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2001-08-30 05:03Philip Sherburne [idm] telefon tel aviv
2001-09-22 17:53Armchair Charlie [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
└─ 2001-09-23 00:26Greg Clow Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
2001-09-24 17:00M Mercer Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
2001-09-25 14:29M Mercer Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
2001-09-25 15:40brian albers Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
2001-09-25 17:59nat hawks Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
├─ 2001-09-25 18:16Greg Clow Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
├─ 2001-09-25 18:35Andrei Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
├─ 2001-09-25 18:37Adam Piontek [idm] IDM going down the tubes (was Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv)
└─ 2001-09-26 03:44Nintari Man Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
└─ 2001-09-26 16:36Thorsten Sideb0ard Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
2001-09-25 18:19M Mercer Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
2001-09-25 19:44peter chavez Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
2001-09-25 20:59Armchair Charlie Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
2002-01-17 07:00[idm] telefon tel aviv
└─ 2002-01-17 19:23i Re: [idm] telefon tel aviv / idm is dead
2002-01-17 07:11j snod Re: [idm] telefon tel aviv
└─ 2002-01-17 13:39Neil Re: [idm] telefon tel aviv
2002-01-17 15:17rw Re: [idm] telefon tel aviv
└─ 2002-01-17 16:15Adam Piontek [idm] Re: 'idm is dead'
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2002-03-04 08:22David Seruyange [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
2002-03-04 18:29David Seruyange [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
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2001-08-30 05:03Philip Sherburnethis one's for omar! have you heard this telefon tel aviv CD on hefty? somehow i think it
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this one's for omar! have you heard this telefon tel aviv CD on hefty? somehow i think it might be up your alley. it's kind of a combination of IDM & something a little bit post-rock, and if the skittery rhythms at times veer a little close to "amber"-period autechre, the lushness makes up for it. equal to autechre there's a feeling akin to john beltran, with deep, ringing guitar harmonics... this one really caught me off guard -- on the surface it sounds familiar, almost derivative, but it's so friggin lush and lovely, i can't complain. definitely one for fans of the deep, jewel-toned business. speaking of which: new norken coming soon on hydrogen dukebox... hell yeah! :) cheers philip
2001-09-22 17:53Armchair CharlieHi people. Just wanted to lettcha know that I just picked up Telefon Tel Aviv's new one, F
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Hi people. Just wanted to lettcha know that I just picked up Telefon Tel Aviv's new one, Farenheight Fair Enough. It's safe to say that it's the best electronic album I've heard in four years. I'm usually not one to blatantly promote of an artist, but these guys really do things well. Highly melodic guitar-infused textures with really tight, crystal-clear production. I don't recall ever hearing anything this well thought out as far as clean production goes. This is hi-fi IDM at its best. May the standard be set. Btw, anyone else notice that the new Bjork track "Heirloom" is the exact same as an older Console track? I think all she did was add vocals maybe? -char _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-23 00:26Greg ClowAt 01:53 PM 22/09/01, you wrote: >Hi people. Just wanted to lettcha know that I just picke
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At 01:53 PM 22/09/01, you wrote:
quoted 4 lines Hi people. Just wanted to lettcha know that I just picked up Telefon Tel>Hi people. Just wanted to lettcha know that I just picked up Telefon Tel >Aviv's new one, Farenheight Fair Enough. It's safe to say that it's the >best electronic album I've heard in four years. I'm usually not one to >blatantly promote of an artist, but these guys really do things well.
