? I dunno, I tend to get really annoyed when I purchase the latest TDR rendering, it's all just a bit *too* IDM for me. Sure it's "neat" but sometimes I'd rather just look at the back of a CD and see what's playing yunno? I'm not going to blanket TDR and say I hate them or their artwork is crap - that's not the way I feel - I just think they really aren't usability experts and quite possibly, they are making it purposely difficult to use - as if *that* were part of the design experience itself. Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music > Digital Culture ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall Roberts" <Randall.Roberts@riverfronttimes.com> To: "alan r lucas" <alucas@telerama.com> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:46 PM Subject: Re[2]: [idm] new skam website
quoted 2 lines DR doesn't do all the Warp releases; they've just done a few. The one that> DR doesn't do all the Warp releases; they've just done a few. The one that > pisses me off the most is the three volume tenth anniversary series --
classics,
quoted 1 line influences and remixes (especially the remixes). Also: Funkstoring,> influences and remixes (especially the remixes). Also: Funkstoring,
Additional
quoted 1 line Productions. Schematic's Ischemic Folks. All suffer from the same problem:> Productions. Schematic's Ischemic Folks. All suffer from the same problem:
the
quoted 2 lines most useful information is totally buried and nearly illegible.> most useful information is totally buried and nearly illegible. > They've done some brilliant design, as well (Towa Tei), and if I
didn't have
quoted 2 lines a radio show where I needed to find the information fairly quickly and> a radio show where I needed to find the information fairly quickly and > accurately, this probably wouldn't peeve me as much as it does (and it is
a
quoted 30 lines simple peeve, nothing more); but as a fan of design and the beauty of well> simple peeve, nothing more); but as a fan of design and the beauty of well > executed graphics, it's hard for me to stomach. > > RR > np: In the Beginning There Was Rhythm > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: Re: [idm] new skam website > Author: alan r lucas <alucas@telerama.com> > Date: 4/9/02 11:42 AM > > can you give a few ferinstances of completely illegible tDR sleeves? i > really can't think of any. > > i mean, these are the guys who do the purple warp sleeves that simply > list the artist and track titles. it doesn't get much more basic than > that. i dunno. i've always thought that tDR's stuff was great in that the > design element was very cool, but you still knew what you were listening > to. i just can't recall missing a tracklisting anywhere. > > perfectly willing to be corrected and/or put in my place, > alan! > > np:senor coconut:el coco baile > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2002-04-09 18:39thorsten Sideb0ardi was gonna stay outta this one, but just when you bring up legibility, the text on the Ki
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Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:39:37 -0700 (PDT)
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i was gonna stay outta this one, but just when you bring up legibility, the text on the Kit Clayton 'Lateral Forces[Surface Fault]' CD on Vertical Form is a bitch to read. sky blue on sky blue. bleurgh~! -thor On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Static Beats wrote:
quoted 91 lines How about the Autechre Confield album?> How about the Autechre Confield album? > White on white anyone? > > What about the Brothomstates album? > Tracklisting on the inner CD case spine with no spaces? > I couldn't figure if the last line was a track title or a shoutout. > > What about the Jake Mandell album with all those lines on the cover? > How long did it take to decipher the tracklisting for that one? > > Hey, even the Blechsdottir II CD was hard to figure out! > All artists, tracks and info on the back with no spaces? > Hey, track 7 is playing - wonder what that is? > > I dunno, I tend to get really annoyed when I purchase the latest TDR > rendering, > it's all just a bit *too* IDM for me. Sure it's "neat" but sometimes I'd > rather just > look at the back of a CD and see what's playing yunno? > > I'm not going to blanket TDR and say I hate them or their artwork is crap - > that's > not the way I feel - I just think they really aren't usability experts and > quite possibly, > they are making it purposely difficult to use - as if *that* were part of > the design > experience itself. > > > Shimone/Justes > http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music > Digital Culture > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall Roberts" <Randall.Roberts@riverfronttimes.com> > To: "alan r lucas" <alucas@telerama.com> > Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:46 PM > Subject: Re[2]: [idm] new skam website > > > > DR doesn't do all the Warp releases; they've just done a few. The one that > > pisses me off the most is the three volume tenth anniversary series -- > classics, > > influences and remixes (especially the remixes). Also: Funkstoring, > Additional > > Productions. Schematic's Ischemic Folks. All suffer from the same problem: > the > > most useful information is totally buried and nearly illegible. > > They've done some brilliant design, as well (Towa Tei), and if I > didn't have > > a radio show where I needed to find the information fairly quickly and > > accurately, this probably wouldn't peeve me as much as it does (and it is > a > > simple peeve, nothing more); but as a fan of design and the beauty of well > > executed graphics, it's hard for me to stomach. > > > > RR > > np: In the Beginning There Was Rhythm > > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > Subject: Re: [idm] new skam website > > Author: alan r lucas <alucas@telerama.com> > > Date: 4/9/02 11:42 AM > > > > can you give a few ferinstances of completely illegible tDR sleeves? i > > really can't think of any. > > > > i mean, these are the guys who do the purple warp sleeves that simply > > list the artist and track titles. it doesn't get much more basic than > > that. i dunno. i've always thought that tDR's stuff was great in that the > > design element was very cool, but you still knew what you were listening > > to. i just can't recall missing a tracklisting anywhere. > > > > perfectly willing to be corrected and/or put in my place, > > alan! > > > > np:senor coconut:el coco baile > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2002-04-09 18:29JoyrexThe problem with some designers nowadays is they try to be 'clever' (i.e.: mixing numbers
