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2001-07-02 15:24Ian Pojman [idm] "rap"
2001-07-02 15:45Dan John Re: [idm] "rap"
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2001-07-02 23:59Ron Jeremy Re: [idm] "rap"
2001-07-03 01:03Digital Cutup Lounge Re: [idm] "rap"
2001-07-03 02:02Bill Burroughs Re: [idm] "rap"
2001-07-04 11:41Anig Browl Re: [idm] "rap"
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2001-07-02 15:24Ian Pojmanon 7/2/01 9:48, idm-digest-help@hyperreal.org at idm-digest-help@hyperreal.org wrote: > Su
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on 7/2/01 9:48, idm-digest-help@hyperreal.org at idm-digest-help@hyperreal.org wrote:
quoted 11 lines Subject: Re: [idm] Aphex Twin - Drukqs> Subject: Re: [idm] Aphex Twin - Drukqs > Message-ID: <00ae01c1028b$e3bcb770$0100a8c0@co995856a> > > I'm sure if I enjoyed the music, then I WOULD have found those comments > 'snide and rather ignorant'. But guess what? I DON'T like rap therefore I > find them to be true. As you may have missed, I added in the line "That's > just my two cents" meaning that it's my PERSONAL opinion take it or leave > it. I never expected so many people actually waste their time listening to > Snoop Doggy Fucking Dog and DMX (not Krew). Yeah... that's rap. If you're > saying Eminem is more talented than artists like Phonem, ?-ziq, Richard > James, etc. etc. than you have to be smokin' some mighty fine crack.
A < B and A > B. they are snide and ignorant not because you dont like "rap" but you throw the term around like you know what youre talking about. I know you dont like "rap", you havent listed anything decent. And yes, thats exactly my whole point. Now youre starting to understand. Snoppy Doggy Fucking Dog (whend he change his name?) and DMX are better than muziq and Phonem and RDJ.
quoted 2 lines BTW, I listen to Marumari quite a bit and if you classify that as rap, I'd> BTW, I listen to Marumari quite a bit and if you classify that as rap, I'd > LOVE to have a look at your musical dictionary.
wtf are you talking about??? you should stop posting before you make a fool of yo'self :) word is bond --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-02 15:45Dan John----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Pojman" <ipojman@jmlafferty.com> To: <idm@hyperrea
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Pojman" <ipojman@jmlafferty.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: [idm] "rap" >they are snide and ignorant not because you dont like "rap" but you throw
quoted 1 line the term around like you know what youre talking about. I know you dont>the term around like you know what youre talking about. I know you dont
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quoted 1 line "rap", you havent listed anything decent.>"rap", you havent listed anything decent.
Guess WHY I haven't listened to anything decent? Show it to me and I'll glady give it a spin.
quoted 1 line BTW, I listen to Marumari quite a bit and if you classify that as rap,> > BTW, I listen to Marumari quite a bit and if you classify that as rap,
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quoted 3 lines LOVE to have a look at your musical dictionary.> > LOVE to have a look at your musical dictionary. > > wtf are you talking about??? you should stop posting before you make a
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quoted 1 line of yo'self :)> of yo'self :)
This is just an ignorant comment. I'm talking about the fact that I don't think Marumari should be classified as rap. Plain and simple.
quoted 1 line word is bond> word is bond
You're calling me a fool? What the christ does that mean?
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2001-07-02 22:58ugly and mean> Guess WHY I haven't listened to anything decent? Show it to me and I'll > glady give it
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quoted 2 lines Guess WHY I haven't listened to anything decent? Show it to me and I'll> Guess WHY I haven't listened to anything decent? Show it to me and I'll > glady give it a spin.
Yeah, it's the JOB of the people on this list to impress you. Let's all send Dan John our classic hip hop vinyl in hopes that he won't dislike black music/culture anymore. I usually enjoy useless conversations on this list, but this one has got to end. This guy is obviously an angry white man with a chip on his shoulder, and nothing positive that anyone says about hip hop is going to change his attitude. I kill-filtered that Ron Jeremy clown a long time ago, but still have to read his ass-flake statements through replies from other people, and now the same is going to happen with this clown. Anyone that starts a statement with "I'm not racist or anything..." and then unleashes a torrent of racial stereotypes that would make Jimmy the Greek blush, is not going to become a changed man just because a person with good intentions posted a list of great classic hip hop for him to listen to. I don't have a problem with off-topic threads, but this one is reminding me of a situation I've been in way too many times in my life: being in a room with a bunch of spineless white people, where there is no chance of a black person hearing them, and trying to ignore their ignorant condemnations of a culture they couldn't possibly understand. If nothing else, it just reminds me that in order to receive news and reviews on a kind of music I'm currently into; I have to be a part of a scene/email list that praises the talents of wack white producers that do everything possible to take the soul and blackness out of hip hop, and trying to call it "progressive". and all this on a list that has the audacity to call itself "intelligent". P.S., fuck Anticon, cLOUDDEAD, Pre73, and Dan "the Automator", too, for good measure. Yeah, yeah, I know it's blasphemy.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-02 23:30eric@synthesizer.org>> Guess WHY I haven't listened to anything decent? Show it to me and I'll >> glady give i
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quoted 6 lines Guess WHY I haven't listened to anything decent? Show it to me and I'll>> Guess WHY I haven't listened to anything decent? Show it to me and I'll >> glady give it a spin. > >Yeah, it's the JOB of the people on this list to impress you. Let's all >send Dan John our classic hip hop vinyl in hopes that he won't dislike >black music/culture anymore.