Agreed. This is an EXCELLENT album. I was expecting a lot based on the few tracks and mixes I'd heard from them previously, and they completely exceeded those expectations. Highly recommended. Greg --- Greg Clow - greg@stainedproductions.com - greg@feedbackmonitor.com concert & event promotions - http://www.stainedproductions.com electronic music radio/reviews/interviews - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor - Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 - Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-24 17:00M Merceragreed.... this album is really really nice. I just picked it up last night and I've alrea
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agreed.... this album is really really nice. I just picked it up last night and I've already listened to it a handful of times. It's the perfect length, and a really good balance of organic instruments and software beats... with some perfectly complementary, beautiful artwork courtesy of francesco clemente and graphic havoc. easily my favorite hefty release so far.
quoted 17 lines From: Greg Clow <greg@stainedproductions.com>>From: Greg Clow <greg@stainedproductions.com> >To: IDM List <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv >Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:26:53 -0400 > >At 01:53 PM 22/09/01, you wrote: >>Hi people. Just wanted to lettcha know that I just picked up Telefon Tel >>Aviv's new one, Farenheight Fair Enough. It's safe to say that it's the >>best electronic album I've heard in four years. I'm usually not one to >>blatantly promote of an artist, but these guys really do things well. > >Agreed. This is an EXCELLENT album. I was expecting a lot based on the few >tracks and mixes I'd heard from them previously, and they completely >exceeded those expectations. Highly recommended. > > >Greg
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2001-09-25 14:29M MercerNot necessarily... Hefty is kind of all over the place. They definitely have an interestin
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Not necessarily... Hefty is kind of all over the place. They definitely have an interesting blend of "traditional" instrumentation and very glitchy and/or clean electronics. I think that Telefon Telaviv and S+S both capture this well in varying proportions. Slicker (aka John Hughes, who runs the label) takes that combination into a more tech-house sort of vein, but rather relying on the dancefloor conventions that characterize a lot of the European stuff (most of which I totally love, but there is something slightly different between Slicker and this stuff). The Aluminum Group is more of a pop sound, with a bit of David Bowie, Belle & Sebastian and Stereolab influence tossed into the mix (and some occasionally weird R&B moments). Beneath Autumn Sky is more of a downtempo sound.... Twine is glitchy, dark, soundtrackish ambient stuff (and more)... and honestly I haven't heard much of the remainder of their roster. hope this helps
quoted 6 lines Ok... so today I picked up the Telefon Tel Aviv album everyone is>Ok... so today I picked up the Telefon Tel Aviv album everyone is >raving about. I'm happy to say that it does live up to all the stuff >I'd heard and I really like it. Especially that second track (am I >right?)! Its very good. Kind reminds me of parts of Savath & Savalas >except better (and I liked S&S). So is all the stuff on Hefty all >pretty and rhodesy like S&S and TT?
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2001-09-25 15:40brian albers>>Ok... so today I picked up the Telefon Tel Aviv album everyone is >>raving about. I'm ha
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quoted 3 lines Ok... so today I picked up the Telefon Tel Aviv album everyone is>>Ok... so today I picked up the Telefon Tel Aviv album everyone is >>raving about. I'm happy to say that it does live up to all the stuff I'd >>heard and I really like it.
I heard it last night. Sure it's well done and very pleasant, but it's just soooo damn mellow. It's the sort of thing I could put on when my parents come to visit me and we could all sit around the house and enjoy it. Could be mentioned in the same breath as Lexaunculpt's dreamier stuff, Arovane's Tides, Crunch or E*vax. If trance is the new country, then idm is (getting to be) the new muzak. This one should be hitting a dental office or an elevator near you any day now. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-25 17:59nat hawksi fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM i've been coming ac
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i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM i've been coming across. it's getting too complacent. where is the passion?! there's no fire in this music. too passive. i came into this music through early aphex and mu-ziq. that shit rocks like anything rocks. it kicks ass. IDM these days seems way way too glossy and dreamy and dead. and as a disclaimer i'll claim ignorance of every niche of the scene right now, so dont get mad at me, show me what there is... i'll take vanetian snares over tel aviv...
