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2001-09-26 05:58proxymail [idm] tooting my own horn
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2001-09-26 05:58proxymaili'm not saying i got the best music in the world or nothin like that. i know anybody can p
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i'm not saying i got the best music in the world or nothin like that. i know anybody can put stuff on mp3.com i've had my music on the internet since 96 and have been making computerized music since before the commodore 64. my first computer i made music on was a radio shack trs 80. i seen and played with a 303 around when they first came out i think i was 11 years old it was the most awesome thing i ever played with. getting those squalling sounds out of it. i was going to buy it but bought a bike instead. then when rubber duck came out i tried it. tracks that i have that use rubber duck are rocket head blues (this one has the same beat all the way through and suks) funk bucket(i dont like this one) ooh(i dont like this one) some tracks that may interest u guys are are you there(my best music peice when it gets past the talking and) salt river shard castles(example of how bluegrass makes for good acid melodies) hey hey blue hay grass n bass mix(listen to hey pure straight off the adat afterwards) spaztikohmphiltrazion(too long but ends good) laser beams (from an earlier post i heard this song in my head before i made it) flower faces (i done this song by just messing around to get the sounds i wanted) i just got a bad review from someone **************************************************************************** ************ your music is not good, your production is very lo-fi without being intentional, ---they probably listened to lo fi or some of my acoustic stuff that was supposed to be raw sounding your MIDI production and sequencing are not tight and unprofessional. ---how does he/she know i used midi the arrangements make no sense. ---duh your choice of sounds and textures are not consistent with each other, and everything to so scattered and messy, sometimes cliche. ---wtf not that mixing blue grass, blues, psychedelics, and electronics is a bad idea. all mixures of different types of music should work, as long as they are done right. your concept is good, but your ideas and final utcome are mediocre. -- do i see a conflicting statement here **************************************************************************** ************* i dont just mix these types of music i only have threee songs that have bluegrass in them i play all my own instruments write all my own music except salt river shard castles has the melody from salt creek i do all my own programming i do have a few songs in which i use drum loops but most beats are chopped up and re sequenced or drum samples sequenced or i even play the kit myself darren carruso plays the jimbay on weed eater hes a badass drummer but this is a funky bluegrass song one song which kinda sucks strip job grease i wrote a c program that done the vocoding in this song my vocoder sucks cause i use filters that replicate analog electronic circuit mathematics ffts are much better anyways hope you guys dont ban me ps i think aphex stole my spoke samples for gwarek2 just kidding --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-26 06:39The soul that createsI dont mean to bust your balls....but if you cant handle listeners constructive criticism
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I dont mean to bust your balls....but if you cant handle listeners constructive criticism with respect and maybe even advise, with out responding in such a defensive way...as if your right and there opinion is wrong...then you're in the wrong business. I guess you can post whatever you want like the rest of us....but you blowing your horn so hard is bound to get mass flaming....and is certainly, from my point of view not a very good way get support. Esspecially when you talk about how much you suck....I dont get it....seems like you have some fessing up to do with yourself. Good luck, xh --- proxymail <wavex@mounet.com> wrote:
quoted 43 lines i'm not saying i got the best music in the world> i'm not saying i got the best music in the world > or nothin like that. i know anybody can put stuff on > mp3.com > i've had my music on the internet since 96 and have > been making > computerized music since before the commodore 64. > my first computer i made music on was a radio shack > trs 80. > i seen and played with a 303 around when they first > came out i think > i was 11 years old it was the most awesome thing i > ever played with. > getting those squalling sounds out of it. i was > going to buy it but > bought a bike instead. then when rubber duck came > out i tried it. > tracks that i have that use rubber duck are > > rocket head blues (this one has the same beat all > the way through and suks) > funk bucket(i dont like this one) > ooh(i dont like this one) > > some tracks that may interest u guys are > are you there(my best music peice when it gets past > the talking and) > salt river shard castles(example of how bluegrass > makes for good acid > melodies) > hey hey blue hay grass n bass mix(listen to hey pure > straight off the adat > afterwards) > spaztikohmphiltrazion(too long but ends good) > laser beams (from an earlier post i heard this song > in my head before i made > it) > flower faces (i done this song by just messing > around to get the sounds i > wanted) > > > i just got a bad review from someone >
