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2001-07-23 21:14Static Beats Re: [idm] bounce from 313
└─ 2001-07-23 21:27Kent williams Re: [idm] bounce from 313
2001-07-23 21:34Static Beats Re: [idm] bounce from 313 (p2)
└─ 2001-07-23 21:48EggyToast Re: [idm] bounce from 313 (p2)
2001-07-23 22:17Mxyzptlk [idm] bounce from 313
└─ 2001-07-23 21:21EggyToast Re: [idm] bounce from 313
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2001-07-23 21:14Static BeatsI was reading this on Slashdot last week. I know that one of the CD's is Snoop Dogg's late
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I was reading this on Slashdot last week. I know that one of the CD's is Snoop Dogg's latest. The title eludes me. I don't know if this will really affect the IDM community. I'm sure there are licensing feels involved with using Macrovision security. What with the margin of profit already being so slim I doubt a vast majority of underground labels are going to follow suit. Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music For The Mind http://www.shimone.org | Pictures From The Soul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mxyzptlk" <jpklein@telocity.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Cc: <ambient@hyperreal.org>; "samba Marie's Litany" <dirtylist@lists.underworld.net> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 3:17 PM Subject: [idm] bounce from 313
quoted 3 lines > http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1094 > > Of note if you like to make cdrs.
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2001-07-23 21:27Kent williamsFrom the article: "TTR's patents reveal that in the SafeAudio system, "grossly erroneous v
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From the article: "TTR's patents reveal that in the SafeAudio system, "grossly erroneous values," or bursts of digital noise, are added to the signal, forcing a regular CD player, whose error correction can't usually handle such extreme digital hash, to cover the gaps of bad data with data from before and after where the distortion occurs." Heh. What would happen with an Oval or Pole CD? Not only that, this sort of thing would be easy to fix with Sound Forge. If it really is inaudible, then it's only triggering really short bursts of errors to trigger the interpolation algorithm in the CD player. Really short bursts of drastic noise are what Sound Forge kills best. I wouldn't worry too much about it. They'll only do it for the mass market releases. I doubt the piracy prevented would justify the license fees in runs under 10,000. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-23 21:34Static BeatsWell here's a follow-up. The link on Slashdot article is here: http://slashdot.org/article
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Well here's a follow-up. The link on Slashdot article is here: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/19/007240&mode=thread The comments include such gems as.... How to remove the Macrovision protection that inserts noise and monkeys with your picture on DVDs and videotapes: http://www.videoguys.com/sima.htm How to create a copy-protected cd: http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cdrom/cd_protect_cd.shtmltarget=_blank The CD Black List (which only contains one CD at the moment. http://www.cdblacklist.com/ and this comment from herpes@balls.com: "Buy Vinyl. If it isn't released on Vinly it probably is some pop bullshit that isn't meant to last (or be good anyway). Records sound better anyway, pure analog, can't copy protect that. i listen to mostly bands on indie labels anyway. i buy their music, i see them at shows, and i know that they will be the last, if at all, to stop me from making mp3's of my CD's on my own computer for my own listening. " The funny thing about us IDM listmembers is how we complain about the length of threads. Check out this slashdot thread and then you'll REALLY see how far people can take it. It mind boggling ! Shimone
quoted 4 lines I was reading this on Slashdot last week.> > > I was reading this on Slashdot last week. > > I know that one of the CD's is Snoop Dogg's latest. > > The title eludes me.
quoted 6 lines Shimone/Justes> > > > > > Shimone/Justes > > http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music For The Mind > > http://www.shimone.org | Pictures From The Soul > >
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2001-07-23 21:48EggyToast>and this comment from herpes@balls.com: >"Buy Vinyl. [because the pops and snaps are part
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quoted 2 lines and this comment from herpes@balls.com:>and this comment from herpes@balls.com: >"Buy Vinyl.
[because the pops and snaps are part of the music naturally!]
quoted 6 lines If it isn't released on Vinly it probably is some pop bullshit> If it isn't released on Vinly it probably is some pop bullshit >that isn't meant to last (or be good anyway). Records sound better anyway, >pure analog, can't copy protect that. i listen to mostly bands on indie >labels anyway. i buy their music, i see them at shows, and i know that they >will be the last, if at all, to stop me from making mp3's of my CD's on my >own computer for my own listening. "
Q: How many indie rockers does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: Hah! I have that joke on vinyl derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- now on the interweb --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-23 22:17Mxyzptlkhttp://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1094 Of note if you like to make cdrs. -----------
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2001-07-23 21:21EggyToastAt 05:17 PM 7/23/2001 -0500, you wrote: >http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1094 > >O
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At 05:17 PM 7/23/2001 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 3 lines >http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1094 > >Of note if you like to make cdrs.
Not to bash jeff, because that's the last thing i want to do, but this is actually somewhat old news. Macrovision is the wonderful company responsible for the "no-copy" aspect of many dvd players (they don't work if you plug them through a vcr... or a vcr/tv combo). They've since tried to get their grubby mitts on just about everything, including cds. from the link: "TTR's patents reveal that in the SafeAudio system, "grossly erroneous values," or bursts of digital noise, are added to the signal, forcing a regular CD player, whose error correction can't usually handle such extreme digital hash, to cover the gaps of bad data with data from before and after where the distortion occurs. But when copying the audio file to another device, like a PC's hard disc, the extreme digital values are said to overwhelm the computer's ability to transfer the data properly, leaving annoying noises in place of music." Of course, this only affects those who pop a cd in, hit "rip at 20x" and get a fast wav file. It doesn't stop anyone from actually just recording the thing as its' playing, or doing an analog copy (or 1x). Once again, the only people who can afford the process are those that lose the least money anyways. cheers, /derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- now on the interweb --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org