quoted 31 lines From: "brian albers" <brianalbers@hotmail.com>>From: "brian albers" <brianalbers@hotmail.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv >Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:40:39 -0700 > > > > >>>Ok... so today I picked up the Telefon Tel Aviv album everyone is >>>raving about. I'm happy to say that it does live up to all the stuff I'd >>>heard and I really like it. > >I heard it last night. Sure it's well done and very pleasant, but it's just >soooo damn mellow. It's the sort of thing I could put on when my parents >come to visit me and we could all sit around the house and enjoy it. > >Could be mentioned in the same breath as Lexaunculpt's dreamier stuff, >Arovane's Tides, Crunch or E*vax. > >If trance is the new country, then idm is (getting to be) the new muzak. >This one should be hitting a dental office or an elevator near you any day >now. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-09-25 18:16Greg ClowAt 01:59 PM 25/09/01, nat hawks wrote: >i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to
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At 01:59 PM 25/09/01, nat hawks wrote:
quoted 7 lines i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM>i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM >i've been coming across. it's getting too complacent. where is the >passion?! >there's no fire in this music. too passive. > >i came into this music through early aphex and mu-ziq. that shit rocks >like anything rocks. it kicks ass.
Well personally, I don't think that music has to "rock" or "kick ass" (two descriptive terms which annoy me to no end) to be passionate. On the contrary, some of the most passionate music ever recorded is about as far from being aggressive as can be imagined. Check out some of Billie Holiday's more mournful songs like "Strange Fruit", or Sinatra tracks like "In The Wee Small Hours" and "It Was A Very Good Year", and tell me that you don't hear any passion. Yes, there's a place in the electronic spectrum for noisy, "kick ass" stuff like early Aphex and mu-Ziq, and Venetian Snares, and the like. When I'm in the mood for something heavy and fun, I'm perfectly fine with that. But there's also a place for more mellow, introspective, melodic work, and there can be just as much "passion" in that stuff if you're in the right frame of mind. Greg --- Greg Clow - greg@stainedproductions.com - greg@feedbackmonitor.com concert & event promotions - http://www.stainedproductions.com electronic music radio/reviews/interviews - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor - Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 - Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-25 18:35AndreiOn Tue, 25 Sep 2001, nat hawks wrote: > i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, nat hawks wrote:
quoted 10 lines i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM i've> i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM i've > been coming across. it's getting too complacent. where is the passion?! > there's no fire in this music. too passive. > > i came into this music through early aphex and mu-ziq. that shit rocks like > anything rocks. it kicks ass. IDM these days seems way way too glossy and > dreamy and dead. and as a disclaimer i'll claim ignorance of every niche of > the scene right now, so dont get mad at me, show me what there is... > > i'll take vanetian snares over tel aviv...
What about the last/new Squarepusher ? Otto Von Schirach ? Phthalocyanine ? (I guess he hasn't released anything in a while though) Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-25 18:37Adam PiontekIs it time again already for this discussion? The "where's all the good stuff?" discussion
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Is it time again already for this discussion? The "where's all the good stuff?" discussion? "It's all too [noisy, wanky, DSP'd, simple, difficult, melodic, beaty, smooth, crunchy, whatever you hate] lately; where's all the good stuff I used to like?" 1) There is no "new IDM vs. old IDM". There are numerous artists doing a broad range of styles. 1b) There *are* more artists and a broader range of styles now than there have been in the past. This is a good thing. 2) If you don't like what you're listening to, turn it off. 3) If you prefer what you were listening to previously, go back to it. Enjoy it. You went through the effort of obtaining it, didn't you? 4) If you absolutely must have new music, try out new stuff. Don't expect to like everything. 4a) If you try out artists X, Y, and Z, and none of them appeal to you, don't assume that you've tried out every artist and therefore know everything, and definitely don't start complaining that "all this new IDM is so [_____]; what happened to the good stuff?" 4b) Maybe ask the list for suggestions. Say what you liked before, what you don't like now; you're bound to get some good pointers. Again, keep in mind that you won't like everything, nor will every suggestion be a good one *for you*. 5) Are Telefon Tel Aviv really IDM? What is IDM anyway? 5b) Don't you even dare to ask the list the question posed in #5 above, ask it of yourself. 6) If you're going to complain about the "sad state of IDM today" or some such nonsense, don't conclude your message with a statement like "i'll take vanetian snares over tel aviv..." Obviously you know a current artist that you do like, and all you wanted to do was express distaste and negativity towards another current artist that you don't like. 6b) In other words, if you're enjoying some music, and other people are enjoying different music, and you don't like the music that other people are enjoying, it's very childish and pathetic to try to turn the situation into a pissing match over whose favorite artists are "better." (As if such a thing were even possible...) -Adam (who has violate most, if not all, of these points at one time or another in the past, but learned from his mistakes ;) --- nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 16 lines i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to> i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to > get erked by the IDM i've > been coming across. it's getting too complacent. > where is the passion?! > there's no fire in this music. too passive. > > i came into this music through early aphex and > mu-ziq. that shit rocks like > anything rocks. it kicks ass. IDM these days seems > way way too glossy and > dreamy and dead. and as a disclaimer i'll claim > ignorance of every niche of > the scene right now, so dont get mad at me, show me > what there is... > > i'll take vanetian snares over tel aviv...
