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Hey if your gonna do a time warp, why not check out some old Jethro Tull - say fer instance, Aqualung...? Not psychedelic per se, but I think you'll like it. Interesting (or not) tidbit - was it the first year there was a grammy for heavy metal band that Jethro Tull won? hee hee - Jethro Tull, a heavy metal band??? ha! Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: Mxyzptlk <jpklein@telocity.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:30:06 -0600 To: "Jan!" <j.moesen@student.unimaas.nl>,idm-l <idm@hyperreal.org> Subject: Re: [idm] [OT] Pink Floyd recommendations

quoted 41 lines The early work (prolly up to Ummagumma and Atom Heart Mother) is a bit more

> The early work (prolly up to Ummagumma and Atom Heart Mother) is a bit more > psychedelic - with the possible exception of the singles "Arnold Layne" and > See Emily Play" - than the later, more calmed Floyd. The more they got > away from Syd Barrett's influence, the more their sound became what I would > call "tempered psychedelic". Keep in mind that they began in - what? '65 or > '66. "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" and "A Saucerful of Secrets" were both > ***OLD*** school psychedelia (and, I'm pretty sure were repackaged and > remastered as a 2xcd). Ummagumma is still pretty intense as is Atom Heart > Mother, but the band begins to morph into the 'quieter insanity" mode with > "Meddle" and this sound is reflected in places on "Obscurred By Clouds" as > well. IMO, they reached the pinnacle of this aspect of their career with > "Dark Side of the Moon" - a tour de force even if it has been played to > death and beyond in my aged ears. The songs you mention are from later in > their journey ("The Wall", "Animals", "Wish You Were Here") and while > others will most certainly disagree with me, I have always considered those > titles to be 'past the prime' of Pink Floyd and part of their resting on > laurels phase. If you want to investigate their catalog, I'd suggest > Ummagumma for something a bit more out-of control than what you've heard. > Jump to "Meddle" and if that sounds good to you, grab DSOTM. > > > At 02:00 PM 3/12/2002, Jan! wrote: > >I've been listening to this MP3 from Pink Floyd quite a lot recently. It's > >called "shine on you crazy diamond (parts 1-7)". It's about 17 minutes > >long and actually sounds like pre-post-rock to me :-) > > > >I don't know much of Pink Floyd's other work, just the stuff like "brick > >in a wall" and "we don't need no education" - heck, I don't even know the > >proper song names. > > > >I was wondering if you could give me some pointers for stuff in a similar > >vein: a bit more like crazy diamond than brick wall. How much of their > >work is psychedelic-ish? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 2 lines Hey if your gonna do a time warp, why not check out some old Jethro Tull - say fer instanc

> Hey if your gonna do a time warp, why not check out some old Jethro Tull - say fer instance, Aqualung...? > Not psychedelic per se, but I think you'll like it.

Uh oh, this is a very slippery slope. But of course, you have to then also listen to langorous Yes -- e.g. Close to the Edge, and its sequels which in a better universe would have been correctly named OVER the edge, Tales from Topographic Oceans and Relayer. Sprawling, intricate, undanceable, meticulously produced (to a very personal aesthetic) -- why, one step more and you're at Can, and perhaps swimming the Ur-sea from which IDM might have sprung via Kraftwerk. Well, maybe. (Blow off course and you end up in the Zappa archipelago. There there be monsters.) Re: PF, my heart is always with "Echoes" on Meddle. Re: psychedelia... dukes of stratosphere, collected on CD. (Anyone familiar with those weird solo andy partridge albums?) Oh, such innocent days those were.. aaron ghede@well.com http://www.quietamerican.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Dudes, if you wanna hear prog whose pretensions are almost bearable check out mid-70's era King Crimson: "Larks' Tongues in Aspic" "Starless and Bible Black" "Red" and the various live recordings from that period which have appeared in recent years. And if you wanna hear prog with impossible time signatures done by people who can actually improvise I'd suggest the first 2 Mahavishnu Orchestra albums. Truth is the only group which might be labeled prog that I can honestly say I like are This Heat. And as far as Pink Floyd, my recommendation would be "Piper At The Gates Of Dawn". Really, really great. I also like "1967: The First Three Singles" cuz it's the only place to find "Apples and Oranges", a song I personally really love, besides the box set. Syd, man ! Andrei On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Aaron Ximm wrote:

quoted 19 lines Hey if your gonna do a time warp, why not check out some old Jethro Tull - say fer instanc

