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hello all, my name is lenerd and i'd like to say hello. i've subscribed to this list because i like good music and someone told me that this was the place to find out about it. i know nothing about this "genre" of music and am open to any suggestions regarding what hits. i look forward to hearing from each and every one of you, lenerd p.s i'd like to cordially invite you to check out my new website: www.fatassphlapjack.com ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

my advice is you start by listening to some artists on the warp label. -----Original Message----- From: lenerd espangnola [mailto:pnfnp@email.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 1:14 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] new to the list hello all, my name is lenerd and i'd like to say hello. i've subscribed to this list because i like good music and someone told me that this was the place to find out about it. i know nothing about this "genre" of music and am open to any suggestions regarding what hits. i look forward to hearing from each and every one of you, lenerd p.s i'd like to cordially invite you to check out my new website: www.fatassphlapjack.com ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

mornin' looks like my mate ingmar has put his own auction up on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=368007264 this is that blue cd with the rare autechre mix on between 25 and 100 copies pressed - dunno he is a musician himself, so any monies he makes he ploughs back into making music auction ends in 2 days have fun benjib www.tapir.madvision.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Dude, is that Robotic Elvis?! http://sillyape.org/013002-boc/html/013002-boc15.htm How much more IDM can you get??!! .adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 09:12:04AM -0800, Adam Piontek wrote:

quoted 1 line Dude, is that Robotic Elvis?!

> Dude, is that Robotic Elvis?!

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now that I've seen the pictures from the BoC listening party, isn't this like juuust a little bit over the top? and does every new warp release *have* to be over-hyped nowadays?? after all, it's just another CD, not some divine intervention or something ... just wondering ;) and sorry for the rant bart

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> -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Piontek [mailto:adam@damek.org] > Sent: woensdag 6 februari 2002 18:12 > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] Re: [idm-m] boc, classic series > > > Dude, is that Robotic Elvis?! > > http://sillyape.org/013002-boc/html/013002-boc15.htm > > How much more IDM can you get??!! > > .adam > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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well, I think Warp made a good choice in having the listening parties rather than sending out promo cds of the record. They're probably trying to avoid what happened with drukqs, you know, having the album all over the web months before its release date. Can you really blame them, I think it was definitely worth it to spend a little bit of cash to have a listening party so that all of the local music critics and other music nerds can have a chance to hear the record and get their reviews togeter rather than sending out promo cds and losing tons of money because most people will rather download a record for free than buy it. 2cents ~adesh http://www.recordcamp.com -----Original Message----- From: SayVegin [mailto:idm@xyberweb.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 10:08 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] Re: [idm-m] boc, classic series now that I've seen the pictures from the BoC listening party, isn't this like juuust a little bit over the top? and does every new warp release *have* to be over-hyped nowadays?? after all, it's just another CD, not some divine intervention or something ... just wondering ;) and sorry for the rant bart

quoted 27 lines -----Original Message-----

> -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Piontek [mailto:adam@damek.org] > Sent: woensdag 6 februari 2002 18:12 > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] Re: [idm-m] boc, classic series > > > Dude, is that Robotic Elvis?! > > http://sillyape.org/013002-boc/html/013002-boc15.htm > > How much more IDM can you get??!! > > .adam > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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i would say that the best way to distribute an album from commercial and artistic points of view would be to sell it at the same time in all formats- vynil or cd in two versions (simple and also more expensive collectible edition) mp3 in a good bitrate from website for smth like $1-2 so it will be easier to buy it that to look for it everywhere and spend time to download a low bit version, than maybe some tracks are not their, etc i am sure that there must be a price that everyone agrees to pay for album in mp3 then to spent time to find a pirate copy my guess would be $1-$3 but not more than $4 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

hmm, you've got a point there. hadn't really looked at it that way. it's just that I'm getting fed up with all these hyped albums that turn out to be so mediocre. but I haven't heard geogaddi yet, so who knows ... maybe it 'll be worth it after all ;) bart