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2001-09-26 03:44Nintari ManBleh. Those of us who enjoy chilling out are all about it. I'm very happy that someone is
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Bleh. Those of us who enjoy chilling out are all about it. I'm very happy that someone is finally successfully melding chicagoesque (read: tortoise) post rock type stuff with IDM. (yeah, tortoise has some idm'y tracks, but they've always just kind of flirted with it, for the most part.) More people standing in front of laptops with guitars, please. I love it. --nm On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, nat hawks wrote:
quoted 59 lines Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:59:46 -0400> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:59:46 -0400 > From: nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> > To: brianalbers@hotmail.com, idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv > > i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM i've > been coming across. it's getting too complacent. where is the passion?! > there's no fire in this music. too passive. > > i came into this music through early aphex and mu-ziq. that shit rocks like > anything rocks. it kicks ass. IDM these days seems way way too glossy and > dreamy and dead. and as a disclaimer i'll claim ignorance of every niche of > the scene right now, so dont get mad at me, show me what there is... > > i'll take vanetian snares over tel aviv... > > > > >From: "brian albers" <brianalbers@hotmail.com> > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv > >Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:40:39 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >>>Ok... so today I picked up the Telefon Tel Aviv album everyone is > >>>raving about. I'm happy to say that it does live up to all the stuff I'd > >>>heard and I really like it. > > > >I heard it last night. Sure it's well done and very pleasant, but it's just > >soooo damn mellow. It's the sort of thing I could put on when my parents > >come to visit me and we could all sit around the house and enjoy it. > > > >Could be mentioned in the same breath as Lexaunculpt's dreamier stuff, > >Arovane's Tides, Crunch or E*vax. > > > >If trance is the new country, then idm is (getting to be) the new muzak. > >This one should be hitting a dental office or an elevator near you any day > >now. > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-09-26 16:36Thorsten Sideb0ard> Bleh. Those of us who enjoy chilling out are all about it. I'm very happy > that someone
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quoted 3 lines Bleh. Those of us who enjoy chilling out are all about it. I'm very happy> Bleh. Those of us who enjoy chilling out are all about it. I'm very happy > that someone is finally successfully melding chicagoesque > (read: tortoise) post rock type stuff with IDM. (yeah, tortoise has some
i picked it up as well, and it certainly sounds pretty. I'm really into the idea of guitars with laptops, but i personally find the guitars on Telefon Tel Aviv a bit too clean and polished; most certainly Tortoise-esque, but in that almost classicaly trained jazz way. -th --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-25 18:19M Merceri think there's such a wide variety of material being released now that there's plenty of
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i think there's such a wide variety of material being released now that there's plenty of styles to choose from. if you're looking for more abrasive and/or energetic sounds, there's plenty to go around, from otto von schirach, richard devine, phoenecia, math, jamie lidell, phthalocyanine, hrvatski, squarepusher..... the list goes on and on. (not to mention V/VM!) However, the intention is not just to namedrop, but to demonstrate that there's quite a few artists who don't fit the "pretty IDM" mold. Personally, I enjoy both sides of it, because they appeal to me even more in contrast to one another.
