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2001-10-30 08:30Pjotr Stam> I really try to keep my general comments at bay most times, > but if you take > all the

From:: Pjotr Stam <fredscape@rocketmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:30:11 +0000 (GMT)
Subject:: [idm] Re: Emotion (was Re: Brian Eno....etc.)

quoted 6 lines I really try to keep my general comments at bay most times,

> I really try to keep my general comments at bay most times, > but if you take > all the IDM ever recorded and find out what percentage of it > does have > "emotion", I know it wouldnt be over 10%. >

How can you ever say something (besides a living creature) has emotion? Nothing lifeless has emotion (this is a nice debate for philosophers :), but it can trigger an emotion... Maybe some record annoys the hell out of you, and you state that it 'has no emotion'...while it can make me seriously happy when I listen to it... As I say...it's just what you get out of it.

quoted 5 lines Its what one gets out of it yeah

> Its what one gets out of it yeah > sure, but Pjotr......the most who get emotion outta IDm are > those people who > were never truly in-to their emotions.... >

Why do you think someone who's truly into IDM (and for the record, I also enjoy LOTS of other music ranging from jazz tot Irish Folk to classical!) is emotionally changellenged just because you get an emotion from it?!

quoted 5 lines that's why many opted for the

> that's why many opted for the > Intelligent phrase in IDM.....not felt dance music or > emotionally expressed > dance music or otherwise..... >

I was into 'IDM' before I ever heard of the phrase 'IDM'... Pjotr. ===== Pjotr Stam || teccie@mindless.com http://www.fredscape.com Den Haag, The Netherlands "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." ===== Pjotr Stam || teccie@mindless.com http://www.fredscape.com Den Haag, The Netherlands "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." ____________________________________________________________ Nokia Game is on again. Go to http://uk.yahoo.com/nokiagame/ and join the new all media adventure before November 3rd. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-10-30 14:17Adam Piontek--- Pjotr Stam <fredscape@rocketmail.com> wrote: > How can you ever say something (besides

From:: Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 06:17:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: [idm] robot dogs (was Re: Emotion (was Re: Brian Eno....etc.))
Reply to:: [idm] Re: Emotion (was Re: Brian Eno....etc.)

--- Pjotr Stam <fredscape@rocketmail.com> wrote:

quoted 5 lines How can you ever say something (besides a living

> How can you ever say something (besides a living > creature) has > emotion? Nothing lifeless has emotion (this is a > nice debate for > philosophers :), but it can trigger an emotion...

I just started reading "The Complete Robot" last night for about the 4th time ever - excellent collection of Asimov stories, everyone should read it. Anyways, the first story is a very short affair about a family on the moon whose only child has had up til now a robot dog. They finally have the money to bring a real dog to the moon, the first dog on the moon, and their little kid doesn't want it. They try to explain to him that "Robutt" (robot mutt) isn't real, that its love isn't real, and that he'll know the difference when he finally gets the new, real dog. But the kid just hugs his robutt even harder and starts crying that he doesn't want to lose it. And the robutt starts wagging its tail faster and making its 'beep' noise faster, because it's never been held so tight before. Love (read: emotion) isn't about real or fake or "alive" or "inanimate" - it's about what satisfies and fulfills you. It's about the personal relationship you develop over time with whatever it is. When you get right down to it, if the music one listens to now doesn't satisfy and fulfill, maybe one needs to shop around more. Eno doesn't like what he hears - fine. So he makes his own stuff. Good for him. -Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

[idm] Re: Emotion (was Re: Brian Eno....etc.)