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> -----Original Message----- > From: Record Camp [mailto:lists@activaire.com] > Sent: woensdag 6 februari 2002 22:21 > To: SayVegin; idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [idm] Re: [idm-m] boc, classic series > > > well, I think Warp made a good choice in having the listening > parties rather > than sending out promo cds of the record. They're probably trying to avoid > what happened with drukqs, you know, having the album all over the web > months before its release date. > Can you really blame them, I think it was definitely worth it to spend a > little bit of cash to have a listening party so that all of the > local music > critics and other music nerds can have a chance to hear the record and get > their reviews togeter rather than sending out promo cds and losing tons of > money because most people will rather download a record for free than buy > it. > > 2cents > ~adesh > http://www.recordcamp.com > >

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Hi everyone, i'm new to the list and just figured i'd say hi. Currently i spin New Style Gabber, Terrorcore, Speedcore and Breakcore. I want to get into spinning IDM but am not sure where to look. I'd prefer the darker stuff if possible, but still on the mellow side. Any suggestions on to who to look for, where to get it would be really appreciated. Thanks Rich Warchild 781-376-1449 AIM: TheDJWarchild ICQ: 2021032 http://www.DJWarchild.Com Ruffneck Playaz Crew (http://www.ruffneckplayazcrew.com) Neverending Echo (http://www.neverending-echo.com) All Indians No Chiefs (http://nochiefs.net) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 10 lines Hi everyone, i'm new to the list and just figured

> Hi everyone, i'm new to the list and just figured > i'd say hi. Currently i > spin New Style Gabber, Terrorcore, Speedcore and > Breakcore. I want to get > into spinning IDM but am not sure where to look. > I'd prefer the darker > stuff if possible, but still on the mellow side. > Any suggestions on to who > to look for, where to get it would be really > appreciated. Thanks

My first inclination is to check out some of the stuff on Planet ? (www.planet-mu.com) - specifically, Phthalocyanine, Venetian Snares, Hellfish & Producer... er, that's about it. Not to piss anyone off, but some of the stuff on Autechre's "Confield" might fit the bill. Other than that, I'm not usually into this style, so I wouldn't know what else to suggest. .adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Thanks, some of the stuff that i really like know i got off of Wrecked (www.rhinoplex.org/wrecked). Somatic Response i really like i know cant' think of anyone else right now off hte top of my head. I love hellfish and Producer, infact i own the whole deathchant label and thats what i've been told is Terrorcore. I love V. Snares too, they're considered breakcore from what i can tell. I guess what i'm getting at is i'm trying to find more stuff like Somatic Response *shrug* I can list more artists when i get home and ddig thru things. Thanks =D Rich Warchild 781-376-1449 AIM: TheDJWarchild ICQ: 2021032 http://www.DJWarchild.Com Ruffneck Playaz Crew (http://www.ruffneckplayazcrew.com) Neverending Echo (http://www.neverending-echo.com) All Indians No Chiefs (http://nochiefs.net) ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [idm] New to the list

quoted 35 lines --- DJ Warchild <Warchild@djwarchild.com> wrote:

> --- DJ Warchild <Warchild@djwarchild.com> wrote: > > Hi everyone, i'm new to the list and just figured > > i'd say hi. Currently i > > spin New Style Gabber, Terrorcore, Speedcore and > > Breakcore. I want to get > > into spinning IDM but am not sure where to look. > > I'd prefer the darker > > stuff if possible, but still on the mellow side. > > Any suggestions on to who > > to look for, where to get it would be really > > appreciated. Thanks > > My first inclination is to check out some of the stuff > on Planet µ (www.planet-mu.com) - specifically, > Phthalocyanine, Venetian Snares, Hellfish & > Producer... er, that's about it. > > Not to piss anyone off, but some of the stuff on > Autechre's "Confield" might fit the bill. > > Other than that, I'm not usually into this style, so I > wouldn't know what else to suggest. > > .adam > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Once you get hooked in you'll probably dig all kinds of stuff. Somatic Responces is one of the best artists periods, so its hard to find people who'd measure up. But somewhat in that vein although not identical - Beefcake on Hymen D'Arcangelo on Orange Richard Devine on Schematic Jega "Geometry" LP but there's tons of stuff that's not similar, yet good. other shit that would appeal to idm & breakcore kids - chris clark lp on warp bogadan raczinski LPs (except the newest one) squarepusher - newest LP, and almost any curtis chip ep on zod emotional joystick ep on zod Kybernaut- The Stalker on flyco aphex twin "druqz" and "richard d james album" of course there's tons of "idm" that will mix half-time with hardcore/breakcore too. - cutups From: "DJ Warchild" <Warchild@djwarchild.com> To: "Adam Piontek" <adam@damek.org>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [idm] New to the list

quoted 3 lines Thanks, some of the stuff that i really like know i got off of Wrecked