quoted 17 lines From: "nat hawks" <natbot@hotmail.com>>From: "nat hawks" <natbot@hotmail.com> >To: brianalbers@hotmail.com, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv >Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:59:46 -0400 > >i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM i've >been coming across. it's getting too complacent. where is the passion?! >there's no fire in this music. too passive. > >i came into this music through early aphex and mu-ziq. that shit rocks >like >anything rocks. it kicks ass. IDM these days seems way way too glossy and >dreamy and dead. and as a disclaimer i'll claim ignorance of every niche >of >the scene right now, so dont get mad at me, show me what there is... > >i'll take vanetian snares over tel aviv...
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2001-09-25 19:44peter chavezthere was i time when i too enjoyed a good punch in the face by sqaurepusher(feed me wierd
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there was i time when i too enjoyed a good punch in the face by sqaurepusher(feed me wierd things), aphex, and alot of other generally breakneck stuff. but that stuff wast just wank, it had tune to it, mastery on many levels. the new stuff from these guys doesnt have any of the above and beyond qualities of the past(imo). seems like there is no feeling, just wankery. i have to look somewhere else now for what i need. Telefon is delivering that. its not just some watered down idm junk.in fact, i wouldnt even call this idm, it is a departure and a progression. finally someone is doing it!!!! there are soo many levels on this record its amazing. i could only imagine how much work it took to get this gem done. the intricate progarmming, non-half assed melodics, and production on par with any of the top. to top it off, this is their first album. im fucking blown away!!!!!!!! petey
quoted 27 lines i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM> > i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM >i've > > been coming across. it's getting too complacent. where is the >passion?! > > there's no fire in this music. too passive. > > > > i came into this music through early aphex and mu-ziq. that shit rocks >like > > anything rocks. it kicks ass. IDM these days seems way way too glossy >and > > dreamy and dead. and as a disclaimer i'll claim ignorance of every >niche of > > the scene right now, so dont get mad at me, show me what there is... > > > > i'll take vanetian snares over tel aviv... > >What about the last/new Squarepusher ? >Otto Von Schirach ? >Phthalocyanine ? (I guess he hasn't released anything in a while though) > >Andrei > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-09-25 20:59Armchair Charlie>i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM >i've been coming
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quoted 3 lines i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM>i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM >i've been coming across. it's getting too complacent. where is the >passion?! there's no fire in this music. too passive.
People tend to forget that IDM began as a relatively mellow, complacent form. With that in mind, it's obvious that a lot of the new (and veteran) artists are gonna want to stick to that initial parti. Genres of music generally don't wholly revolutionize over a ten-year span, but some of the participating artists may certainly go off on a tangent and stay there. IDM fans come from different walks. Some have their roots in ambient, some in industrial, some in general dance. It's a blessing we have a lot to choose from. And it's refreshing when we end up on the same page (people who were only turned on to the spastic stuff begin to enjoy the melodic stuff, and v/versa).
quoted 3 lines i came into this music through early aphex and mu-ziq. that shit>i came into this music through early aphex and mu-ziq. that shit >rocks like anything rocks. it kicks ass. IDM these days seems way >way too glossy and dreamy and dead.