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quoted 31 lines ************> ************ > your music is not good, your production is very > lo-fi without being > intentional, > ---they probably listened to lo fi or some of my > acoustic stuff that was > supposed to be raw sounding > > your MIDI production and sequencing are not tight > and unprofessional. > ---how does he/she know i used midi > > the arrangements make no sense. > ---duh > > > your choice of sounds and textures are not > consistent with each other, and > everything to so scattered and messy, sometimes > cliche. > ---wtf > > not that mixing blue grass, blues, psychedelics, and > electronics is a bad > idea. all mixures of different types of music > should work, as long as they > are done right. your concept is good, but your > ideas and final utcome are > mediocre. > -- do i see a conflicting statement here >
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quoted 34 lines *************> ************* > > i dont just mix these types of music i only have > threee songs that have > bluegrass in them > > i play all my own instruments > write all my own music except salt river shard > castles > has the melody from salt creek > i do all my own programming > i do have a few songs in which i use drum loops > but most beats are chopped up and re sequenced or > drum samples sequenced or > i even play the kit myself darren carruso plays the > jimbay on weed eater hes > a badass drummer but this is a funky bluegrass song > one song which kinda sucks > strip job grease i wrote a c program that done the > vocoding in this song > my vocoder sucks cause i use filters that replicate > analog electronic > circuit mathematics > ffts are much better > > anyways hope you guys dont ban me > > ps > i think aphex stole my spoke samples for gwarek2 > just kidding > > > >
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2001-09-26 07:51proxymail>I dont mean to bust your balls....but if you cant >handle listeners constructive criticis
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quoted 5 lines I dont mean to bust your balls....but if you cant>I dont mean to bust your balls....but if you cant >handle listeners constructive criticism with respect >and maybe even advise, with out responding in such a >defensive way...as if your right and there opinion is >wrong...then you're in the wrong business.
i can handle good criticizm but for him to say my music is no good well thats not good criticizm thats negative if he would have said i dont like your music then that would be better i think all music is good even if i dont like it.
quoted 4 lines I guess you can post whatever you want like the rest>I guess you can post whatever you want like the rest >of us....but you blowing your horn so hard is bound to >get mass flaming....and is certainly, from my point of >view not a very good way get support.
quoted 3 lines Esspecially when you talk about how much you suck....I>Esspecially when you talk about how much you suck....I >dont get it....seems like you have some fessing up to >do with yourself.
some of my music does suck to me but other people really like the songs that i think sucks
quoted 2 lines Good luck,>Good luck, >xh
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2001-09-26 07:17killog123@juno.comdude, did you make this shit up ? fucking genious! > i'm not saying i got the best music i
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dude, did you make this shit up ? fucking genious!
quoted 43 lines i'm not saying i got the best music in the world> i'm not saying i got the best music in the world > or nothin like that. i know anybody can put stuff on > mp3.com > i've had my music on the internet since 96 and have > been making > computerized music since before the commodore 64. > my first computer i made music on was a radio shack > trs 80. > i seen and played with a 303 around when they first > came out i think > i was 11 years old it was the most awesome thing i > ever played with. > getting those squalling sounds out of it. i was > going to buy it but > bought a bike instead. then when rubber duck came > out i tried it. > tracks that i have that use rubber duck are > > rocket head blues (this one has the same beat all > the way through and suks) > funk bucket(i dont like this one) > ooh(i dont like this one) > > some tracks that may interest u guys are > are you there(my best music peice when it gets past > the talking and) > salt river shard castles(example of how bluegrass > makes for good acid > melodies) > hey hey blue hay grass n bass mix(listen to hey pure > straight off the adat > afterwards) > spaztikohmphiltrazion(too long but ends good) > laser beams (from an earlier post i heard this song > in my head before i made > it) > flower faces (i done this song by just messing > around to get the sounds i > wanted) > > > i just got a bad review from someone >
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quoted 31 lines ************> ************ > your music is not good, your production is very > lo-fi without being > intentional, > ---they probably listened to lo fi or some of my > acoustic stuff that was > supposed to be raw sounding > > your MIDI production and sequencing are not tight > and unprofessional. > ---how does he/she know i used midi > > the arrangements make no sense. > ---duh > > > your choice of sounds and textures are not > consistent with each other, and > everything to so scattered and messy, sometimes > cliche. > ---wtf > > not that mixing blue grass, blues, psychedelics, and > electronics is a bad > idea. all mixures of different types of music > should work, as long as they > are done right. your concept is good, but your > ideas and final utcome are > mediocre. > -- do i see a conflicting statement here >