> > Hey if your gonna do a time warp, why not check out some old Jethro Tull - say fer instance, Aqualung...? > > Not psychedelic per se, but I think you'll like it. > > Uh oh, this is a very slippery slope. But of course, you have to then > also listen to langorous Yes -- e.g. Close to the Edge, and its sequels > which in a better universe would have been correctly named OVER the edge, > Tales from Topographic Oceans and Relayer. Sprawling, intricate, > undanceable, meticulously produced (to a very personal aesthetic) -- why, > one step more and you're at Can, and perhaps swimming the Ur-sea from > which IDM might have sprung via Kraftwerk. Well, maybe. (Blow off course > and you end up in the Zappa archipelago. There there be monsters.) > > Re: PF, my heart is always with "Echoes" on Meddle. > > Re: psychedelia... dukes of stratosphere, collected on CD. (Anyone > familiar with those weird solo andy partridge albums?) > > Oh, such innocent days those were.. > aaron

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quoted 6 lines Dudes, if you wanna hear prog whose pretensions are almost bearable

>Dudes, if you wanna hear prog whose pretensions are almost bearable >check out mid-70's era King Crimson: > >"Larks' Tongues in Aspic" >"Starless and Bible Black" >"Red"

Three absolutely essential albums. -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 06:53 PM 3/12/2002, omz wrote:

quoted 8 lines Dudes, if you wanna hear prog whose pretensions are almost bearable

>>Dudes, if you wanna hear prog whose pretensions are almost bearable >>check out mid-70's era King Crimson: >> >>"Larks' Tongues in Aspic" >>"Starless and Bible Black" >>"Red" > >Three absolutely essential albums.

A fun band to see live during that era...Bill Bruford stalking the stage with about 50 exotic percussion instruments (Bruford was always an amazing drummer - pure math, that guy). I saw them in '73 with - believe it or not - Slade. One of those amazing concert billings which only the 70s could produce. I do recall Yes and Black Sabbath on the same bill, too. old, but not a Bob Seger fan, jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, omz wrote:

quoted 8 lines Dudes, if you wanna hear prog whose pretensions are almost bearable

> >Dudes, if you wanna hear prog whose pretensions are almost bearable > >check out mid-70's era King Crimson: > > > >"Larks' Tongues in Aspic" > >"Starless and Bible Black" > >"Red" > > Three absolutely essential albums.

oh yeah, and don't forget discipline! -rachel (aka dj pie) piesarenice.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 12 Mar 2002 at 18:53, omz wrote:

quoted 1 line "Larks' Tongues in Aspic"

> >"Larks' Tongues in Aspic"

Contains heartbreakingly gorgeous "Book of Saturdays". Oh, and it's got a nice cover! Funny thing is, I LOVED this album in its day, then lost it to the ravages of time, as one does. About a year or two ago I borrowed it from a friend who found it at a used book & record shop... and oh my, was I disappointed! The years didn't treat it well, and sometimes I feel it's best to leave ones memories intact - now that the avaiable palette of sounds has increased so much and our ever-hungry appetites for all things new and better are becoming jaded, these old "greats" just don't live up to scrutiny any more (IMO). But while we're talking prog. I'd strongly recommend Yes' Roundabout off their Fragile album. That being said, I sometimes wonder how I'd react to hearing any of these records now for the first time. Aqualung being another one... Mother Goose *still* gives me goosebumps and I know the words to Thick as a Brick off by heart (well, most of the way through) but in the year 2002 a first listen might be a time-warp that falls on overly privileged and advanced ears, like watching a grainy 8mm home- movie after seeing the Matrix. I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines Contains heartbreakingly gorgeous "Book of Saturdays". Oh, and it's

> Contains heartbreakingly gorgeous "Book of Saturdays". Oh, and it's > got a nice cover!

I agree!

quoted 8 lines Funny thing is, I LOVED this album in its day, then lost it to the

> Funny thing is, I LOVED this album in its day, then lost it to the > ravages of time, as one does. About a year or two ago I borrowed it > from a friend who found it at a used book & record shop... and oh my, > was I disappointed! The years didn't treat it well, and sometimes I > feel it's best to leave ones memories intact - now that the avaiable > palette of sounds has increased so much and our ever-hungry appetites > for all things new and better are becoming jaded, these old "greats" > just don't live up to scrutiny any more (IMO).