> Thanks, some of the stuff that i really like know i got off of Wrecked > (www.rhinoplex.org/wrecked). Somatic Response i really like i know cant' > think of anyone else right now off hte top of my head. I love hellfish

and

quoted 2 lines Producer, infact i own the whole deathchant label and thats what i've been

> Producer, infact i own the whole deathchant label and thats what i've been > told is Terrorcore. I love V. Snares too, they're considered breakcore

from

quoted 2 lines what i can tell. I guess what i'm getting at is i'm trying to find more

> what i can tell. I guess what i'm getting at is i'm trying to find more > stuff like Somatic Response *shrug* I can list more artists when i get

home

quoted 61 lines and ddig thru things.

> and ddig thru things. > Thanks =D > > > Rich Warchild 781-376-1449 > AIM: TheDJWarchild ICQ: 2021032 > http://www.DJWarchild.Com > Ruffneck Playaz Crew (http://www.ruffneckplayazcrew.com) > Neverending Echo (http://www.neverending-echo.com) > All Indians No Chiefs (http://nochiefs.net) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:43 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] New to the list > > > > --- DJ Warchild <Warchild@djwarchild.com> wrote: > > > Hi everyone, i'm new to the list and just figured > > > i'd say hi. Currently i > > > spin New Style Gabber, Terrorcore, Speedcore and > > > Breakcore. I want to get > > > into spinning IDM but am not sure where to look. > > > I'd prefer the darker > > > stuff if possible, but still on the mellow side. > > > Any suggestions on to who > > > to look for, where to get it would be really > > > appreciated. Thanks > > > > My first inclination is to check out some of the stuff > > on Planet µ (www.planet-mu.com) - specifically, > > Phthalocyanine, Venetian Snares, Hellfish & > > Producer... er, that's about it. > > > > Not to piss anyone off, but some of the stuff on > > Autechre's "Confield" might fit the bill. > > > > Other than that, I'm not usually into this style, so I > > wouldn't know what else to suggest. > > > > .adam > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Has anybody else picked up the new Bjork album yet? I'm still in the middle of my "listen repeatedly" phase, but I'm really warming up to it. There's lots of great tracks and, as someone who studied voice and did a lot of non-western singing styles, I'm fascinated by what she did with the human voice. Most of the tracks are close to entirely vocal samples of various sorts, although some of these make use of digital transformations to create granular and oddly-pitched effects. I'm guessing that track 6 ("Who is it") will be her most accessible ballad-hit, while track 14 ("Triumph of a Heart") will be remixed for the dancefloor over and over. The album isn't for everyone, I suppose, but I'm really loving it. cheerio, Luis ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Politics is parlor tricks." -W. Jean --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I have yet to hear the new Bjork, but it's too bad that there are a lot of people out there who think she's done some amazingly new and original thing. Kracfive records was doing the same thing three years ago. Check out Original Instrument: http://www.kracfive.com/content/index.php?release=kfat009cd.htm On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 23:06:27 -0500, Luis-Manuel Garcia <lgarcia@uchicago.edu> wrote:

quoted 25 lines Has anybody else picked up the new Bjork album yet? I'm still in the

> > Has anybody else picked up the new Bjork album yet? I'm still in the > middle of my "listen repeatedly" phase, but I'm really warming up to > it. There's lots of great tracks and, as someone who studied voice and > did a lot of non-western singing styles, I'm fascinated by what she did > with the human voice. Most of the tracks are close to entirely vocal > samples of various sorts, although some of these make use of digital > transformations to create granular and oddly-pitched effects. I'm > guessing that track 6 ("Who is it") will be her most accessible > ballad-hit, while track 14 ("Triumph of a Heart") will be remixed for > the dancefloor over and over. The album isn't for everyone, I suppose, > but I'm really loving it. > > cheerio, > Luis > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "Politics is parlor tricks." > -W. Jean > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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new != better novelty != authenticity cheers, Luis On Sunday, September 5, 2004, at 09:09 AM, Alan Lucas wrote:

quoted 46 lines I have yet to hear the new Bjork, but it's too bad that there are a

