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2001-07-19 22:10Philip Sherburne [idm] timeblind
2001-07-19 23:39d_jak [idm] gamelan and IDM
├─ 2001-07-19 23:48i Re: [idm] gamelan and IDM
└─ 2001-07-20 00:44p_science Re: [idm] gamelan and IDM
2001-07-20 00:55Aaron D Meyers Re: [idm] gamelan and IDM
2001-07-20 01:09Marc Weidenbaum Re: [idm] gamelan and IDM
2001-07-20 01:51Nick Ketzh Re: [idm] gamelan and IDM
2001-07-20 03:32brian albers Re: [idm] gamelan and IDM
└─ 2001-07-20 11:29Guillaume Grenier Re: [idm] gamelan and IDM
2001-07-20 04:52Re: [idm] gamelan and IDM
2001-07-20 14:05Reading, John RE: [idm] gamelan and IDM
2001-07-20 15:36Adam Piontek RE: [idm] gamelan and IDM
2001-07-21 02:40James R McPherson Re: [idm] gamelan and IDM
├─ 2001-07-20 03:53Re: [idm] gamelan and IDM
└─ 2001-07-21 12:47nethed Re: [idm] gamelan and IDM
└─ 2001-07-21 14:53Adam Piontek RE: [idm] gamelan and IDM
2001-07-21 19:13d_jak Re: [idm] gamelan and IDM
2001-08-13 23:06Digital Cutup Lounge Re: [idm] gamelan and IDM
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2001-07-19 22:10Philip SherburneOooooh shit, kids, people get ready: Just got an advance of the forthcoming Timeblind full
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Oooooh shit, kids, people get ready: Just got an advance of the forthcoming Timeblind full-length on Orthlorng Musork (run by Kit Clayton & Sue Costabile) and it's a fucking doozy. Dark, sludgy dub and hip hop... hints of Techno Animal, Ghost Dog soundtrack, Rhythm and Sound.... this is gonna be one of the records of the year. Cheers Philip
2001-07-19 23:39d_jaki played in a gamelan for 3.5 years while in college and i've always been intruiged by the
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i played in a gamelan for 3.5 years while in college and i've always been intruiged by the parallels i saw between gamelan and IDM. (My first reaction was something like "wow, proto-techno" :-P ) anyway, i've only come across one artist who has attempted to meld IDM and gamelan: Jhno - Kwno (came out 97 or 98, i think?). "drum & java" is a great song, but i feel a lot more could be done using traditional javanese structures to build electronic music. anyone know of any artists who've sampled gamelan music, cited it as an influence, etc...? sorry if this has been discussed previously. thanks - d NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-19 23:48iYes C.U.E. - aka Charles Uzzell Edwards, former (possibly current) curator of www.faxlabel
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Yes C.U.E. - aka Charles Uzzell Edwards, former (possibly current) curator of www.faxlabel.com - he once filtered, delayed, chorused and processed 10+(?) Gamelan players at a rave at the former offices of Organic in San Francisco. Truly mesmerising, when it ended the room was in a trance -i --- d_jak <d_jak@netzero.net> wrote:
quoted 24 lines i played in a gamelan for 3.5 years while in college and i've always been> i played in a gamelan for 3.5 years while in college and i've always been > intruiged by the parallels i saw between gamelan and IDM. (My first > reaction was something like "wow, proto-techno" :-P ) anyway, i've only > come across one artist who has attempted to meld IDM and gamelan: Jhno - > Kwno (came out 97 or 98, i think?). "drum & java" is a great song, but i > feel a lot more could be done using traditional javanese structures to build > electronic music. anyone know of any artists who've sampled gamelan music, > cited it as an influence, etc...? sorry if this has been discussed > previously. > > thanks > > - d > > > NetZero Platinum > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > http://www.netzero.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-07-20 00:44p_scienceCheck out my (Professor Science) track to be released on the Vibon 2 comp (http://www.tbtm
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Check out my (Professor Science) track to be released on the Vibon 2 comp (http://www.tbtmo.com) sometime soon. Heavy use of chopped up gamelan, which I'm absolutely in love with. Also check out artists like The Dylan Group, Ninety-Nine, and Tortoise for beautiful music w/ gamelans. p_science On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, d_jak wrote:
quoted 29 lines Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:39:20 -0400> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:39:20 -0400 > From: d_jak <d_jak@netzero.net> > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] gamelan and IDM > > i played in a gamelan for 3.5 years while in college and i've always been > intruiged by the parallels i saw between gamelan and IDM. (My first > reaction was something like "wow, proto-techno" :-P ) anyway, i've only > come across one artist who has attempted to meld IDM and gamelan: Jhno - > Kwno (came out 97 or 98, i think?). "drum & java" is a great song, but i > feel a lot more could be done using traditional javanese structures to build > electronic music. anyone know of any artists who've sampled gamelan music, > cited it as an influence, etc...? sorry if this has been discussed > previously. > > thanks > > - d > > > NetZero Platinum > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > http://www.netzero.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-07-20 00:55Aaron D MeyersThere is a gamelan track on Squarepusher's Budakhan Mindphone. Its the last track on it. I
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There is a gamelan track on Squarepusher's Budakhan Mindphone. Its the last track on it. I don't know much about gamelan but its sounds like he might use a few gamelanish sounds on a couple other tracks on the same release. -Aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "d_jak" <d_jak@netzero.net> Date: Thursday, July 19, 2001 7:39 pm Subject: [idm] gamelan and IDM
quoted 32 lines i played in a gamelan for 3.5 years while in college and i've> i played in a gamelan for 3.5 years while in college and i've > always been > intruiged by the parallels i saw between gamelan and IDM. (My first > reaction was something like "wow, proto-techno" :-P ) anyway, > i've only > come across one artist who has attempted to meld IDM and gamelan: > Jhno - > Kwno (came out 97 or 98, i think?). "drum & java" is a great > song, but i > feel a lot more could be done using traditional javanese > structures to build > electronic music. anyone know of any artists who've sampled > gamelan music, > cited it as an influence, etc...? sorry if this has been discussed > previously. > > thanks > > - d > > > NetZero Platinum > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > http://www.netzero.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-07-20 01:09Marc WeidenbaumBesides Steve Reich, one significant classical composer who was influenced considerably by
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Besides Steve Reich, one significant classical composer who was influenced considerably by gamelan, and who works with electronics, is Ingram Marshall, who lived and studied in Bali. I highly recommend his new CD, titled Kingdom Come, available on ECM Records. There are three compositions on the record. The one that comes to mind in reference to gamelan is a series of four hymns, titled "Hymnodic Delays" (which could be the name of an Orb record). The piece sets these four early-American hymns for four voices (one woman, three men) plus carefully calibrated electronic delays. The result is beautiful. Each voice echoes on for several cycles, and the sounds overlap into a lovely, sustained, quilt-like format. This particular music doesn't have the proto-techno pattern quality that is most closely associated with gamelan, but it does touch on the kind of extended resonance that those patterns create, where a note reverberates on its own and is echoed by other notes. Really beautiful stuff. Marc At 08:44 PM 7/19/01 -0400, p_science wrote:
quoted 44 lines Check out my (Professor Science) track to be released on the Vibon 2 comp>Check out my (Professor Science) track to be released on the Vibon 2 comp >(http://www.tbtmo.com) sometime soon. Heavy use of chopped up gamelan, >which I'm absolutely in love with. Also check out artists like The Dylan >Group, Ninety-Nine, and Tortoise for beautiful music w/ gamelans. > >p_science > >On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, d_jak wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:39:20 -0400 > > From: d_jak <d_jak@netzero.net> > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > Subject: [idm] gamelan and IDM > > > > i played in a gamelan for 3.5 years while in college and i've always been > > intruiged by the parallels i saw between gamelan and IDM. (My first > > reaction was something like "wow, proto-techno" :-P ) anyway, i've only > > come across one artist who has attempted to meld IDM and gamelan: Jhno - > > Kwno (came out 97 or 98, i think?). "drum & java" is a great song, but i > > feel a lot more could be done using traditional javanese structures to > build > > electronic music. anyone know of any artists who've sampled gamelan music, > > cited it as an influence, etc...? sorry if this has been discussed > > previously. > > > > thanks > > > > - d > > > > > > NetZero Platinum > > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > > http://www.netzero.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2001-07-20 01:51Nick Ketzhexcuse my ignorance, but what 'exactly' is a gamelan? >From: "d_jak" <d_jak@netzero.net> >
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excuse my ignorance, but what 'exactly' is a gamelan?
