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2001-07-08 08:42St ranger [idm] just remember who's the daddy
├─ 2001-07-08 11:09Nintari Man Re: [idm] just remember who's the daddy
└─ 2001-07-08 14:13Adam Piontek RE: [idm] just remember who's the daddy
└─ 2001-07-08 14:59St ranger RE: [idm] just remember who's the daddy
2001-07-08 20:45Bill Burroughs Re: [idm] just remember who's the daddy
└─ 2001-07-09 20:44ugly and mean Re: [idm] just remember who's the daddy
└─ 2001-07-09 20:50Brian MacDonald Re: [idm] just remember who's the daddy
└─ 2001-07-09 20:54Adam Piontek Re: [idm] just remember who's the daddy
└─ 2001-07-09 21:12Eva Casal Re: [idm] just remember who's the daddy
2001-07-09 21:22Static Beats Re: [idm] just signed up...
└─ 2001-07-09 22:16Adam Piontek RE: [idm] just signed up...
2001-07-09 22:24Static Beats Re: [idm] just signed up...
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2001-07-08 08:42St rangerHaving heard quite a bit of feedback from the new squarepusher album I've been shocked by
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Having heard quite a bit of feedback from the new squarepusher album I've been shocked by the amount of negativity towards it. I mean fair do's, everyone has there own opinion but terms such as "Tiresome" and certain magazine reviewers using comments such as "ho-hum" is, I beleive a step too far. "Breaks pioneers such as Photek have moved on, Jenkinson is still giggling in the corner, still willing to the contrary" I have respect for Photek, he's released some great tracks, but you can't compare a Metalheadz artist to someone like Squarepusher, that just comparing them because they both use elements of D&B, Squarepusher, as you would have obviously heard does so much more than that. Electronic music needs artists such as Squarepusher, AFX, Mike Paradinas, and Ae, through to lesser known artists such as Vim!, Pendle, and Jamie Liddell. These people are examples of true pioneers, obviously the list goes on. Two things: 1. Forgot how much Squarepusher is a don? - Port Rhombus/Tundra/Big Loada/Vic Acid/Chaos AD 2. Getting bored with this type of music? - You shouldn't be listening to it __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-08 11:09Nintari ManDude, you're talking to the most fickle group of music fucks on the planet. Props for atte
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Dude, you're talking to the most fickle group of music fucks on the planet. Props for attempting to talk some sense, but, after reading through most of the endless and idiotic rants on this list, I don't even know why people still try. Is anyone really interested in reading someone else's 10 page dissertation on 'why so and so sucks'? Play nice, Kids. --Nintari Man On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, St ranger wrote:
quoted 50 lines Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 01:42:48 -0700 (PDT)> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 01:42:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: St ranger <pleaseinputusername@yahoo.com> > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] just remember who's the daddy > > Having heard quite a bit of feedback from the new > squarepusher album I've been shocked by the amount of > negativity towards it. > > I mean fair do's, everyone has there own opinion but > terms such as "Tiresome" and certain magazine > reviewers using comments such as "ho-hum" is, I > beleive a step too far. > > "Breaks pioneers such as Photek have moved on, > Jenkinson is still giggling in the corner, still > willing to the contrary" > > I have respect for Photek, he's released some great > tracks, but you can't compare a Metalheadz artist to > someone like Squarepusher, that just comparing them > because they both use elements of D&B, Squarepusher, > as you would have obviously heard does so much more > than that. > > Electronic music needs artists such as Squarepusher, > AFX, Mike Paradinas, and Ae, through to lesser known > artists such as Vim!, Pendle, and Jamie Liddell. > > These people are examples of true pioneers, obviously > the list goes on. > > Two things: > > 1. Forgot how much Squarepusher is a don? > - Port Rhombus/Tundra/Big Loada/Vic Acid/Chaos AD > > 2. Getting bored with this type of music? > - You shouldn't be listening to it > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-07-08 14:13Adam Piontekall right, i'll bite - don't read this if you're just gonna follow your hormones and get a
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all right, i'll bite - don't read this if you're just gonna follow your hormones and get all upset; I'm trying to use some 'sense' too (as nintari said this post had some)...
quoted 7 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: St ranger [mailto:pleaseinputusername@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 4:43 AM > > Having heard quite a bit of feedback from the new > squarepusher album I've been shocked by the amount of > negativity towards it.