> I have yet to hear the new Bjork, but it's too bad that there are a > lot of people out there who think she's done some amazingly new and > original thing. > > Kracfive records was doing the same thing three years ago. Check out > Original Instrument: > > http://www.kracfive.com/content/index.php?release=kfat009cd.htm > > > On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 23:06:27 -0500, Luis-Manuel Garcia > <lgarcia@uchicago.edu> wrote: >> >> Has anybody else picked up the new Bjork album yet? I'm still in the >> middle of my "listen repeatedly" phase, but I'm really warming up to >> it. There's lots of great tracks and, as someone who studied voice >> and >> did a lot of non-western singing styles, I'm fascinated by what she >> did >> with the human voice. Most of the tracks are close to entirely vocal >> samples of various sorts, although some of these make use of digital >> transformations to create granular and oddly-pitched effects. I'm >> guessing that track 6 ("Who is it") will be her most accessible >> ballad-hit, while track 14 ("Triumph of a Heart") will be remixed for >> the dancefloor over and over. The album isn't for everyone, I >> suppose, >> but I'm really loving it. >> >> cheerio, >> Luis >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> "Politics is parlor tricks." >> -W. Jean >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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You forgot first != best -- Tim Moore On Sep 5, 2004, at 10:43 AM, Luis-Manuel Garcia wrote:

quoted 66 lines new != better

> > new != better > > novelty != authenticity > > cheers, > Luis > > On Sunday, September 5, 2004, at 09:09 AM, Alan Lucas wrote: > >> I have yet to hear the new Bjork, but it's too bad that there are a >> lot of people out there who think she's done some amazingly new and >> original thing. >> >> Kracfive records was doing the same thing three years ago. Check out >> Original Instrument: >> >> http://www.kracfive.com/content/index.php?release=kfat009cd.htm >> >> >> On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 23:06:27 -0500, Luis-Manuel Garcia >> <lgarcia@uchicago.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Has anybody else picked up the new Bjork album yet? I'm still in the >>> middle of my "listen repeatedly" phase, but I'm really warming up to >>> it. There's lots of great tracks and, as someone who studied voice >>> and >>> did a lot of non-western singing styles, I'm fascinated by what she >>> did >>> with the human voice. Most of the tracks are close to entirely vocal >>> samples of various sorts, although some of these make use of digital >>> transformations to create granular and oddly-pitched effects. I'm >>> guessing that track 6 ("Who is it") will be her most accessible >>> ballad-hit, while track 14 ("Triumph of a Heart") will be remixed for >>> the dancefloor over and over. The album isn't for everyone, I >>> suppose, >>> but I'm really loving it. >>> >>> cheerio, >>> Luis >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --- >>> "Politics is parlor tricks." >>> -W. Jean >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > "Politics is parlour tricks." > -W. Jean > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Yup. I don't mean to poop on kracfive or anything; they may be superior artists in some regards. <soap box> But I did want to argue that we tend to paint ourselves into a corner with these arguments of primacy and novelty. On the one hand, we tend to value artists who came 'first' in a particular style or technique, which would suggest a valuation of history and the past. On the other hand, we tend to prize 'newness' and a typically modernist hostility to the past and anything that has already been done. As a result, we tend to celebrate an artists for 'creating' something new and different, but then we immediately dismiss their style or sound as 'out of bounds' for other artists (or even for the same artist later in life). There's a lot of beautiful and important cultural production that repeats and reuses previous work, and we--who listen to and enjoy music that is often looped, repetitive and made from samples of previous works--should be last to criticize. </soap box> OK. That's outta my system now. I'm gonna go rollerblading. Luis On Sunday, September 5, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Tim Moore wrote:

quoted 76 lines You forgot first != best

> You forgot first != best > -- Tim Moore > > On Sep 5, 2004, at 10:43 AM, Luis-Manuel Garcia wrote: > >> >> new != better >> >> novelty != authenticity >> >> cheers, >> Luis >> >> On Sunday, September 5, 2004, at 09:09 AM, Alan Lucas wrote: >> >>> I have yet to hear the new Bjork, but it's too bad that there are a >>> lot of people out there who think she's done some amazingly new and >>> original thing. >>> >>> Kracfive records was doing the same thing three years ago. Check out >>> Original Instrument: >>> >>> http://www.kracfive.com/content/index.php?release=kfat009cd.htm >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 23:06:27 -0500, Luis-Manuel Garcia >>> <lgarcia@uchicago.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Has anybody else picked up the new Bjork album yet? I'm still in >>>> the >>>> middle of my "listen repeatedly" phase, but I'm really warming up to >>>> it. There's lots of great tracks and, as someone who studied voice >>>> and >>>> did a lot of non-western singing styles, I'm fascinated by what she >>>> did >>>> with the human voice. Most of the tracks are close to entirely >>>> vocal >>>> samples of various sorts, although some of these make use of digital >>>> transformations to create granular and oddly-pitched effects. I'm >>>> guessing that track 6 ("Who is it") will be her most accessible >>>> ballad-hit, while track 14 ("Triumph of a Heart") will be remixed >>>> for >>>> the dancefloor over and over. The album isn't for everyone, I >>>> suppose, >>>> but I'm really loving it. >>>> >>>> cheerio, >>>> Luis >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ---- >>>> "Politics is parlor tricks." >>>> -W. Jean >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> "Politics is parlour tricks." >> -W. Jean >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >>

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On Sep 5, 2004, at 10:52 AM, Luis-Manuel Garcia wrote:

quoted 20 lines Yup. I don't mean to poop on kracfive or anything; they may be

> Yup. I don't mean to poop on kracfive or anything; they may be > superior artists in some regards. > > <soap box> > > But I did want to argue that we tend to paint ourselves into a corner > with these arguments of primacy and novelty. On the one hand, we tend > to value artists who came 'first' in a particular style or technique, > which would suggest a valuation of history and the past. On the other > hand, we tend to prize 'newness' and a typically modernist hostility > to the past and anything that has already been done. As a result, we > tend to celebrate an artists for 'creating' something new and > different, but then we immediately dismiss their style or sound as > 'out of bounds' for other artists (or even for the same artist later > in life). There's a lot of beautiful and important cultural > production that repeats and reuses previous work, and we--who listen > to and enjoy music that is often looped, repetitive and made from > samples of previous works--should be last to criticize. > > </soap box>

Also, there is the very real possibility that Bjork created her album without any knowledge whatsoever of this other artist. A lot of people think that all artists are tied in to some sort of cosmic mainframe and are aware of every other album ever existed. Some sounds, or genres, or similar artists are similar by mere chance. Not every artist is aware of every other release, and even if they heard some of these other bands... the influence might be subtle or completely unconscious. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

there's also parallel development where two people who don't know each other or have even heard of each other develop project that bear similarities and concepts. Obviously Bjork was aware of the all vocal experiment before making this album, she invited Robert Wyatt and also named checked Meredith Monk. Both artists that have done much with just vocals. Mingering Mike being the latest example. I think what's important is that Bjork drew folks that she sees as her contemporaries (i.e. Rahzel, that Eskimo throat singer (or is he tuvan?), wyatt, that japanese guy, a couple choirs) into her work. This is a pop album because it's not using the constraint of only using voices as an experiment, but rather as a way to make a rather enjoyable album that sounds very contemporary and well a lot like Bjork. It's conceptual conceit comes after aesthetics. - a On Sunday, September 5, 2004, at 03:36 PM, John/Slackonomics wrote:

quoted 38 lines On Sep 5, 2004, at 10:52 AM, Luis-Manuel Garcia wrote:

> On Sep 5, 2004, at 10:52 AM, Luis-Manuel Garcia wrote: > >> Yup. I don't mean to poop on kracfive or anything; they may be >> superior artists in some regards. >> >> <soap box> >> >> But I did want to argue that we tend to paint ourselves into a corner >> with these arguments of primacy and novelty. On the one hand, we >> tend to value artists who came 'first' in a particular style or >> technique, which would suggest a valuation of history and the past. >> On the other hand, we tend to prize 'newness' and a typically >> modernist hostility to the past and anything that has already been >> done. As a result, we tend to celebrate an artists for 'creating' >> something new and different, but then we immediately dismiss their >> style or sound as 'out of bounds' for other artists (or even for the >> same artist later in life). There's a lot of beautiful and important >> cultural production that repeats and reuses previous work, and >> we--who listen to and enjoy music that is often looped, repetitive >> and made from samples of previous works--should be last to criticize. >> >> </soap box> > > Also, there is the very real possibility that Bjork created her album > without any knowledge whatsoever of this other artist. A lot of > people think that all artists are tied in to some sort of cosmic > mainframe and are aware of every other album ever existed. Some > sounds, or genres, or similar artists are similar by mere chance. Not > every artist is aware of every other release, and even if they heard > some of these other bands... the influence might be subtle or > completely unconscious. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 7 lines Also, there is the very real possibility that Bjork created her album