quoted 30 lines From: "d_jak" <d_jak@netzero.net>>From: "d_jak" <d_jak@netzero.net> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: [idm] gamelan and IDM >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:39:20 -0400 > >i played in a gamelan for 3.5 years while in college and i've always been >intruiged by the parallels i saw between gamelan and IDM. (My first >reaction was something like "wow, proto-techno" :-P ) anyway, i've only >come across one artist who has attempted to meld IDM and gamelan: Jhno - >Kwno (came out 97 or 98, i think?). "drum & java" is a great song, but i >feel a lot more could be done using traditional javanese structures to >build >electronic music. anyone know of any artists who've sampled gamelan music, >cited it as an influence, etc...? sorry if this has been discussed >previously. > >thanks > >- d > > >NetZero Platinum >No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access >Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! >http://www.netzero.net > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-07-20 03:32brian albersTo the person who asked "What exactly is a gamelan?"- It's a xylophone type instrument ori
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To the person who asked "What exactly is a gamelan?"- It's a xylophone type instrument originating in Indonesia/Pacific Rim islands. They are tuned in a very general sort of way. Like "This one is close to 'A' so it goes here." So every instrument is like a grossly out of tune piano but when you have a gamelan orchestra of 15 players, it can have a very warbly hypnotic sound. Most of us who were brought up listening to western/European music at first fint it quite caucaphonous. An aquired taste you might say. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-20 11:29Guillaume GrenierOn 19/07/01 23:32, brian albers said in living color: > > > To the person who asked "What
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On 19/07/01 23:32, brian albers said in living color:
quoted 11 lines To the person who asked "What exactly is a gamelan?"-> > > To the person who asked "What exactly is a gamelan?"- > > It's a xylophone type instrument originating in Indonesia/Pacific Rim > islands. They are tuned in a very general sort of way. Like "This one is > close to 'A' so it goes here." So every instrument is like a grossly out of > tune piano but when you have a gamelan orchestra of 15 players, it can have > a very warbly hypnotic sound. Most of us who were brought up listening to > western/European music at first fint it quite caucaphonous. An aquired taste > you might say.
Actually, gamelan is the name of the orchestra rather than the instruments it is comprised of (which include xylophones, gongs and drums). The most common gamelan are Javanese and Balinese. And it is an acquired taste indeed. I consider myself extremely open to all sorts of music (from numerous regions and epochs). But when I went to an all-gamelan concert, I was bored shitless and left at the intermission (something I almost never do). I was surprised, cause I really thought I would like the stuff. I haven't ruled out that music yet, but the experience has made me, hmm say, slightly more cautious... g. -- Guillaume Grenier - gollum@videotron.ca in space there is no north in space there is no south in space there is no east in space there is no west --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-20 04:52andrei@world.std.comJames R McPherson wrote: > When one of the fellas in Autechre was on the list (about 2 yea
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James R McPherson wrote:
quoted 6 lines When one of the fellas in Autechre was on the list (about 2 years ago)> When one of the fellas in Autechre was on the list (about 2 years ago) > this thread came up - when I posed a similar query he (dunno which one) > responded with a very long list > of excellent recordings, where to get them, what to listen for, and where > to travel to hear gamelan "orchestras". Unfortunately, almost all of his > recommendations were available only in Indonesia.