The whole "rap sucks, prove me wrong!" tone is just offputting. It's common knowledge, however, that one thing the IDM list is good at is falling for numbskull flamebait.
quoted 2 lines P.S., fuck Anticon, cLOUDDEAD, Pre73, and Dan "the Automator", too, for>P.S., fuck Anticon, cLOUDDEAD, Pre73, and Dan "the Automator", too, for >good measure. Yeah, yeah, I know it's blasphemy..
Nah, not really. I can see reasons for not liking them as rap acts, and indeed the degree to which I like any of them has more to do with things the music resonates with outside of hip hop (x - "hip hop" = something interesting, sometimes). Beyond that, I can't imagine anybody seriously considering Prefuse 73 to be a hip hop act. -eric --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-03 00:11ugly and mean> >P.S., fuck Anticon, cLOUDDEAD, Pre73, and Dan "the Automator", too, for > >good measure
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quoted 8 lines P.S., fuck Anticon, cLOUDDEAD, Pre73, and Dan "the Automator", too, for> >P.S., fuck Anticon, cLOUDDEAD, Pre73, and Dan "the Automator", too, for > >good measure. Yeah, yeah, I know it's blasphemy.. > > Nah, not really. I can see reasons for not liking them as rap acts, and > indeed the degree to which I like any of them has more to do with things > the music resonates with outside of hip hop (x - "hip hop" = something > interesting, sometimes). Beyond that, I can't imagine anybody seriously > considering Prefuse 73 to be a hip hop act.
I consider Prefuse 73 to be more of a hip hop act than and IDM one, and also a prime offender of what I was talking about when I mentioned white producers taking the soul/blackness and in his case the message out of hip hop and giving it back to a 99% white suburban audience. cLOUDDEAD and Anticon are just embarrassing to listen to, but at least they try to keep something real. I shouldn't have even mentioned Dan the Automator at all, because while I don't dig most of the stuff he's done lately (Gorillaz anyone?) as hip hop acts, at least he's trying to break new ground -- not to mention break down stereotypes. Plus anyone that collaborates with Del, Kool Keith, and Prince Paul can't be all bad. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-03 02:00eric@synthesizer.org>I consider Prefuse 73 to be more of a hip hop act than and IDM one, and >also a prime off
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quoted 4 lines I consider Prefuse 73 to be more of a hip hop act than and IDM one, and>I consider Prefuse 73 to be more of a hip hop act than and IDM one, and >also a prime offender of what I was talking about when I mentioned white >producers taking the soul/blackness and in his case the message out of hip >hop and giving it back to a 99% white suburban audience.
Sounds like a textbook definition of some flavors of IDM. :) I mean, if you have something that is considered to be hip hop and then suck out the history and replace it with nonverbal snippets of an anonymous MC, what does that leave you with? Half of Chiastic Slide, if you ask me. By the by, this "Artie Shaw/Benny Goodman/Bill Haley" cultural astringency argument is what I was wondering when I asked a few months ago if anybody knew any details on the P73 samples. The dearth of responses spoke as much about his fans as it did the music. That said, I still listen to it and like it but I don't consider it hip hop. There's a track on one of the first couple Schematics that mixes well with Foxy Brown's "Hot Spot". -eric onnow: Dub Tractor, "Delay" (FX) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-03 01:43nethed> > Guess WHY I haven't listened to anything decent? Show it to me and I'll > > glady give
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quoted 2 lines Guess WHY I haven't listened to anything decent? Show it to me and I'll> > Guess WHY I haven't listened to anything decent? Show it to me and I'll > > glady give it a spin.
check out the new roots manuva. or 'your revolution' a little record that got a community radio station in oregon a $7000 fine (http://www.bust.com) but you probably wont get roots or hear it in the states for awhile.
quoted 3 lines P.S., fuck Anticon, cLOUDDEAD, Pre73, and Dan "the Automator", too, for> >P.S., fuck Anticon, cLOUDDEAD, Pre73, and Dan "the Automator", too, for >good measure. Yeah, yeah, I know it's blasphemy..
oh yeah, fuck the majesticons too (Mike Ladd, Infesticons) isnt freedom of speech wonderful? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-02 23:59Ron Jeremy>From: ugly and mean <ugly_and_mean@yahoo.com> > >Yeah, it's the JOB of the people on this
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quoted 3 lines From: ugly and mean <ugly_and_mean@yahoo.com>>From: ugly and mean <ugly_and_mean@yahoo.com> > >Yeah, it's the JOB of the people on this list to impress you.
It doesn't seem too off-topic for this list for someone to ask for a recommendation. It's not like you are obligated too.
quoted 3 lines Let's all>Let's all >send Dan John our classic hip hop vinyl in hopes that he won't dislike >black music/culture anymore.