I've been shocked by all the positivity I've heard. I mean, I've read a few negative things here and there, but most of what *I've* seen has been "squarepusher as god" type stuff. (that's kinda why i've been outspoken about my lack of interest in the new one, not that it matters)
quoted 4 lines I mean fair do's, everyone has there own opinion but> I mean fair do's, everyone has there own opinion but > terms such as "Tiresome" and certain magazine > reviewers using comments such as "ho-hum" is, I > beleive a step too far.
why? Do you mean "too far" like "inappropriate" or "too far" like "I think they're wrong"? Because you just said everyone has there [sic] own opinion, but then you say their opinions are "a step too far" and that seems kind of oxymoronic, if you ask me. How can an opinion go to far, unless it's about something more scientific and can obviously be refuted, like "my opinion is that the earth rotates around the moon"?
quoted 6 lines I have respect for Photek, he's released some great> I have respect for Photek, he's released some great > tracks, but you can't compare a Metalheadz artist to > someone like Squarepusher, that just comparing them > because they both use elements of D&B, Squarepusher, > as you would have obviously heard does so much more > than that.
have to agree here - I've always thought there was something different in SP's music that set him obviously apart from your average d'n'b-er. Comparing him to photek would seem odd to me. Maybe the reviewer just usually reviews pop stuff? I don't know, didn't read that article...
quoted 3 lines Electronic music needs artists such as Squarepusher,> Electronic music needs artists such as Squarepusher, > AFX, Mike Paradinas, and Ae, through to lesser known > artists such as Vim!, Pendle, and Jamie Liddell.
Hmm, well, electronic music just needs people to make what they want to make and be who they are. It doesn't "need" any particular "type" of musician, unless you've got an axe to grind.
quoted 2 lines These people are examples of true pioneers, obviously> These people are examples of true pioneers, obviously > the list goes on.
Everyone's a pioneer to somebody.
quoted 2 lines 1. Forgot how much Squarepusher is a don?> 1. Forgot how much Squarepusher is a don? > - Port Rhombus/Tundra/Big Loada/Vic Acid/Chaos AD
Yes, his earlier stuff *does* kick major ass. I still love that shit. Was wondering, after listening to Go Plastic, if maybe it was me - like "should I sell some of my other Squarepusher? Because I obviously am just not into him anymore." But you know what? I couldn't stop listening to Chaos A.D. - that album, though previously my least favorite SP album, is definitely in a leage of its own and I just can't part with it. I did decide to get rid of Selection 16, though. I mean, I'll be burning the three or four good tracks on it to a compilation I'm making, cuz they're worth it, but they're not worth the whole album. I think it should have been an EP, and half as long. The last half can just go bye-bye. As for Go Plastic itself, I'm not going to rant on about how I don't like it, because the more I listen to it, the more I get into it. But the thing is, it simply is not like the stuff he's done before. It's harder to get into, and his previous stuff was so immediately likeable. No, music doesn't have to be immediately likeable, but I'm just trying to make the point about its fundamental difference from previous squarepusher work, which is hard to describe, but it's the reason people don't like it. It's not what they were expecting (especially after the My Red Hot Car single, which is a horrible example of what the album is like), and it's not what most people will want to listen to again and again, whether you think that makes them dumber or not.