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The problem with some designers nowadays is they try to be 'clever' (i.e.: mixing numbers in as letters, etc.) and sometimes they miss their target audience. I think somebody has already said if your audience doesn't get it, then you've failed. JR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Static Beats" <idm-list@staticbeats.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [idm] TDR usability examples (was Skam website)
quoted 21 lines How about the Autechre Confield album?> How about the Autechre Confield album? > White on white anyone? > > What about the Brothomstates album? > Tracklisting on the inner CD case spine with no spaces? > I couldn't figure if the last line was a track title or a shoutout. > > What about the Jake Mandell album with all those lines on the cover? > How long did it take to decipher the tracklisting for that one? > > Hey, even the Blechsdottir II CD was hard to figure out! > All artists, tracks and info on the back with no spaces? > Hey, track 7 is playing - wonder what that is? > > I dunno, I tend to get really annoyed when I purchase the latest TDR > rendering, > it's all just a bit *too* IDM for me. Sure it's "neat" but sometimes I'd > rather just > look at the back of a CD and see what's playing yunno? > > I'm not going to blanket TDR and say I hate them or their artwork is
crap -
quoted 21 lines that's> that's > not the way I feel - I just think they really aren't usability experts and > quite possibly, > they are making it purposely difficult to use - as if *that* were part of > the design > experience itself. > > > Shimone/Justes > http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music > Digital Culture > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall Roberts" <Randall.Roberts@riverfronttimes.com> > To: "alan r lucas" <alucas@telerama.com> > Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:46 PM > Subject: Re[2]: [idm] new skam website > > > > DR doesn't do all the Warp releases; they've just done a few. The one
that
quoted 5 lines pisses me off the most is the three volume tenth anniversary series --> > pisses me off the most is the three volume tenth anniversary series -- > classics, > > influences and remixes (especially the remixes). Also: Funkstoring, > Additional > > Productions. Schematic's Ischemic Folks. All suffer from the same
problem:
quoted 6 lines the> the > > most useful information is totally buried and nearly illegible. > > They've done some brilliant design, as well (Towa Tei), and if I > didn't have > > a radio show where I needed to find the information fairly quickly and > > accurately, this probably wouldn't peeve me as much as it does (and it
is
quoted 2 lines a> a > > simple peeve, nothing more); but as a fan of design and the beauty of
well
quoted 16 lines executed graphics, it's hard for me to stomach.> > executed graphics, it's hard for me to stomach. > > > > RR > > np: In the Beginning There Was Rhythm > > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > Subject: Re: [idm] new skam website > > Author: alan r lucas <alucas@telerama.com> > > Date: 4/9/02 11:42 AM > > > > can you give a few ferinstances of completely illegible tDR sleeves? i > > really can't think of any. > > > > i mean, these are the guys who do the purple warp sleeves that simply > > list the artist and track titles. it doesn't get much more basic than > > that. i dunno. i've always thought that tDR's stuff was great in that
the
quoted 20 lines design element was very cool, but you still knew what you were listening> > design element was very cool, but you still knew what you were listening > > to. i just can't recall missing a tracklisting anywhere. > > > > perfectly willing to be corrected and/or put in my place, > > alan! > > > > np:senor coconut:el coco baile > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2002-04-09 19:46Randall RobertsDR doesn't do all the Warp releases; they've just done a few. The one that pisses me off t
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DR doesn't do all the Warp releases; they've just done a few. The one that pisses me off the most is the three volume tenth anniversary series -- classics, influences and remixes (especially the remixes). Also: Funkstoring, Additional Productions. Schematic's Ischemic Folks. All suffer from the same problem: the most useful information is totally buried and nearly illegible. They've done some brilliant design, as well (Towa Tei), and if I didn't have a radio show where I needed to find the information fairly quickly and accurately, this probably wouldn't peeve me as much as it does (and it is a simple peeve, nothing more); but as a fan of design and the beauty of well executed graphics, it's hard for me to stomach. RR np: In the Beginning There Was Rhythm ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: [idm] new skam website Author: alan r lucas <alucas@telerama.com> Date: 4/9/02 11:42 AM can you give a few ferinstances of completely illegible tDR sleeves? i really can't think of any. i mean, these are the guys who do the purple warp sleeves that simply list the artist and track titles. it doesn't get much more basic than that. i dunno. i've always thought that tDR's stuff was great in that the design element was very cool, but you still knew what you were listening to. i just can't recall missing a tracklisting anywhere. perfectly willing to be corrected and/or put in my place, alan! np:senor coconut:el coco baile --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-09 18:13vis-you> They've done some brilliant design, as well (Towa Tei), and if I didn't have > a radio s
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quoted 5 lines They've done some brilliant design, as well (Towa Tei), and if I didn't have> They've done some brilliant design, as well (Towa Tei), and if I didn't have > a radio show where I needed to find the information fairly quickly and > accurately, this probably wouldn't peeve me as much as it does (and it is a > simple peeve, nothing more); but as a fan of design and the beauty of well > executed graphics, it's hard for me to stomach.
The end result of good design is communication. If it fails to communicate effectively, it fails as graphic design. Now artistry, a key element of good graphic design, can have different rules of play than straight design. So just about anything goes. Something like a CD jacket should most often fall into the category of Graphic Design; having both great artistry and the ability to communicate effectively. or it fails in it's purpose... or something 8) jmho -matT nashville.tn --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org