I don't agree! I still love that album - palette of sounds very large in part due to Jamie Muir ('Percussion and Allsorts') who went on to become a monk. Exiles is wondrous, Talking Drum - all of them! A friend just gave me a KC compilation called 'A Beginners Guide to the ProjeKcts' which is pretty fascinating - I'd stopped following them after Three of a Perfect Pair, but think I'll have to pick up the thread again. All the best, Colin. np Miles Davis - Pangaea (Mastersound edition)

quoted 18 lines From: Irene McC <substar@iafrica.com>

> From: Irene McC <substar@iafrica.com> > Organization: Loop Dancer > Reply-To: substar@iafrica.com > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:55:42 +0200 > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] [OT] prog > > Contains heartbreakingly gorgeous "Book of Saturdays". Oh, and it's > got a nice cover! > > Funny thing is, I LOVED this album in its day, then lost it to the > ravages of time, as one does. About a year or two ago I borrowed it > from a friend who found it at a used book & record shop... and oh my, > was I disappointed! The years didn't treat it well, and sometimes I > feel it's best to leave ones memories intact - now that the avaiable > palette of sounds has increased so much and our ever-hungry appetites > for all things new and better are becoming jaded, these old "greats" > just don't live up to scrutiny any more (IMO).

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quoted 3 lines Re: psychedelia... dukes of stratosphere, collected on CD. (Anyone

> >Re: psychedelia... dukes of stratosphere, collected on CD. (Anyone >familiar with those weird solo andy partridge albums?)

Yes indeedy, but the Dukes weren't Andy's per se...it was a full XTC sidebar. Now, if you want to talk 'strange Andy Partridge solo LPs, you're talking "Lure of Salvage" - alternatively titled "Take Away", I believe. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines Re: psychedelia... dukes of stratosphere, collected on CD. (Anyone

> >Re: psychedelia... dukes of stratosphere, collected on CD. (Anyone > >familiar with those weird solo andy partridge albums?) > > Yes indeedy, but the Dukes weren't Andy's per se...it was a full XTC > sidebar. Now, if you want to talk 'strange Andy Partridge solo LPs, you're > talking "Lure of Salvage" - alternatively titled "Take Away", I believe.

Certainly, I meant to mean, in addition to the Dukes... I have the album you mention but remember rumors that there were more... got it on vinyl, shrinkwrapped, in the early 90's in Chicago at the old waxtrax... wonder if it's still around... high time to re-listen with better educated ears I suspect! best aaron ghede@well.com http://www.quietamerican.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 9 lines Yes indeedy, but the Dukes weren't Andy's per se...it was a full XTC

> > > Yes indeedy, but the Dukes weren't Andy's per se...it was a full XTC > > sidebar. Now, if you want to talk 'strange Andy Partridge solo LPs, you're > > talking "Lure of Salvage" - alternatively titled "Take Away", I believe. > >Certainly, I meant to mean, in addition to the Dukes... I have the album >you mention but remember rumors that there were more... got it on vinyl, >shrinkwrapped, in the early 90's in Chicago at the old waxtrax... wonder >if it's still around...

It was remastered with bonus tracks and pressed to CD at least twice under different names. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i am going to have to say something about this one, if you haven't heard "piper at the gates of dawn" you need to go buy/dl'oad/steal this as soon as possible. also.... check the track "echoes".....i believe on "meddle", both albums have influenced my ideas about music as much as any other, syd barrett has some solo stuff thats incredibly trippy, try baby lemonade, hope it helps, ryan av3rs1on@aol.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 Av3rs1on@aol.com wrote:

quoted 2 lines if you haven't heard "piper at the gates of dawn"

> if you haven't heard "piper at the gates of dawn" > you need to go buy/dl'oad/steal this as soon as possible.

Just in case any fans don't know... ..."Piper at the Gates of Dawn" gets its title from one of the chapters in Kenneth Graham's 'The Wind in the Willows'... a trippy chapter at that, when the book suddenly takes one of its two serious turns (the other is in 'Wayfarers All', one of my cherished bits of purple prose!). In 'Piper'... well, maybe I'd better just let you read it. It can be read without perusing the rest of the book -- and will reward you if you do. Back to topic, aaron ghede@well.com http://www.quietamerican.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org