It would be great to see this post if anyone has it in their archives. I guess it's in the idm-archives, but since I wouldn't know when it was posted I'm not about to search through all those huge files. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-20 14:05Reading, John> Actually, gamelan is the name of the orchestra rather than > the instruments it is compr
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quoted 2 lines Actually, gamelan is the name of the orchestra rather than> Actually, gamelan is the name of the orchestra rather than > the instruments it is comprised of (which include xylophones, gongs and
drums). indeed. Here's a sample from a Roland expansion board (kind of unauthentic, but more electronic): http://media.musicalplanet.com/a/mp3/ROLSRJV8014_DEMO19.MP3 http://media.musicalplanet.com/a/mp3/ROLSRJV8014_DEMO19.MP3 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-20 15:36Adam Piontek> -----Original Message----- > From: andrei@world.std.com > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 12
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quoted 20 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: andrei@world.std.com > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 12:52 AM > > James R McPherson wrote: > > When one of the fellas in Autechre was on the > > list (about 2 years ago) this thread came up > > - when I posed a similar query he (dunno which > > one) responded with a very long list of > > excellent recordings, where to get them, what > > to listen for, and where to travel to hear > > gamelan "orchestras". Unfortunately, almost > > all of his recommendations were available > > only in Indonesia. > > It would be great to see this post if anyone has > it in their archives. I guess it's in the idm- > archives, but since I wouldn't know when it was > posted I'm not about to search through all those > huge files.
I keep a local copy of the archives, and searching for specific text in all the files is pretty easy, so here's what I found: As near as I can tell, Autechre were lota@pop3.demon.co.uk on the list. They left the list in June, 1999. [BTW, there's an excellent post from Graham H Freeman (Sean and Rob Redux) halfway down that month's archive which summarizes and analyzes the situation.] Anyways, back to the point, unless they also posted from a different address and I'm just missing something, the only post from Sean or Rob regarding gamelan music is this: "check out all basf "world sound" cassette releases. they have relased shitloads of otherwise unheard gamelan stuff internationally and its really cheap. also contact universitas warmadewa in denpasar. much stuff there." However, there's a tonne of other info about gamelan to be uncovered in that month's archive, and I'll paste the rest of what I found at the end of this so you all don't have to go searching for it. First, though, I'd just like to comment that the archives are an amazing resource, and a lot of fun to peruse every once in a while, too! There are great gems and nuggets of information in there, as well as interesting quotes and reviews... But I digress; just, everyone should give it a glance now and then! Here's some gamelan info I found (from different people): ----- Check out Robert Macht's "Suite for Javanese Gamelan and *Synthesizer*". Yes, it is as good as you probably are imagining right now. They have it at cdnow (with sound samples). --- [someone recommended] Music For The Gods: The Fahnestock South Sea Expedition: Indonesia Label: RYKO ,1994 Recorded in Indonesia in 1941. --- My favorite Gamelan) is on a budget "World" label ( maybe budget... I'm guessing as I got them cheap ) is "Degung Sabilulungan, Music of West Java, Vols 1+ 2" The label is Interra. I've heard a lot of Gamelan inluding the joemull mentioned, " Music for the Gods". The above 2 discs are *highly* recommended. --- just picked up a used copy of "music from the morning of the world: the balinese gamelan & ketjak: the ramayana monkey chant" on nonesuch/explorer. excellent stuff - it was recorded in 1966 and features some great playing. I wasn't sure when I picked it up what the monkey chant would be, but my suspicions were correct. if you've seen the movie 'baraka,' [I think] there's a sequence with a group of people seated in concentric circles, chanting rapidly and moving their arms in the air. that's the monkey chant - on the CD a 22 minute recording of its enactment of the ramayana, monkey hordes rushing to aid prince rama in his battle with the evil king ravana. "complete with monkey chorus" in general the balinese gamelan music is much faster than that of java or sumatra, but local styles of music vary widely across the population of 213+ million on 6000 islands as do the various classical and folk musics. thus the 17 so-far volumes of the smithsonian folkways series, all of which are amazing, I'm sure. I only have volume 8. there's a page of gamelan-related links at http://www.gamelan.org/AGI/jd.websites.html and short reviews of gamelan CDs here: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gjvo/gamelan/gamelan_reviews.html directory of gamelan groups in the US, canada and europe http://www.glue.umd.edu/~satu/gamelan/list.htm --- and thus ends my blantant stealing of other people's information. There's probably more to be found... -Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-21 02:40James R McPhersonWhen one of the fellas in Autechre was on the list (about 2 years ago) this thread came up
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When one of the fellas in Autechre was on the list (about 2 years ago) this thread came up - when I posed a similar query he (dunno which one) responded with a very long list of excellent recordings, where to get them, what to listen for, and where to travel to hear gamelan "orchestras". Unfortunately, almost all of his recommendations were available only in Indonesia. Soon after this, he disappeared, probably due to the very vocal part of the list that found lp5 to be Ae "going up their own ass" to quote several evocative and no doubt very "critical" reviews. Does it influence them? I can't say. But they can ... interestingly enough - my first taste of gamelan made me think _Garbage_ ; ) Wasn't Erik Satie likewise mesmerised by court gamelan? J On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:39:20 -0400 "d_jak" <d_jak@netzero.net> writes:
quoted 3 lines i played in a gamelan for 3.5 years while in college and i've always> i played in a gamelan for 3.5 years while in college and i've always > been > intruiged by the parallels i saw between gamelan and IDM. anyone know
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quoted 2 lines music,> music, > cited it as an influence, etc...?
