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Re: [idm] Muslimgauze

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2001-09-22 22:58Robb C Re: [idm] Muslimgauze
2001-09-22 23:33sanvara Re: [idm] Muslimgauze
├─ 2001-09-23 00:18Robb C Re: [idm] Muslimgauze
│ └─ 2001-09-23 01:23Christopher Sorg RE: [idm] Muslimgauze
└─ 2001-09-24 12:32Alien Re: [idm] Muslimgauze
2001-09-23 01:18sanvara Re: [idm] Muslimgauze
└─ 2001-09-23 14:20jeremy axon Re: [idm] Muslimgauze
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2001-09-22 22:58Robb C> Well, not to carry on, but again, I don't think he quite supports > terrorism. when aske
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quoted 2 lines Well, not to carry on, but again, I don't think he quite supports> Well, not to carry on, but again, I don't think he quite supports > terrorism.
when asked about groups such as Hezbollah, which exist solely for the purpose of planning and executing terrorist acts, he says: "full support. full support." and you interpret this as not supporting terrorism how?
quoted 1 line I also think your claim of genocide support is really off-base.> I also think your claim of genocide support is really off-base.
He says that all Israelis, without exception, are bad people and "disgusting" and that "the sooner the better" that Israel is erased from existence, the better. Again I am having trouble finding alternate interpretations of these words. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-22 23:33sanvara> > Well, not to carry on, but again, I don't think he quite supports > > terrorism. > > w
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quoted 7 lines Well, not to carry on, but again, I don't think he quite supports> > Well, not to carry on, but again, I don't think he quite supports > > terrorism. > > when asked about groups such as Hezbollah, which exist solely for the > purpose of planning and executing terrorist acts, he says: "full > support. full support." and you interpret this as not supporting > terrorism how?
If he supported terrorism against soldiers who are occupying land that's one thing but if he supported killing of innocent people he is an asshole who deserved to die. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-23 00:18Robb C> If he supported terrorism against soldiers who are occupying land > that's one > thing b
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quoted 5 lines If he supported terrorism against soldiers who are occupying land> If he supported terrorism against soldiers who are occupying land > that's one > thing but if he supported killing of innocent people he is an asshole > who > deserved to die.
Well "innocent" is a difficult word to define, Bryn Jones apparently believed that all citizens of Israel - military or no - were guilty of Palestinian oppression. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-23 01:23Christopher Sorg> > If he supported terrorism against soldiers who are occupying land > > that's one > > t
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quoted 9 lines If he supported terrorism against soldiers who are occupying land> > If he supported terrorism against soldiers who are occupying land > > that's one > > thing but if he supported killing of innocent people he is an asshole > > who > > deserved to die. > > Well "innocent" is a difficult word to define, Bryn Jones apparently > believed that all citizens of Israel - military or no - were guilty of > Palestinian oppression.
Yeah, especially those 10-year-olds on either side. Those guilty bastards. - Sorg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-24 12:32Alien--- sanvara <sanvara@home.com> wrote: > If he supported terrorism against soldiers who are
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--- sanvara <sanvara@home.com> wrote:
quoted 5 lines If he supported terrorism against soldiers who are> If he supported terrorism against soldiers who are > occupying land that's one > thing but if he supported killing of innocent people > he is an asshole who > deserved to die.
"Innocence is dripping red..." U.S. operations in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Vietnam, etc. led to the terrible losses of human life, lots of innocent people included, children, women... then who's asshole? who deserved to die? Bryn was a genious musician and a person with strong personal beliefs towards Israeli terror on the land of Palestine. Who's to tell he was wrong? Alien Kill your TV! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-23 01:18sanvara> > If he supported terrorism against soldiers who are occupying land > > that's one > > t
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quoted 9 lines If he supported terrorism against soldiers who are occupying land> > If he supported terrorism against soldiers who are occupying land > > that's one > > thing but if he supported killing of innocent people he is an asshole > > who > > deserved to die. > > Well "innocent" is a difficult word to define, Bryn Jones apparently > believed that all citizens of Israel - military or no - were guilty of > Palestinian oppression.
I'm not sure if he thought that but if he did then he was irrational and perhaps even deranged. For example, how could children possibly be responsible? How could the man or woman that just goes to work and wants to live a happy and peaceful life without hurting anyone or imposing religious values on others be responsible just based on where they were born? You don't need to respond, they are rhetorical questions. But I'd say these are examples of "innocent" people. Most people in the world, including Isrealis and Muslims just want to live peacefully and go about their lives. It's the religious extremists on both sides that have fucked the middle east and who are now fucking the world. Bryn didn't seem to have a very balanced perspective on this issue. He didn't seem to recognize that both sides are responsible for this mess. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-23 14:20jeremy axon> > > If he supported terrorism against soldiers who are occupying land >> > that's one >>
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quoted 5 lines If he supported terrorism against soldiers who are occupying land> > > If he supported terrorism against soldiers who are occupying land >> > that's one >> > thing but if he supported killing of innocent people he is an asshole >> > who > > > deserved to die.
Well, despite the fact that you just won my Stupidest Statement Of The Year contest, i thought i'd do a little ctrl-c & v with this bit of an article... not as a relpy per se, just as info for those who are going to label him as an anti-semite...(i hope this doesn't come through as html....) The Manchester native began recording in 1983, citing the previous year's invasion of Lebanon by Israeli forces as his inspiration. Despite his pro-Palestinian focus, Jones was not an Arab, nor was he a Muslim. But his anger at the pro-Israel bias of Western media outlets spawned the artwork and slogans which surrounded his incredibly large musical output with controversy. Titles like 'Fatah Guerrilla', 'Hebron Massacre', 'The Rape of Palestine' and 'Vote Hezbollah' viscerally cemented the Muslimgauze aesthetic. While obviously not the first or last musician to use taboo as a springboard into inspiration, Jones' particular choice of motif was and is sometimes viewed - like many anti-Israel sentiments - as automatically and unequivocally anti-Semitic. While there is obviously a tremendous amount of difference between these two attitudes, they have been virtually joined together for the last 50 years. Though Muslimgauze artwork and liner notes have sometimes vigorously displayed support for the Arab struggles in the Middle East, Afghanistan and Chechnya, among others, there are no signs of any actual religious bigotry to be found. In the small number of interviews he gave, anger and bitterness - covering everything from politics to album sales - comes through most harshly, along with a seemingly simplistic view of Middle Eastern politics. This small amount of public persona we have seen contrasts very sharply with the portrait painted by those who knew him. -- - JA! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org