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2002-01-17 07:00[idm] telefon tel aviv
└─ 2002-01-17 19:23i Re: [idm] telefon tel aviv / idm is dead
2002-01-17 15:17rw Re: [idm] telefon tel aviv
└─ 2002-01-17 16:15Adam Piontek [idm] Re: 'idm is dead'
2002-01-17 21:15Armchair Charlie [idm] Re: 'idm is dead'
2002-01-18 13:25Gabriel J. Weinstock Re: [idm] Re: 'idm is dead'
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2002-01-17 07:00Jc105776@aol.comjust saw this band and was thoroughly unimpressed. idm is dead. -d -----------------------
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just saw this band and was thoroughly unimpressed. idm is dead. -d --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-01-17 19:23iDidn't you get that memo? IDM has been declared "dead" to allow the 80s to come back in fa
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Didn't you get that memo? IDM has been declared "dead" to allow the 80s to come back in fashion, and no, not just the good parts (like electro) the shite parts too! I'm dusting off my puke green velure Crombie coat right now and having my don johnson miami vice style clothing dry cleaned as we speak. Yes, I am expecting several punches to the face.... :) -i --- Jc105776@aol.com wrote:
quoted 3 lines just saw this band and was thoroughly unimpressed. idm is dead.> just saw this band and was thoroughly unimpressed. idm is dead. > > -d
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2002-01-17 15:17rwI assume you were at the Minneapolis show as well. Why didn't you say hi? To each his own
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I assume you were at the Minneapolis show as well. Why didn't you say hi? To each his own I guess, I thought they were quite good. I love where they are going with melding electronics with tradional instrumentation. Nice guys too. rw ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jc105776@aol.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:00 AM Subject: [idm] telefon tel aviv
quoted 9 lines just saw this band and was thoroughly unimpressed. idm is dead.> just saw this band and was thoroughly unimpressed. idm is dead. > > -d > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2002-01-17 16:15Adam PiontekWhy is telefon tel aviv "idm"... Aren't they just making music? Honestly, if we're gonna i
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Why is telefon tel aviv "idm"... Aren't they just making music? Honestly, if we're gonna insist on using "idm" as a genre, shouldn't we decide on exactly what the genre is? I mean, there are so many artists and styles under that one umbrella term that it really is meaningless. Therefore, it is meaningless to say it's dead... Given that 'idm' grew out of the early Warp AI series sound, which Autechre now sounds nothing like, and Telefon Tel Aviv are nothing like either the early AI sound or recent Autechre, how are all of these things 'idm'? No wonder the MTV kiddies get confused about all this stuff... at least indie rawk has a relatively coherent sound such that the unofficial moniker has some semblance of a meaning when you say it to someone. I could tell you I like idm and you might think I mean Lali Puna when in fact I mean Merzbow ... sheesh! Let's get some cultural coherence and agreement going on so we can all stop making statements like 'idm is dead' without meaning something! BTW, I mean none of this. --- rw <rw@goldengate.net> wrote:
quoted 18 lines I assume you were at the Minneapolis show as well.> I assume you were at the Minneapolis show as well. > Why didn't you say hi? > > To each his own I guess, I thought they were quite > good. I love where they > are going with melding electronics with tradional > instrumentation. Nice > guys too. > > rw > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jc105776@aol.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:00 AM > Subject: [idm] telefon tel aviv > > > just saw this band and was thoroughly unimpressed. > idm is dead.
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2002-01-17 21:15Armchair Charlie>Why is telefon tel aviv "idm"... Aren't they just >making music? > >Honestly, if we're go
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quoted 8 lines Why is telefon tel aviv "idm"... Aren't they just>Why is telefon tel aviv "idm"... Aren't they just >making music? > >Honestly, if we're gonna insist on using "idm" as a >genre, shouldn't we decide on exactly what the genre >is? I mean, there are so many artists and styles >under that one umbrella term that it really is >meaningless.