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quoted 31 lines *************> ************* > > i dont just mix these types of music i only have > threee songs that have > bluegrass in them > > i play all my own instruments > write all my own music except salt river shard > castles > has the melody from salt creek > i do all my own programming > i do have a few songs in which i use drum loops > but most beats are chopped up and re sequenced or > drum samples sequenced or > i even play the kit myself darren carruso plays the > jimbay on weed eater hes > a badass drummer but this is a funky bluegrass song > one song which kinda sucks > strip job grease i wrote a c program that done the > vocoding in this song > my vocoder sucks cause i use filters that replicate > analog electronic > circuit mathematics > ffts are much better > > anyways hope you guys dont ban me > > ps > i think aphex stole my spoke samples for gwarek2 > just kidding >
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2001-09-26 07:21proxymail-----Original Message----- From: killog123@juno.com [mailto:killog123@juno.com] Sent: Wedn
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-----Original Message----- From: killog123@juno.com [mailto:killog123@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 3:17 AM To: wells@submute.net Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] tooting my own horn dude, did you make this shit up ? fucking genious! yeah thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-26 08:24Mark> i can handle good criticizm but for him to say my music > is no good well thats not good
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quoted 8 lines i can handle good criticizm but for him to say my music> i can handle good criticizm but for him to say my music > is no good well thats not good criticizm thats negative > if he would have said i dont like your music then that > would be better > > i think all music is good even if i dont > like it. >
Your latter statement is somewhat true, from a subjective point of view, but there is also truth into objectively quantifying some music as well. Autechre's Cichli and the ring of my cell phone both can be classified as music, but it's easily quantifiable from a quality standpoint. I think Cichli has more melodic, emotional and textural entertainment value than 95% of music out there, let alone a cell phone ring. Given this, you must understand that your critic wasn't wrong in pointing out some negative aspects of your music. Don't lump his supported opinions (by support, i mean he gave you specific examples, nearly in outline form!) into one statement, but instead take it as advice, and one's concern for another's music. Granted, I haven't heard a note of what you've written, nor do I care, but please don't close your mind to what other people may think. You and your friends, who are most likely in biased awe of your production, aren't the only audience in the world. And if you keep attacking everything anyone on this list says with slander, you'll get nothing but slander back. -Mark --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-26 08:36proxymail-----Original Message----- From: Mark [mailto:mef@ecst.csuchico.edu] Sent: Wednesday, Sept
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quoted 3 lines Your latter statement is somewhat true, from a subjective point of view,>Your latter statement is somewhat true, from a subjective point of view, >but there is also truth into objectively quantifying some music as >well.
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2001-09-26 09:38proxymail>Given this, you must understand that your critic wasn't wrong in >pointing out some negat
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quoted 2 lines Given this, you must understand that your critic wasn't wrong in>Given this, you must understand that your critic wasn't wrong in >pointing out some negative aspects of your music. Don't lump his
the critic wasnt wrong the critic hit some things right on the nail while completely missing alltogether for example
quoted 1 line your MIDI production and sequencing are not tight and unprofessional.>> your MIDI production and sequencing are not tight and unprofessional.
i totally agree ok 2 songs have midi sequences (are you there) and (salt river shard castles) in (are you there) the midi sequencing comes after all the talking. the composition was done using the strictest guidelines of music theory and harmony up until i throw in a series of descending sevenths which is equivalent to music theory as bucephalus bouncing ball is to staying on the beat its in c major and the timing is strictly 4/4 and done anusly tight as far as professionaly i wasnt wearing a tie but hey i was in my own apartment (salt river shard castles) has a midi sequence of the melody of salt creek which was played on my favorite 303 emulator how the reviewer could tell it was midi is beyond me. the rest of the songs i used midi in i only used a midi controller to fire off some soundfonts and the untightness(your music was generated by a computer) is intentional.
quoted 1 line the arrangements make no sense.>>the arrangements make no sense.
not if you want 32 bars of begin verse verse chorus verse chorus verse end i agree with this
quoted 2 lines your choice of sounds and textures are not consistent with each other, and>>your choice of sounds and textures are not consistent with each other, and >>everything to so scattered and messy, sometimes cliche.
