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2001-10-28 18:30Peer [idm] Eno's opinion of 'computer music'
2001-10-28 19:01somrux Re: [idm] Eno's opinion of 'computer music'
└─ 2001-10-28 20:34Danny [idm] The Rantings of a Bitter Old Man (was "Eno's opinion of 'computer music'")
└─ 2001-10-29 09:10Irene McC Re: [idm] The Rantings of a Bitter Old Man (was "Eno's opinion of 'computer music'")
└─ 2001-10-29 14:32Mxyzptlk Re: [idm] The Rantings of a Bitter Old Man (was "Eno's opinion of 'computer music'")
2001-10-28 23:29George Williamson Re: [idm] The Rantings of a Bitter Old Man (was "Eno's opinion of 'computer music'")
└─ 2001-10-28 23:50Andrij Re: [idm] The Rantings of a Bitter Old Man (was "Eno's opinion of 'computer music'")
└─ 2001-10-31 23:37i Re: [idm] The Rantings of a Bitter Old Man (was "Eno's opinion of 'computer music'")
└─ 2001-10-31 23:40post consumer lawn gnome Re: [idm] The Rantings of a Bitter Old Man (was "Eno's opinion of 'computer music'")
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2001-10-28 18:30Peerhttp://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,47670,00.html just came across this.. interesting
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http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,47670,00.html just came across this.. interesting article. i can't completely disagree with his opinion with regards to some of the current trends. but all computer-reliant music can't be so summarily categorized and dismissed, likening it to the wah-wah pedal. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-28 19:01somruxPeer wrote: i can't completely disagree with his opinion with regards to some of the curre
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Peer wrote: i can't completely disagree with his opinion with regards to some of the current trends. ---- Neither can I, but I disagree with about 90% of what I read in that article just now. You're right - Eno seemed to pretty much rake all computer-produced music into the 'it sucks' pile, which is just lame IMO. I figured that he'd be a bit more open-minded about it... Oh well. -somrux. http://www.somrux.com ---- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peer" <indecentrobotexposure@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: [idm] Eno's opinion of 'computer music'
quoted 7 lines > http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,47670,00.html > > > just came across this.. interesting article. i can't completely disagree > with his opinion with regards to some of the current trends. but all > computer-reliant music can't be so summarily categorized and dismissed, > likening it to the wah-wah pedal.
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2001-10-28 20:34DannyThat interview is just another example of Eno being bitter about the fact that he hasn't a
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That interview is just another example of Eno being bitter about the fact that he hasn't aged well. In the 70's, Eno was innovative.. but somewhere along the line (I'd say around the mid-to-late 80's), he lost his touch. There was a time when he was cutting-edge, changing the direction of the music world.. but for the past 15 years, he's been trendhopping and playing catch-up (see also: David Bowie). New styles come along and he just can't adapt. He talked a bunch of shit about how mechanical and soulless 80's pop was.. but listen to his 1990 album, "Wrong Way Up". Most of it sounds like it was recorded with him and John Cale singing over demo tunes from a $59.95 Casio keyboard at BestBuy. Nice hypocrisy, Brian. Just because you suck at something doesn't make it an inferior style of music. Brian Eno just isn't relevant anymore. Unfortunately, it seems like he'll be the last person to realize that. Quit your playa hating, Mr. Eno, and just quietly go away. At 01:01 PM 10/28/2001 -0600, somrux wrote:
quoted 4 lines Neither can I, but I disagree with about 90% of what I read in that article>Neither can I, but I disagree with about 90% of what I read in that article >just now. You're right - Eno seemed to pretty much rake all >computer-produced music into the 'it sucks' pile, which is just lame IMO. I >figured that he'd be a bit more open-minded about it... Oh well.
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2001-10-29 09:10Irene McCOn 28 Oct 2001, at 15:34, Danny wrote: > but listen to his 1990 album, "Wrong Way Up". You
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On 28 Oct 2001, at 15:34, Danny wrote:
quoted 1 line but listen to his 1990 album, "Wrong Way Up".> but listen to his 1990 album, "Wrong Way Up".
You're right - most of it's total cr*p, except for Footsteps, which still rates as 3 minutes of bliss in my book, even now.
quoted 1 line Quit your playa hating> Quit your playa hating
Can somebody please explain this expression to me? Sorry, I'm of German origin and live in South Africa, and just haven't ever quite understood what this means. Thank you! I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-29 14:32Mxyzptlk> > > Quit your playa hating > >Can somebody please explain this expression to me? Sorry,
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quoted 6 lines Quit your playa hating> > > Quit your playa hating > >Can somebody please explain this expression to me? Sorry, I'm of >German origin and live in South Africa, and just haven't ever quite >understood what this means.