> Also, there is the very real possibility that Bjork created her album > without any knowledge whatsoever of this other artist. A lot of people > think that all artists are tied in to some sort of cosmic mainframe and > are aware of every other album ever existed. Some sounds, or genres, > or similar artists are similar by mere chance. Not every artist is > aware of every other release, and even if they heard some of these > other bands... the influence might be subtle or completely unconscious.

funny. the same discussion took place a few weeks ago on one of the post-rock lists about whether godspeed influenced mogwai or the other way around. the truth is each probably evolved with no knowledge of the other. i0 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 9 lines I have yet to hear the new Bjork, but it's too bad that there are a

>I have yet to hear the new Bjork, but it's too bad that there are a >lot of people out there who think she's done some amazingly new and >original thing. > >Kracfive records was doing the same thing three years ago. Check out >Original Instrument: > >http://www.kracfive.com/content/index.php?release=kfat009cd.htm >

this is the same sort of thing i hear about radiohead's 'kid a'. the point is that it may not be new, but it's going to be new to their fans. it's going to open up the heads of a lot of people. plus, her doing it exposes vocalists like tagaq, shlomo, rahzel, and the others, to an audience that would never have heard of them (except maybe mike patton, but lots of people probably don't know about his experimental vocal work). in the 'medulla' documentary, bjork *knows* she's not doing something totally new. she says she left the rhythms unfinished until last, because she didn't want to do the "obvious" thing of having a beatboxer come in and put rhythm parts on it. to her this is all old news. to answer the other comment about how the vocals were done, it seems (again from the documentary) that most of them were complete live performances with minimal processing, not sampled/programmed. because of this, 'medulla' is a lot more "human"-sounding than the clips i've heard of the kracfive album. the live presence of the other singers (including the icelandic women's choir) turns this into a different project than something that just treats vocals as source material to be chopped up and treated. she also writes songs and melodies as opposed to rhythmic workouts (not that there's anything wrong with the latter). she may always be using different people (in fact 'vespertine' had 4 different artist/producers), but the end result is remarkably similar almost no matter who she works with. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sep 5, 2004, at 9:09 AM, Alan Lucas wrote:

quoted 6 lines I have yet to hear the new Bjork, but it's too bad that there are a

> I have yet to hear the new Bjork, but it's too bad that there are a > lot of people out there who think she's done some amazingly new and > original thing. > > Kracfive records was doing the same thing three years ago. Check out > Original Instrument:

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yeah and people thought the same thing when Radiohead released Kid A. At least Bjork hires or collaborates with her influences. - a On Sunday, September 5, 2004, at 10:09 AM, Alan Lucas wrote:

quoted 47 lines I have yet to hear the new Bjork, but it's too bad that there are a

> I have yet to hear the new Bjork, but it's too bad that there are a > lot of people out there who think she's done some amazingly new and > original thing. > > Kracfive records was doing the same thing three years ago. Check out > Original Instrument: > > http://www.kracfive.com/content/index.php?release=kfat009cd.htm > > > On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 23:06:27 -0500, Luis-Manuel Garcia > <lgarcia@uchicago.edu> wrote: >> >> Has anybody else picked up the new Bjork album yet? I'm still in the >> middle of my "listen repeatedly" phase, but I'm really warming up to >> it. There's lots of great tracks and, as someone who studied voice >> and >> did a lot of non-western singing styles, I'm fascinated by what she >> did >> with the human voice. Most of the tracks are close to entirely vocal >> samples of various sorts, although some of these make use of digital >> transformations to create granular and oddly-pitched effects. I'm >> guessing that track 6 ("Who is it") will be her most accessible >> ballad-hit, while track 14 ("Triumph of a Heart") will be remixed for >> the dancefloor over and over. The album isn't for everyone, I >> suppose, >> but I'm really loving it. >> >> cheerio, >> Luis >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> "Politics is parlor tricks." >> -W. Jean >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 3 lines yeah and people thought the same thing