So if one would say that they didn't like rock would that mean they dislike white culture. I think Black people have influenced and created many other styles other than hip hop. Just because someone doesn't like commercial hip hop doesn't make them racist. And hip hop isn't the absolute expression for black culture, it's just one part of it.
quoted 4 lines I usually enjoy useless conversations on this list, but this one has got>I usually enjoy useless conversations on this list, but this one has got >to end. This guy is obviously an angry white man with a chip on his >shoulder, and nothing positive that anyone says about hip hop is going to >change his attitude.
Just because someone doesn't have positive statements about the current state of hip hop...or what is being played in mainstream media doesn't mean it isn't worthy of discussion.
quoted 3 lines I kill-filtered that Ron Jeremy clown a long time>I kill-filtered that Ron Jeremy clown a long time >ago, but still have to read his ass-flake statements through replies from >other people, and now the same is going to happen with this clown.
Name calling. how mature. hahahahaha
quoted 10 lines Anyone>Anyone >that starts a statement with "I'm not racist or anything..." and then >unleashes a torrent of racial stereotypes that would make Jimmy the Greek >blush, is not going to become a changed man just because a person with >good intentions posted a list of great classic hip hop for him to listen >to. I don't have a problem with off-topic threads, but this one is >reminding me of a situation I've been in way too many times in my life: >being in a room with a bunch of spineless white people, where there is no >chance of a black person hearing them, and trying to ignore their ignorant >condemnations of a culture they couldn't possibly understand.
I thought it was the hip hop tunes themselves that were reinforcing the stereotypes. You aren't stereotyping by saying "spineless white people" are you?
quoted 6 lines If nothing else, it just reminds me that in order to receive news and>If nothing else, it just reminds me that in order to receive news and >reviews on a kind of music I'm currently into; I have to be a part of a >scene/email list that praises the talents of wack white producers that do >everything possible to take the soul and blackness out of hip hop, and >trying to call it "progressive". and all this on a list that has the >audacity to call itself "intelligent".
Again I don't really care the color of the musician. I don't know if IDM is the list if you are looking for soul and blackness. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-03 01:03Digital Cutup LoungeDan John wrote: > > > > BTW, I listen to Marumari quite a bit and if you classify that as
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Dan John wrote:
quoted 11 lines BTW, I listen to Marumari quite a bit and if you classify that as rap,> > > > BTW, I listen to Marumari quite a bit and if you classify that as rap, > I'd > > > LOVE to have a look at your musical dictionary. > > > > wtf are you talking about??? you should stop posting before you make a > fool > > of yo'self :) > > This is just an ignorant comment. I'm talking about the fact that I don't > think Marumari should be classified as rap. Plain and simple.
It sounds like you are categorizing the hiphop you like as 'hiphop' and the hiphop you don't like as 'rap'. Is there any other difference? Personally, a differentiation between rap and hiphop makes no sense to me at all. It's like you're talking nonsense, I really don't get your meaning here.
quoted 3 lines word is bond> > word is bond > > You're calling me a fool? What the christ does that mean?
Words are not always what they seem. Word! John -- John von Seggern DJ/producer Digital Cutup Lounge Hong Kong http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-03 02:02Bill BurroughsCould y'all keep the swearing down in here...for phoques sake... :) RoNAn <-- Electronica
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Could y'all keep the swearing down in here...for phoques sake... :) RoNAn <-- Electronica freek who doesn't like cLOUDDEAD...don't know why...sorry, just doesn't do it for me...seems like a poor attempt at being quirky...we don't need any more quirky funny bands...we have V/VM...it'll be a while before anyone surpasses those fools/maniacs...and their pig/cow/whatever... ----- Original Message ----- From: "nethed" <nethed@ninjatune.net> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [idm] "rap"
quoted 2 lines Guess WHY I haven't listened to anything decent? Show it to me and> > > > Guess WHY I haven't listened to anything decent? Show it to me and
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quoted 19 lines glady give it a spin.> > > glady give it a spin. > > check out the new roots manuva. or 'your revolution' a little record > that got a community radio station in oregon a $7000 fine > (http://www.bust.com) > > but you probably wont get roots or hear it in the states for awhile. > > > > >P.S., fuck Anticon, cLOUDDEAD, Pre73, and Dan "the Automator", too, for > >good measure. Yeah, yeah, I know it's blasphemy.. > > oh yeah, fuck the majesticons too (Mike Ladd, Infesticons) > > isnt freedom of speech wonderful? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2001-07-04 11:41Anig BrowlFrom: nethed <nethed@ninjatune.net> > check out the new roots manuva. or 'your revolution'
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quoted 3 lines check out the new roots manuva. or 'your revolution' a little record> check out the new roots manuva. or 'your revolution' a little record > that got a community radio station in oregon a $7000 fine > (http://www.bust.com)
http://www.airbubble.com/your_revolution.html is more detailed on the issue and includes links to write to the chairman of the FCC, which I encourage you to do after reviewing the case at http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2001/db0517/da011212.txt , if you care about censorship. Anig Browl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org