This is a very personalized statement, and I'll take it as that. But this is not something IDM needs to get over, it's something you need to get over. IDM is a very up-and-coming media, and we're all witnessing it become larger than it was just a few years back. Luckily there's plenty of different avenues and subavenues to choose from. So it starts to get hemroid-inducing when so many fans find room to complain about what they don't like. -char _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-01-17 07:00Jc105776@aol.comjust saw this band and was thoroughly unimpressed. idm is dead. -d -----------------------
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just saw this band and was thoroughly unimpressed. idm is dead. -d --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-01-17 19:23iDidn't you get that memo? IDM has been declared "dead" to allow the 80s to come back in fa
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Didn't you get that memo? IDM has been declared "dead" to allow the 80s to come back in fashion, and no, not just the good parts (like electro) the shite parts too! I'm dusting off my puke green velure Crombie coat right now and having my don johnson miami vice style clothing dry cleaned as we speak. Yes, I am expecting several punches to the face.... :) -i --- Jc105776@aol.com wrote:
quoted 3 lines just saw this band and was thoroughly unimpressed. idm is dead.> just saw this band and was thoroughly unimpressed. idm is dead. > > -d
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2002-01-17 07:11j snodJc105776@aol.com wrote: > idm is dead. they've been saying "punk is dead" for 30 years. -j
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quoted 1 line idm is dead.> idm is dead.
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2002-01-17 13:39Neilactually all music is dead but we wont get into the particulars about that one will we ;)
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actually all music is dead but we wont get into the particulars about that one will we ;) neil... On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, j snod wrote:
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2002-01-17 15:17rwI assume you were at the Minneapolis show as well. Why didn't you say hi? To each his own
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I assume you were at the Minneapolis show as well. Why didn't you say hi? To each his own I guess, I thought they were quite good. I love where they are going with melding electronics with tradional instrumentation. Nice guys too. rw ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jc105776@aol.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:00 AM Subject: [idm] telefon tel aviv
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2002-01-17 16:15Adam PiontekWhy is telefon tel aviv "idm"... Aren't they just making music? Honestly, if we're gonna i
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Why is telefon tel aviv "idm"... Aren't they just making music? Honestly, if we're gonna insist on using "idm" as a genre, shouldn't we decide on exactly what the genre is? I mean, there are so many artists and styles under that one umbrella term that it really is meaningless. Therefore, it is meaningless to say it's dead... Given that 'idm' grew out of the early Warp AI series sound, which Autechre now sounds nothing like, and Telefon Tel Aviv are nothing like either the early AI sound or recent Autechre, how are all of these things 'idm'? No wonder the MTV kiddies get confused about all this stuff... at least indie rawk has a relatively coherent sound such that the unofficial moniker has some semblance of a meaning when you say it to someone. I could tell you I like idm and you might think I mean Lali Puna when in fact I mean Merzbow ... sheesh! Let's get some cultural coherence and agreement going on so we can all stop making statements like 'idm is dead' without meaning something! BTW, I mean none of this. --- rw <rw@goldengate.net> wrote:
quoted 18 lines I assume you were at the Minneapolis show as well.> I assume you were at the Minneapolis show as well. > Why didn't you say hi? > > To each his own I guess, I thought they were quite > good. I love where they > are going with melding electronics with tradional > instrumentation. Nice > guys too. > > rw > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jc105776@aol.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:00 AM > Subject: [idm] telefon tel aviv > > > just saw this band and was thoroughly unimpressed. > idm is dead.
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quoted 13 lines From: j snod <jordan@actualsize.com>>From: j snod <jordan@actualsize.com> >To: Intelligent Wanking Music <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] telefon tel aviv >Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:11:13 -0800 > > > >Jc105776@aol.com wrote: >> idm is dead. > > they've been saying "punk is dead" for 30 years. > >-j
And how many times has MTV dragged that crack whore David Lee Roth out to declare that rock isn't dead??? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-03-04 08:22David SeruyangeSo, does anyone know why they decided to call themselves this? Any relation to the real Te
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So, does anyone know why they decided to call themselves this? Any relation to the real Tel Aviv? -David
2002-03-04 18:29David SeruyangeSo, does anyone know why they decided to call themselves this? Any relation to the real Te
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So, does anyone know why they decided to call themselves this? Any relation to the real Tel Aviv? dav1d "I am going to live inside a book. I'm going to taste of paper and feel like acidic on the tongue. I am going to live inside the curves of letters. I am not coming back." diaspora | of ------------ * ---- | one