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I thought I would refrain from commenting on what happened on my loved idm list music list, but people have gone too far for me not to react, sorry. As Brian said, more than 50% seems to be from the US here, so there is much concern. Think we haven't noticed this, in the past? Of course this list is mostly made of people in the US. I remember comments about "we invented the internet", and "let's bomb the fuckers" in the past, with all the nineties wars that made many a civilian victim. Before you start flinging rude nationalistic comments at me, or consider unsbscribing me from the list, think about what Rob Salit just noted:

quoted 6 lines I just wanted to make a point that this tragedy doesn't only affect us here

>I just wanted to make a point that this tragedy doesn't only affect us here >in the US. When an attack like this occurs, all of the countries that >support us in NATO are involved. And it is also a point to say that if it >can happen here, it can happen anywhere, anytime. The last place that I'd >want to be right now is in any country that could be related to the attacks. >We're gonna launch some serious action. This is far from over.

We in Europe have always had to live with the consequences of the aggressive US policies in the world. This time, it hit America first, but as the planes will inevitably take off from europe to bomb the middle east, we will take most of the aggro, as usual (tension in airports and city centres, military surveillance heightened in sensitive areas, etc., and what is more, a clear and very very likely threat of military retaliation from the middle east, because the US are far, but europe is nice and nearer to bomb and attack). I am Italian, our country is right in the middle of the Mediterranean (I know this doesn't mean a lot to people in the US, look it up in a map, and you'll understand) and Italy is FULL of American and NATO bases. This is where planes take off when they go bombing Iraq, Serbia etc. This is where many nuclear bombs from the former eastern countries were pointed at. And it has already happened in the past that we were attacked from our geographic neighbours (Libya, for instance). What's more, Italy has a horrendous history of civilian tragedies of which the US were directly responsible of: civilian planes being shot down "by mistake" while trying to shoot down libyan planes at night (1980), people being killed by US planes that were "playing" in alpine valleys (1999), bombs on trains, in squares, banks etc., for which justice courts found out the CIA to be partly responsible, etc etc. And we are ALLIES. What a fucking laugh. Now we should also put up with Bush, it seems. You gotta be kidding. Believe me, these days are tragic ones for us all, the consequences of what happened will be borne by all of us, but the europeans will take much of the aggro though. As usual. Well this time I am writing because what I least want on my beloved music list is the nationalistic reactions I have seen. They are totally out of place, and they can only irritate people in Europe, who have borne MOST of the tragedies in the western world (but not as much as the 3rd world...). A point of view like Mr.Hackett's isn't even considered on the list, it just gets "bombed" like American reactionaries like to bomb anything that moves and doesn't say "I love the US". Think twice before you shoot, it's us you are shooting. Now you can unsubscribe me Mr Rachielles, I actually felt like unsubscribing myself even before (during the Serbian war, for instance), but I have always resisted. Since this WTC/NYC/Pentagon thing is just the start of a major military and political crisis, I hate to think what this list will become. Sorry, Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org