quoted 2 lines 2. Getting bored with this type of music?> 2. Getting bored with this type of music? > - You shouldn't be listening to it
What an elitist thing to say. For all your peaceful writing, you had to end with this? This sort of statement just shows that you have a simple view of music. Just because you like A, B, C, and D, it does not follow that everyone else who likes A, B, and C, must like D. -Adam _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-08 14:59St rangerJust sending this reply out again as I'm not sure the last one left my machine. Some good
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Just sending this reply out again as I'm not sure the last one left my machine. Some good points raised in your mail, I didn't appreciate the tone and presumptive nature of some of your statements, but indeed valid points were made. The main point of my post was just to try and encourage people to spend more of there spare time writing about things they like as opposed to writing an essay on how, let's say "Squarepusher has lost it"? I don't beleive I am being elitist when I say this. I think critics do take things to far when they attach a one word opinion to someones work, an opinion should be explained and not merely described as "yawn". My previous post was not directed at you in any way and your point regarding the album is fine as you have not resorted to condensing your opinion into soundbites and illustrated why you have that opinion. The Squarepusher album is just an example, Ive heard comments such as Autechre "Just Noises", Plaid "No Depth" and so on..... Of course I don't let these opinions get too me but they do get on my breasts. and I don't have breasts peace __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-08 20:45Bill BurroughsWell said dude...I'm more of a Photek fan than a squarepusher fan, but as a bass player my
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Well said dude...I'm more of a Photek fan than a squarepusher fan, but as a bass player myself, I have a really soft spot for the guy - he plays a mean bass, his tune are good, and he innovates enough for me... Having said that...be prepared to be slated by the IDM-gestappo for daring to be positive about an artist... :) RoNAn ----- Original Message ----- From: "St ranger" <pleaseinputusername@yahoo.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: [idm] just remember who's the daddy
quoted 44 lines Having heard quite a bit of feedback from the new> Having heard quite a bit of feedback from the new > squarepusher album I've been shocked by the amount of > negativity towards it. > > I mean fair do's, everyone has there own opinion but > terms such as "Tiresome" and certain magazine > reviewers using comments such as "ho-hum" is, I > beleive a step too far. > > "Breaks pioneers such as Photek have moved on, > Jenkinson is still giggling in the corner, still > willing to the contrary" > > I have respect for Photek, he's released some great > tracks, but you can't compare a Metalheadz artist to > someone like Squarepusher, that just comparing them > because they both use elements of D&B, Squarepusher, > as you would have obviously heard does so much more > than that. > > Electronic music needs artists such as Squarepusher, > AFX, Mike Paradinas, and Ae, through to lesser known > artists such as Vim!, Pendle, and Jamie Liddell. > > These people are examples of true pioneers, obviously > the list goes on. > > Two things: > > 1. Forgot how much Squarepusher is a don? > - Port Rhombus/Tundra/Big Loada/Vic Acid/Chaos AD > > 2. Getting bored with this type of music? > - You shouldn't be listening to it > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2001-07-09 20:44ugly and mean--- Bill Burroughs <djmatus23@yahoo.com> wrote: > Well said dude...I'm more of a Photek fa
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--- Bill Burroughs <djmatus23@yahoo.com> wrote:
quoted 9 lines Well said dude...I'm more of a Photek fan than a squarepusher fan, but> Well said dude...I'm more of a Photek fan than a squarepusher fan, but > as a > bass player myself, I have a really soft spot for the guy - he plays a > mean > bass, his tune are good, and he innovates enough for me... > > Having said that...be prepared to be slated by the IDM-gestappo for > daring > to be positive about an artist...
I can't even remember the last time the legendary "IDM-gestapo" made an appearance on this list. I don't really see why it even keeps getting mention. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-09 20:50Brian MacDonaldOn Mon, 9 Jul 2001, ugly and mean wrote: > I can't even remember the last time the legenda
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On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, ugly and mean wrote:
quoted 3 lines I can't even remember the last time the legendary "IDM-gestapo" made an> I can't even remember the last time the legendary "IDM-gestapo" made an > appearance on this list. I don't really see why it even keeps getting >mention.
