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quoted 7 lines There are very few people in electronic music really making a living

>There are very few people in electronic music really making a living >from it. I program computers for a living, and I bet I make more money >than a significant percentage of the Artists on Warp. And even the >most popular artists on their artist likely make less than your dentist. > >I buy a lot of Warp releases. If you like the music you should too. I >have zero patience for something-for-nothing leeches.

that really tiked me off. its more than true, especially in the IDM scene, that ppl use the mpeg scene to get a taster for artists and then they actually support artists buy buying releases. i would not have heard of half the stuff if it was not for leech freindly portals on the net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, teardropb . wrote:

quoted 10 lines I buy a lot of Warp releases. If you like the music you should too. I

> > > >I buy a lot of Warp releases. If you like the music you should too. I > >have zero patience for something-for-nothing leeches. > > that really tiked me off. > > its more than true, especially in the IDM scene, that ppl use the mpeg scene > to get a taster for artists and then they actually support artists buy > buying releases. >

I don't have a problem with that. It's like hearing things on the radio and then buying it (or not). There are loads of people who buy very few things, but have dozens of CDRs full of MP3 tracks. If people don't buy records and CDs, the record labels fold. If the record labels fold then artists can't support themselves with their music. And I reserve the right to be ticked off at people who, in general, feel like the world owes them a living, and get a big buzz out of getting over on other people. I'm not talking about YOU, or accusing anyone in particular. But y'all know who you are. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Kent williams wrote:

quoted 3 lines I don't have a problem with that. It's like hearing things on the radio

> I don't have a problem with that. It's like hearing things on the radio > and then buying it (or not). There are loads of people who buy very few > things, but have dozens of CDRs full of MP3 tracks.

When I was a kid I used to tape stuff off the radio all the time. Didn't seem to hurt the artists.

quoted 4 lines And I reserve the right to be ticked off at people who, in general, feel

> And I reserve the right to be ticked off at people who, in general, feel > like the world owes them a living, and get a big buzz out of getting over > on other people. I'm not talking about YOU, or accusing anyone in particular. > But y'all know who you are.

"The world doesn't owe you anything. It was here first." -- Mark Twain That having been said: something must be said for the wonderous excesses of capitalism, and how a man can make a completely honest living - and thrive - doing absolutely nothing at all. Hell, I've been retired since I graduated high school. m@2zo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

hmmm, there's a big difference between you taping cindy lauper songs off of eagle 106 when you're a kid and 320 mp3 rips of small time releases, dontcha think? rot in hellll pete

quoted 3 lines When I was a kid I used to tape stuff off the radio

> When I was a kid I used to tape stuff off the radio > all the time. Didn't > seem to hurt the artists.

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--- Pete Edwards <latah_skatah@yahoo.com> wrote:

quoted 4 lines hmmm, there's a big difference between you taping

> hmmm, there's a big difference between you taping > cindy lauper songs off of eagle 106 when you're a kid > and 320 mp3 rips of small time releases, dontcha > think?

Depends on how much money you have. When I was a teen, I used to make tapes from the college station whenever I had spare time because I didn't have money to buy tapes. When I found something I really liked, I went to the record store as soon as I got money for it. It was always a matter of availability and finances that kept me from buying new music. I don't have enough money to buy more than 2 or 3 cds a month, (which is still more than a lot of people I know spend on music) so I know nobody is losing money from my music listening habits. Wait, I take that back. There are artists losing money from my new music listening habits: Musicians that suck. I feel like mp3s have empowered me as a consumer to make wiser choices at the record store. No more of those weekends where I take my hard-earned money up to some record store and buy a cd by some group that got great word-of-mouth praise on this list only to go home and realize that it completely sucks. No more buying a compilation and hearing two great songs by a group, then going out and getting their CD and realizing those are the only two good songs on it. Wiser choices in the record store mean more money for the artists that I feel deserve it, therefore empowering me to empower the artist that earned my respect and love in the first place. These guys that feel like they are "getting one over on society" by collecting and sharing massive amounts of mp3s most likely wouldn't be buying music in the first place if it wasn't for file-sharing. These people are mostly into file-sharing, not music listening. These people unwittingly make money for record companies when they share music that I like enough to purchase. They are doing for free what many record labels pay a lot of money to radio stations to do: Publicize the music and spread the word. Philosophically, I hate these mooches with their T-3s and 80gb hard-drives full of albums they didn't pay for, but I've been extremely happy with the last 40 or 50 cds I've bought so far this year because of them. And as an amateur musician, I like that eventually there might be more out there like me that just like to dabble with unfamiliar music that are sitting on a respected file-sharer's hard drive. Who knows, maybe an amateur like me will develop a little group of listeners because one of my song titles caught their eye. It levels out the playing field a little bit for amateur musicians and labels like Warp that don't have the money to play the payola game in the U.S. ===== check out my station on Live365 - over 8 hours worth of early 90's chill-out, IDM, dub and more at: http://www.live365.com/stations/278479 check out my homepage at: http://www.skack.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines that really tiked me off.

> that really tiked me off. > > its more than true, especially in the IDM scene, that ppl use the mpeg

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quoted 5 lines to get a taster for artists and then they actually support artists buy

> to get a taster for artists and then they actually support artists buy > buying releases. > > i would not have heard of half the stuff if it was not for leech freindly > portals on the net

Exactly. I hate buying without being able to listen first. But if I like what I hear I always buy. And I end up buying more stuff because mp3's have exposed me to so much. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

----- Original Message ----- From: "sanvara" <sanvara@home.com> | > i would not have heard of half the stuff if it was not for leech freindly | > portals on the net | | Exactly. I hate buying without being able to listen first. But if I like | what I hear I always buy. And I end up buying more stuff because mp3's have | exposed me to so much. but thank god i listened to some mp3s before going to buy that rdevine album! :) phonk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 12 lines ----- Original Message -----

>----- Original Message ----- >From: "sanvara" <sanvara@home.com> >| > i would not have heard of half the stuff if it was not for leech >freindly >| > portals on the net >| >| Exactly. I hate buying without being able to listen first. But if I like >| what I hear I always buy. And I end up buying more stuff because mp3's >have >| exposed me to so much. > >

We could never keep up with the int'l music scene here in HK until Napster came along...now we can listen to the latest releases at the same time as everyone else. No way would I be spinning Vladislav Delay, Monolake, and Sutekh on gigs here if it weren't for Napster and AudioGalaxy...and now I own many of the tracks on CD, I need the better-quality copies for DJing. I usually listen to MP3s and then order the CDs I want from Amazon or wherever. HMV robs us over here, they control most of the market and routinely charge US$20 and up for CDs, so I don't buy much there anymore. It's usually cheaper for me to order from Amazon than to buy from them, even including the cost of shipping, and it usually only takes 7-10 days to receive the orders. AudioGalaxy also lets us find the latest white labels and vinyl releases that we just can't get over here...really important. There are vinyl shops for DJs here but the selection is very limited. I just found another interesting site for buying music online: http://www.atrecordings.com/genrepages/electronicadance/index.asp You can listen to samples and then order vinyl or CD -- or just pick out the tracks you want and they make you a CD-R. The link above goes straight to the electronic music page, I think they have at least some music that might interest members of this list. (I have no connection with this site, just happened across it the other day.) John np:Dub Taylor - 'Steam Channel' -- John von Seggern DJ/producer Digital Cutup Lounge Hong Kong http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org