One thing I like about this genre is its variety. You tend to get a mosaic of sounds coming from all different styles and ideals of electronic music and otherwise. I'd say that there are a few key elements and pillars that can establish idm as a credible genre. But obviously it's not as easy as pegging Omni Trio as dnb or Daft Punk as house. The glitch is something that's always been present. Some people tend to use it as a gestural brushstroke (Telefon Tel Aviv), and some base their sound and song solely upon it (Oval). Also, probably 50% of the artists create (or try to create) a very convincing, well-thought-out melodic structure, processed and warped as it may be. And then, with all this potential silliness, it's really easy to get caught up in making fun of the music while still maintaining an homage to it (Cex, Otto Von Schirach). I think what gets pegged as idm is very dependent on the label it's released on. Hefty is generally thought of as an idm label, with some live instrumental post-rock lean. I think Schematic is usually labeled as a post-Autechre idm label. Planet-Mu drill'n'bass/idm, Tigerbeat: dsp/idm, Force-Inc: minimal techno/idm, deFocus: early-sounding idm, and on and on. Then it gets blurry when you bring in a name like Nitemares on Wax, who records on Warp, but is probably not acknowledged as an idm act (because they lack the glitch maybe?). With all the cross-genre happenings in idm today, it's not a surprise that it's started to catch on in the past year or so. The variety makes it easy to recruit new fans. Joe Blow only listens to indie rock. Joe Blow hears some Four Tet by chance and thinks it's pretty interesting. In turn, Joe Blow ends up digging Marumari, Boards of Canada and Phoenecia (Confield's still a bit much though). Goth Hideous only listens to Skinny Puppy. Goth Hideous hears a rather scary and morbid track by Richard Devine. In turn, Goth Hideous goes and checks out Mu-Ziq, Speedy, and eventually gets a hair-cut, buys some non-black jeans and an orange t-shirt. Before you know it, Goth Hideous ends up snuggling up by the fire with his new K&D-lovin' chill-out honey with some TTA lulling in the background. So even if you're pretty buried in your own genre, chances are there will be some idm track you can groove to, simply because there's so much to choose from. But the variety can be interpreted as a bad thing, and bad things can potentially come with it. I host a local radio show where I play mainly what I would consider to be idm/abstract electronics. Not many people locally know what to call the type of music I play. What's sort of aggravating is that whenever I play a track by Crane A.K., people will call and request more straightforward tech-house tracks. And when I play something with a lot of atmosphere, people will call and request Shpongle and Robert Rich. It sucks to turn down requests like that, but I really try to stick to a specific format and do my best not to go off on tangents. People don't seem to understand why I would turn down a request for Biosphere when five minutes earlier I played something off SAW2. And I really don't have a good reason for doing so either. But that's just an example of how certain tracks and artists of the genre can suck in different kinds of listeners. I don't think Telefon Tel Aviv has the influence to kill idm, neither does Bjork, neither does Radiohead, neither does a misspelled cornfield or a sloppily prepared piano doodling. If anything, I'd say idm is bigger than ever (in the US anyways). When in the past could you have seen Marumari and Mouse on Mars in light rotation on MTV2? If it's suddenly cool for Justin Timberlake to beatbox like an epileptic droid, then it's probably cool to like idm. -char _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-01-18 13:25Gabriel J. Weinstockmy bad... I thought it was the "isn't-the-genre-name-IDM-pretentious" argument. No, I didn
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my bad... I thought it was the "isn't-the-genre-name-IDM-pretentious" argument. No, I didn't bother to read, yes, it was a stupid post, and all I can offer in my defense is that around 4:45 pm as the work day begins to close and after having been staring at my laptop for 8 hours, I tend to go off half cocked. my bad. g. On Thursday 17 January 2002 08:50 pm, you wrote:
quoted 19 lines I log on for 5 months off after having been on and off since 96 and WE'RE> >I log on for 5 months off after having been on and off since 96 and WE'RE > >STILL HAVING THIS BLASTED DISCUSSION??? > >just drop it. it's beyond a dead horse. > >g. > > What discussion? Telefon Tel Aviv wasn't around in '96. I was commenting > on how idm has gotten a lot more variety over the past year or so, in case > you didn't bother to read. You couldn't have had that discussion in '96. > > And if there's anything I'm really tired of hearing about on the list, it's > when unhappy people like yourself feel the need to exclaim to the whole > list what shouldn't be discussed. THAT'S a dead horse. Seriously, like > 50% of all the posts on the list are from someone making known what they're > tired of reading about. Now swallow. That's right... > > -char > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
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