It's not the IDM gestappo's style to make appearances on lists. They just talk to some people, make some phone calls, send some e-mails -- just take care of some *problems*, you know? Here's some advice for you and your family: just stay out of their way, and they'll stay out of your way. ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> not necessarily a spokesman for the much maligned IDM gestappo ======================================================================= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-09 20:54Adam Piontek--- Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> wrote: > It's not the IDM gestappo's style to make >
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--- Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> wrote:
quoted 2 lines It's not the IDM gestappo's style to make> It's not the IDM gestappo's style to make > appearances on lists. They just
Is the IDM gestappo related to IDM gespacho? If there were to be an IDMest soup, it would have to be gespacho. -Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-09 21:12Eva Casalhi there, i just signed up to the list, as i found it might be an alright thing. i have be
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hi there, i just signed up to the list, as i found it might be an alright thing. i have been into electronic music for a while now ... but yeah never does any harm to be even better informed ... but i find: it's rather annoying getting private chat-like mails like this stuff every ten minutes, rather than productive and informational stuff ... does anyone agree , or is this how it always looks like on this list ??? kind regards a new list recipient . e. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-09 21:22Static BeatsI think you've just defined the meaning of LOL ! Unfortunately yes, this is how it always
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I think you've just defined the meaning of LOL ! Unfortunately yes, this is how it always looks on this list. If you want a list with less signal to noise ratio try the IDM-M list. It's moderated and can be found here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idm-m Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music For The Mind http://www.shimone.org | Pictures From The Soul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eva Casal" <eva@tresor-berlin.de> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [idm] just remember who's the daddy
quoted 7 lines hi there,> hi there, > > i just signed up to the list, as i found it might be an alright thing. > i have been into electronic music for a while now ... but yeah never does > any harm to be even better informed ... > but i find: it's rather annoying getting private chat-like mails like this > stuff every ten minutes, rather than productive and informational stuff
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quoted 8 lines does anyone agree , or is this how it always looks like on this list ???> does anyone agree , or is this how it always looks like on this list ??? > > kind regards > > a new list recipient . > > e. >
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2001-07-09 22:16Adam PiontekHowever, being subscribed to the IDM-M list, it seems to have a lot less useful content, a
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However, being subscribed to the IDM-M list, it seems to have a lot less useful content, as well. the ratio is down, but at what cost? oh well. -Adam
quoted 54 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Static Beats [mailto:static@staticbeats.com] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 5:23 PM > To: Eva Casal > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] just signed up... > > > I think you've just defined the meaning of LOL ! > > Unfortunately yes, this is how it always looks on this list. > If you want a list with less signal to noise ratio try the IDM-M list. > It's moderated and can be found here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idm-m > > > > Shimone/Justes > http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music For The Mind > http://www.shimone.org | Pictures From The Soul > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eva Casal" <eva@tresor-berlin.de> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:12 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] just remember who's the daddy > > > > hi there, > > > > i just signed up to the list, as i found it might be an alright thing. > > i have been into electronic music for a while now ... but yeah > never does > > any harm to be even better informed ... > > but i find: it's rather annoying getting private chat-like > mails like this > > stuff every ten minutes, rather than productive and informational stuff > ... > > does anyone agree , or is this how it always looks like on this list ??? > > > > kind regards > > > > a new list recipient . > > > > e. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-07-09 22:24Static Beatsyeah I know.... give it some time. its still in it's infant stages and only has a couple h
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yeah I know.... give it some time. its still in it's infant stages and only has a couple hundred listmembers. Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music For The Mind http://www.shimone.org | Pictures From The Soul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Piontek" <apiontek@yahoo.com> To: "Static Beats" <static@staticbeats.com>; "Eva Casal" <eva@tresor-berlin.de> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:16 PM Subject: RE: [idm] just signed up...
quoted 18 lines However, being subscribed to the IDM-M list, it seems to have a lot less> However, being subscribed to the IDM-M list, it seems to have a lot less > useful content, as well. the ratio is down, but at what cost? > oh well. > -Adam > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Static Beats [mailto:static@staticbeats.com] > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 5:23 PM > > To: Eva Casal > > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: [idm] just signed up... > > > > > > I think you've just defined the meaning of LOL ! > > > > Unfortunately yes, this is how it always looks on this list. > > If you want a list with less signal to noise ratio try the IDM-M list. > > It's moderated and can be found here:
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quoted 25 lines Shimone/Justes> > > > > > > > Shimone/Justes > > http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music For The Mind > > http://www.shimone.org | Pictures From The Soul > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Eva Casal" <eva@tresor-berlin.de> > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [idm] just remember who's the daddy > > > > > > > hi there, > > > > > > i just signed up to the list, as i found it might be an alright thing. > > > i have been into electronic music for a while now ... but yeah > > never does > > > any harm to be even better informed ... > > > but i find: it's rather annoying getting private chat-like > > mails like this > > > stuff every ten minutes, rather than productive and informational
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quoted 7 lines kind regards> > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > a new list recipient . > > > > > > e. > > >
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