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2001-07-20 03:53eric@synthesizer.org>Wasn't Erik Satie likewise mesmerised by court gamelan? Could be, but the standard reduct
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quoted 1 line Wasn't Erik Satie likewise mesmerised by court gamelan?>Wasn't Erik Satie likewise mesmerised by court gamelan?
Could be, but the standard reduction of history has Debussy inventing ambient music after hearing gamelan at the Paris Exhibition in 1889. -eric --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-21 12:47netheddo you still have this list and would you mind reposting it? At 9:40 pm -0500 20/7/01, Jam
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do you still have this list and would you mind reposting it? At 9:40 pm -0500 20/7/01, James R McPherson wrote:
quoted 6 lines When one of the fellas in Autechre was on the list (about 2 years ago)>When one of the fellas in Autechre was on the list (about 2 years ago) >this thread came up - when I posed a similar query he (dunno which one) >responded with a very long list >of excellent recordings, where to get them, what to listen for, and where >to travel to hear gamelan "orchestras". Unfortunately, almost all of his >recommendations were available only in Indonesia.
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2001-07-21 14:53Adam Piontek> -----Original Message----- > From: nethed [mailto:nethed@ninjatune.net] > Sent: Saturday
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RE: [idm] gamelan and IDM
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quoted 5 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: nethed [mailto:nethed@ninjatune.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 8:48 AM > > do you still have this list and would you mind reposting it?
Maybe James really has something longer, but I swear I just posted yesterday a bunch of gamelan info culled from the June 1999 archive, including the post by Autechre. So, you could look in http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/idm/archives/idm.9906.gz (Autechre's email for the list was lota@pop3.demon.co.uk, so you can just search for that if you just want their posts) Or you could look for my post of gamelan-info compiled from that month in the current month's archive: http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/idm/archives/idm.0107 (and search for lota@pop3.demon.co.uk since I mentioned it in that post, too.) If James has something not in the archives, that'd be great... -Adam _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-21 19:13d_jakThanks to all of you for the great suggestions regarding gamelan music etc... (ach, i have
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d_jak
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Guillaume Grenier , idm
Date:
Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:13:43 -0400
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Re: [idm] gamelan and IDM
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Thanks to all of you for the great suggestions regarding gamelan music etc... (ach, i have even more music to buy now!!!) a couple of clarifications about the nature of gamelan music: every gamelan orchestra is uniquely tuned to itself and only itself (this it due to the mythology behind the music which holds that each gamelan orchestra has its own "spirit" and therefore tuning one orchestra the same as another one would be stealing that orchestra's spirit). due to this unique tuning, a piece of gamelan music will sound completely different for every orchestra that plays it. so, a lot of gamelan music is written specifically for one orchestra with that specific tuning scheme in mind. The tuning of a gamelan is not "equal tempered" like all western music, but rather realies on (approximately) quarter tones and other odd distances between the notes (all of which can be precisely pinpointed using the "cents" system of tuning , but that's another story). anyway, this is what gives gamelan its "caucaphonous" sound to western ears. that and the fact that many of the embellishment parts in the traditional javanese pieces work on a "tension/release" principle where some notes clash with the main melody while the next note is in "harmony" (but gamelan's don't actually recognize harmony - again, another story). Guillaume - i'm guessing that the concert you attended was a traditional javanese performance. those performances are characterized by pieces that are slow and stately and really really long. western audiences unfamiliar with the music inevitably