>yeah and people thought the same thing >when Radiohead released Kid A. At least >Bjork hires or collaborates with her influences.

this was probably written before this person read the rest of the thread, but it gives me an opportunity to add something i forgot to mention to my post about kid a/amnesiac. radiohead did actually hire/collaborate with a jazz band on those albums, fully credited. plus the new jonny greenwood soundtrack was done with other jazz players. d.

quoted 53 lines On Sunday, September 5, 2004, at 10:09 AM, Alan Lucas wrote:

>On Sunday, September 5, 2004, at 10:09 AM, Alan Lucas wrote: > >>I have yet to hear the new Bjork, but it's too bad that there are a >>lot of people out there who think she's done some amazingly new and >>original thing. >> >>Kracfive records was doing the same thing three years ago. Check out >>Original Instrument: >> >>http://www.kracfive.com/content/index.php?release=kfat009cd.htm >> >> >>On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 23:06:27 -0500, Luis-Manuel Garcia >><lgarcia@uchicago.edu> wrote: >>> >>>Has anybody else picked up the new Bjork album yet? I'm still in the >>>middle of my "listen repeatedly" phase, but I'm really warming up to >>>it. There's lots of great tracks and, as someone who studied voice and >>>did a lot of non-western singing styles, I'm fascinated by what she did >>>with the human voice. Most of the tracks are close to entirely vocal >>>samples of various sorts, although some of these make use of digital >>>transformations to create granular and oddly-pitched effects. I'm >>>guessing that track 6 ("Who is it") will be her most accessible >>>ballad-hit, while track 14 ("Triumph of a Heart") will be remixed for >>>the dancefloor over and over. The album isn't for everyone, I suppose, >>>but I'm really loving it. >>> >>>cheerio, >>>Luis >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>"Politics is parlor tricks." >>> -W. Jean >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >Andrew Jones >912 Euclid Ave. >Birmingham, AL, 35213 >407-927-7607 >aim: liminal18 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 6 lines this was probably written before this person read the rest of the

> this was probably written before this person read the rest of the > thread, but it gives me an opportunity to add something i forgot to > mention to my post about kid a/amnesiac. radiohead did actually > hire/collaborate with a jazz band on those albums, fully credited. > plus the new jonny greenwood soundtrack was done with other jazz > players.

I have a feeling he meant the "IDM" aspects, not the jazz ones. -- :: atomly :: [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail atomly-news-subscribe@atomly.com for atomly info and updates ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tuesday, September 7, 2004, at 11:54 AM, atomly wrote:

quoted 12 lines [chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>]

> [chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>] >> this was probably written before this person read the rest of the >> thread, but it gives me an opportunity to add something i forgot to >> mention to my post about kid a/amnesiac. radiohead did actually >> hire/collaborate with a jazz band on those albums, fully credited. >> plus the new jonny greenwood soundtrack was done with other jazz >> players. > > I have a feeling he meant the "IDM" aspects, not the jazz ones. > > -- > :: atomly ::

that is true, but it is interesting Radiohead is hiring additional players. I actually have a little respect for them now. Now if they can just get a 1/2 decent electronica guy to make their shitty electronica tracks sound ok then we might be going somewhere. sometimes doing it yourself just doesn't work. - a

quoted 11 lines [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ...

> > [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ... > [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... > [ e-mail atomly-news-subscribe@atomly.com for atomly info and updates > ... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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I'm actually not familiar with this guy, but yeah Johnny Greenwood is a bad ass =) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/1194791.stm Peace, A On Tuesday, September 7, 2004, at 11:54 AM, andrew jones wrote:

quoted 54 lines On Tuesday, September 7, 2004, at 11:54 AM, atomly wrote:

> > On Tuesday, September 7, 2004, at 11:54 AM, atomly wrote: > >> [chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>] >>> this was probably written before this person read the rest of the >>> thread, but it gives me an opportunity to add something i forgot to >>> mention to my post about kid a/amnesiac. radiohead did actually >>> hire/collaborate with a jazz band on those albums, fully credited. >>> plus the new jonny greenwood soundtrack was done with other jazz >>> players. >> >> I have a feeling he meant the "IDM" aspects, not the jazz ones. >> >> -- >> :: atomly :: > > > that is true, but it is interesting Radiohead is hiring additional > players. > I actually have a little respect for them now. Now if they can just > get a 1/2 > decent electronica guy to make their shitty electronica tracks sound > ok then > we might be going somewhere. sometimes doing it yourself just doesn't > work. > > - > a > > > >> >> [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ... >> [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... >> [ e-mail atomly-news-subscribe@atomly.com for atomly info and updates >> ... >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > Andrew Jones > 912 Euclid Ave. > Birmingham, AL, 35213 > 407-927-7607 > aim: liminal18 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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hi all, i'm not all that old school in the IDM scene and I'm new to this list, but I thought I would say hi because that seems to be the appropriate thing to do on this sort of interweb thingamajig. I'm not a noob, I like the good stuff and I'm hoping to create a new ration station to replace the now defunct cliqhop... wish me luck :) -- burton samograd kruhft@gmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 18 Jan 2005 at 22:15, Burton Samograd wrote:

quoted 1 line wish me luck :)

> wish me luck :)

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What's up, all. I'm a noob here I just wanted to introduce myself. I've been into "IDM"/ambient music for about 10 years now. Some favorites are Autechre, Arovane, Bochum Welt, Lusine, Metamatics, Yasume, Nacht Plank, Electric Birds, Dead Eros, BoC, Kelpe, Loscil, O.S.T., Christ, Xela, Christian Kleine, Aphex, etc. I'm also really into ambient stuff like Stars of the Lid, Pan American, Bibio, Marsen Jules, Main, Ryan Teague and other sad-basard music ;]. I've been a drum&bass dj for around 6 years under the name Genome, living in San Francisco. I'm with Groundscore (we used to do Eklektic), Phuturo and Violence Recordings. I mostly got on this list to find out what's going on in San Francisco for IDM/Ambient music. It seems to me this city used to have a bit more going on, but since I've had my head up drum&bass' ass for the last few years I don't really know what's happening anymore. So if anybody could help point me in the direction of IDM/Ambient/Experimental promoters, djs, artists, producers, labels in San Francisco/Bay Area I would be grateful! I'm really just looking to find cool stuff going on and musically-like-minded people in this town. Thanks dudes! ---------------------------------- Dean J Grenier / Genome aim: genome2k www.themediakore.com <http://www.themediakore.com/> www.tintinnabuli.net <http://www.tintinnabuli.net/> www.phuturo.com <http://www.phuturo.com/> www.groundscore.net <http://www.groundscore.net/> www.violencerecordings.com <http://www.violencerecordings.com/> www.myspace.com/deanome

http://www.dalycityrecords.com/bbs/ -----Original Message----- From: dean genome [mailto:deanome@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 4:03 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] new to the list What's up, all. I'm a noob here I just wanted to introduce myself. I've been into "IDM"/ambient music for about 10 years now. Some favorites are Autechre, Arovane, Bochum Welt, Lusine, Metamatics, Yasume, Nacht Plank, Electric Birds, Dead Eros, BoC, Kelpe, Loscil, O.S.T., Christ, Xela, Christian Kleine, Aphex, etc. I'm also really into ambient stuff like Stars of the Lid, Pan American, Bibio, Marsen Jules, Main, Ryan Teague and other sad-basard music ;]. I've been a drum&bass dj for around 6 years under the name Genome, living in San Francisco. I'm with Groundscore (we used to do Eklektic), Phuturo and Violence Recordings. I mostly got on this list to find out what's going on in San Francisco for IDM/Ambient music. It seems to me this city used to have a bit more going on, but since I've had my head up drum&bass' ass for the last few years I don't really know what's happening anymore. So if anybody could help point me in the direction of IDM/Ambient/Experimental promoters, djs, artists, producers, labels in San Francisco/Bay Area I would be grateful! I'm really just looking to find cool stuff going on and musically-like-minded people in this town. Thanks dudes! ---------------------------------- Dean J Grenier / Genome aim: genome2k www.themediakore.com <http://www.themediakore.com/> www.tintinnabuli.net <http://www.tintinnabuli.net/> www.phuturo.com <http://www.phuturo.com/> www.groundscore.net <http://www.groundscore.net/> www.violencerecordings.com <http://www.violencerecordings.com/> www.myspace.com/deanome --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org