I take it to be a great example of dramatic irony. It works like this : when someone says something you don't like or (more to the point) dismisses something in which you find value, you accuse them of "hating" - which, of course, is a major violation of the new moral code in a world where *everything* must be embraced with fervor (we do SO love these days, do we not?). Never mind that this is a genuinely silly way to define "hating". What's far more interesting is that the person lobbing the accusation is (using the same skewed understanding of "hate") certainly at least as guilty of the unconscionable crime as the accused and should also lose points for kowtowing to the concept and/or jumping on the trendy-term bandwagon. Having said all of that, allow me to clarify that in so doing I have not "hated" anyone here. I didn't even go back through my trash to see who it was who used to the phrase in question - I am merely commenting on the use of the phrase per se as I see it. Yes. I love everyone and everything. Dammit. Next time around I shall discuss the etymological significance of "playa" as it appears on the hermeneutical horizon we call email. loving and not playing, jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-28 23:29George WilliamsonIf you read the article though you realise that he doesn't cite any particular artists, ra
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If you read the article though you realise that he doesn't cite any particular artists, rather the bland sweeping use of electronics in music, which, it must be said, can lead to a generic style and lack of interesting direction in music. Perhaps he has not heard anything good, as the majority of mainstream computer produced music is shit, being the generic trance/house anthems that we elitist fucks bleat on about being shite. I believe most of us here would agree with Eno to a certain extent. However he is getting old and the older that "groundbreaking" artists become the more they start to believe that their music is the only kind with any merit (see most chats with stockhausen to confirm this). The whole generative Vs. crafted music thing will continue to run forever, untill someone writes a program that can make trully inspirational and deeply individual tunes at the drop of a hat, crafted music will continue to win mainstream appeal. Not to say a club with no DJ's, but a continuous shifting soundscape with beats that constantly and seamlessly shuffle around into different and yet acoustically appealing configurations, wouldn't kick ass. georgewilliamson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-28 23:50AndrijOn Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 11:29:03PM -0000, George Williamson wrote: > If you read the artic
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On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 11:29:03PM -0000, George Williamson wrote:
quoted 4 lines If you read the article though you realise that he doesn't cite any> If you read the article though you realise that he doesn't cite any > particular artists, rather the bland sweeping use of electronics in music, > which, it must be said, can lead to a generic style and lack of interesting > direction in music.
It's amazing how much you people are reading into a single sentence. He said *nothing* about electronics in music. In fact, we have no idea what he said (note the parenthesis). Computer-reliant producers could mean anything. A thing worth noting that "producers" and "musicians" or "artists" are not the same or interchangable. There is also no qualitative definition of "computer-reliant." If you listen to Lenny Kravitz's last album (the one with his ever-present in TV commercials cover of "American Woman"), you really can hear that it was hand-crafted in Pro Tools. -- andrij. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-31 23:37iI agree, it seems more like an advert for his new album more than anything else, also when
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I agree, it seems more like an advert for his new album more than anything else, also when was the last time anyone on this list took musical information from wired.com articles??? come on people, their "culture" section reads like an advertising pullout, circle the company you'd like to know more about this week, i.e. who's paying Terra-lycos to advertise, speaking of did anyone read or have thoughts about that piece in XLR8R about how Astralwerks "paid for" (in kind via large ads) all the good reviews of the Daft Punks Discovery album? ! --- Andrij <andrij@misrule.org> wrote:
quoted 15 lines It's amazing how much you people are reading into a single sentence. He said> It's amazing how much you people are reading into a single sentence. He said > *nothing* about electronics in music. In fact, we have no idea what he said > (note the parenthesis). Computer-reliant producers could mean anything. A > thing > worth noting that "producers" and "musicians" or "artists" are not the same > or > interchangable. There is also no qualitative definition of > "computer-reliant." > If you listen to Lenny Kravitz's last album (the one with his ever-present in > TV commercials cover of "American Woman"), you really can hear that it was > hand-crafted in Pro Tools. > > -- > andrij. >
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2001-10-31 23:40post consumer lawn gnomeOn Wed, 31 Oct 2001, i wrote: > or have thoughts about that piece in XLR8R about how Astra
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, i wrote:
quoted 2 lines or have thoughts about that piece in XLR8R about how Astralwerks "paid for" (in> or have thoughts about that piece in XLR8R about how Astralwerks "paid for" (in > kind via large ads) all the good reviews of the Daft Punks Discovery album?
thats an unfortunate, yet common practice in most facets of the entertainment industry. suxxx poo. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org