i agree totally from song to song of all the songs this reviewer could have listened to the sounds and textures vary from completely acoustic to totally electronic and everywhere in between its as if i have genre add i almost named an album acoustically analog digital distortion scattered yes as if they were all together in my box and i got them out to play with them and i didnt pick them up i just left them there for anyone who happens by to listen. messy (lickwid flowing) if u listen to the words u know there was a mess to clean up afterwards cliche the drum beat in (mellow)so cliche now but when it was done the beat hadnt been on tv commercials yet
quoted 7 lines supported opinions (by support, i mean he gave you specific examples,>supported opinions (by support, i mean he gave you specific examples, >nearly in outline form!) into one statement, but instead take it as >advice, and one's concern for another's music. Granted, I haven't heard >a note of what you've written, nor do I care, but please don't close >your mind to what other people may think. You and your friends, who are >most likely in biased awe of your production, aren't the only audience >in the world.
all in all the reviewer did a good review except i dont like that he said your music is no good i havent closed my mind to what other people think i like to hear what other poeple think i cant wait for more people to tell me what they think
quoted 2 lines And if you keep attacking everything anyone on this list says with>And if you keep attacking everything anyone on this list says with >slander, you'll get nothing but slander back.
the review came in my email not from this list i didnt mean to attack i didnt mean to come off as slander not that i know what slander means or care to look it up but i know it aint good me bad boy
quoted 1 line -Mark>-Mark
all in all i'm a peacefull guy i dont care if someone doesnt like my music it's pretty hard to make me mad and its hard to insult me also so come on tell me what u think the best review i have recieved: your music makes me feel good when i listen to it the worst review: your music is no good thanks billy stiltner --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-27 09:51duncan van halluciphileas for the last dozen and a half eMails all about you and your songs... I too can use the
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as for the last dozen and a half eMails all about you and your songs... I too can use the delte key. DavidASim@aol.com put it best.
quoted 3 lines and no i'm not some hokie dokie shamanistic medicine guru>and no i'm not some hokie dokie shamanistic medicine guru >yeah i beleive we all have a life force energy but divining >and tarot cards and all that witch craft stuff is bogus
However, this comment goes too far. How dare you go out of your way to bash not only other peoples way of life, but their values, and for no reason? What are you trying to prove with this post? that you are humble? 'Cause all I see that you are saying is that you are a culturally conditioned self imposing ignoramus. The only common ground with tarot cards whichcraft AND shamanism is that they are labeled as occult. If you are too closeminded to accept that there are greater suppernatural forces that can be contacted and modified by humans in this existance thats fine, to each his own. However, in the name of hyperreal and erowid, if you are going to go around bashing such things, do it on your own time on your own mailinglist. duncan van halluciphile np: Terence McKenna - The world and its double - part 1A --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-27 16:57proxymailuh could explain to exactly how u modify a supernatural force that would be interesting --
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uh could explain to exactly how u modify a supernatural force that would be interesting -----Original Message----- From: duncan van halluciphile [mailto:duncan@cyberlink.com] Sent: Friday, July 10, 2893 6:44 PM To: Impressive Drum Magic Subject: RE: [idm] tooting my own horn as for the last dozen and a half eMails all about you and your songs... I too can use the delte key. DavidASim@aol.com put it best.
quoted 3 lines and no i'm not some hokie dokie shamanistic medicine guru>and no i'm not some hokie dokie shamanistic medicine guru >yeah i beleive we all have a life force energy but divining >and tarot cards and all that witch craft stuff is bogus
However, this comment goes too far. How dare you go out of your way to bash not only other peoples way of life, but their values, and for no reason? What are you trying to prove with this post? that you are humble? 'Cause all I see that you are saying is that you are a culturally conditioned self imposing ignoramus. The only common ground with tarot cards whichcraft AND shamanism is that they are labeled as occult. If you are too closeminded to accept that there are greater suppernatural forces that can be contacted and modified by humans in this existance thats fine, to each his own. However, in the name of hyperreal and erowid, if you are going to go around bashing such things, do it on your own time on your own mailinglist. duncan van halluciphile np: Terence McKenna - The world and its double - part 1A --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-27 10:13proxymailI dont know if this helps anything but my (stuck in the mud) and (dean weens a mellungeon)
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I dont know if this helps anything but my (stuck in the mud) and (dean weens a mellungeon) track are done with the synth tuned differently than standard 12 tet one is tuned to inverse phi ratio and the other to earth harmonics if any of u know what that means --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-27 10:16proxymailand no i'm not some hokie dokie shamanistic medicine guru yeah i beleive we all have a lif
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and no i'm not some hokie dokie shamanistic medicine guru yeah i beleive we all have a life force energy but divining and tarot cards and all that witch craft stuff is bogus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org