find it boring. however, i promise that really immersing yourslef in that music is worth it - there is a lot going on. the balinese style, on the other hand, was reinvented about 100 some odd years ago to please western audiences (i'm serious). it is characterized by really fast and dramatic pieces that are, generally, a lot shorter. the balinese style is definitely a lot more "fun." one last thing - i've always found that all recordings of gamelan really don't do justice to the subtlety of the live performance. so, for those of you who haven't had a chance to hear it live, don't write it off based on any recordings you might hear. and, of course for me, nothing else even comes close to the feeling it get when playing with the gamelan. :-) thanks again everyone - d np: Markant Cat-25 LP2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Guillaume Grenier <gollum@videotron.ca> To: idm <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [idm] gamelan and IDM
quoted 9 lines On 19/07/01 23:32, brian albers said in living color:> On 19/07/01 23:32, brian albers said in living color: > > > > > > > To the person who asked "What exactly is a gamelan?"- > > > > It's a xylophone type instrument originating in Indonesia/Pacific Rim > > islands. They are tuned in a very general sort of way. Like "This one is > > close to 'A' so it goes here." So every instrument is like a grossly out
of
quoted 1 line tune piano but when you have a gamelan orchestra of 15 players, it can> > tune piano but when you have a gamelan orchestra of 15 players, it can
have
quoted 1 line a very warbly hypnotic sound. Most of us who were brought up listening> > a very warbly hypnotic sound. Most of us who were brought up listening
to
quoted 1 line western/European music at first fint it quite caucaphonous. An aquired> > western/European music at first fint it quite caucaphonous. An aquired
taste
quoted 8 lines you might say.> > you might say. > > Actually, gamelan is the name of the orchestra rather than the instruments > it is comprised of (which include xylophones, gongs and drums). > > The most common gamelan are Javanese and Balinese. > > And it is an acquired taste indeed. I consider myself extremely open to
all
quoted 4 lines sorts of music (from numerous regions and epochs). But when I went to an> sorts of music (from numerous regions and epochs). But when I went to an > all-gamelan concert, I was bored shitless and left at the intermission > (something I almost never do). I was surprised, cause I really thought I > would like the stuff. I haven't ruled out that music yet, but the
experience
quoted 16 lines has made me, hmm say, slightly more cautious...> has made me, hmm say, slightly more cautious... > > g. > > -- > Guillaume Grenier - gollum@videotron.ca > > in space there is no north in space there is no south > in space there is no east in space there is no west > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-08-13 23:06Digital Cutup Lounged_jak wrote: > i played in a gamelan for 3.5 years while in college and i've always been >
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d_jak
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Date:
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Re: [idm] gamelan and IDM
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d_jak wrote:
quoted 9 lines i played in a gamelan for 3.5 years while in college and i've always been> i played in a gamelan for 3.5 years while in college and i've always been > intruiged by the parallels i saw between gamelan and IDM. (My first > reaction was something like "wow, proto-techno" :-P ) anyway, i've only > come across one artist who has attempted to meld IDM and gamelan: Jhno - > Kwno (came out 97 or 98, i think?). "drum & java" is a great song, but i > feel a lot more could be done using traditional javanese structures to build > electronic music. anyone know of any artists who've sampled gamelan music, > cited it as an influence, etc...? sorry if this has been discussed > previously.
By coincidence, we've just been working on a remix of a contemporary gamelan piece, combining some Indonesian sounds with jazz improv and software tweaking, check it: http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com/audio_video/Digital_Cutup_Lounge-Mbuh_[Network_Mix].mp3 If that link gets chopped off in this email, there is also a link to the same file on our music page: http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com/dclmusic.htm John -- John von Seggern DJ/producer Digital Cutup Lounge Hong Kong http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org