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2001-06-13 04:19Mark [idm] IDM = poor mixing/production?
├─ 2001-06-13 06:01Sebastian Chedal RE: [idm] IDM = poor mixing/production?
├─ 2001-06-13 15:14Gil Re: [idm] IDM = poor mixing/production?
├─ 2001-06-14 17:50butt chowder Re: [idm] IDM = poor mixing/production?
│ └─ 2001-06-14 19:24Sebastian Chedal RE: [idm] IDM = poor mixing/production?
└─ 2001-06-17 12:53Colin Buttimer Re: [idm] IDM = poor mixing/production?
2001-06-13 17:03Static Beats Re: [idm] Binaural
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2001-06-13 04:19MarkWell, my old headphones broke last week, and I went out and purchased a really really nice
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Well, my old headphones broke last week, and I went out and purchased a really really nice pair of Sony In-Ear buds. These are the headphones that have rubber tips that go inside your ear and act as a subwoofer. It gives gorgeous bass and crystal clear highs. So what's my point? Well, after listening to a good 3 to 4 dozen cds of all genres, I've noticed that maybe five cds out of the dozens had no peaking or pops or some mixing/mastering errors. The worst cds? IDM artists, of course. Aphex, of course, has peaked in quite a few of his songs, most notably "next heap width", the last track on I Care. But after listening to a bunch of other artists, I noticed certain songs and at times, whole albums, had horrible quality mixing with numerous instruments peaking and creating ugly pierces and pops that were obviously not intentional (if they were, it wasn't used in a creative tasteful context). The thing is, it's hard to hear these errors on normal speakers, and lower quality headphones, too. So, who were the perpetrators? Well, Marumari's The Wolves Hollow album was damn terrible in this area. Muziq's Lunatic Harness and Full Sunken Breaks (as Kid Spatula) were not bad overall, but in certain songs, worse! Now my question... what's the deal here? I also dabble in the field of writing wanky electronic music, and have been doing so for more than a couple years and have been able to keep peaking near or AT zero without any digital distortion, unsavory pops, etc! Certainly I can see that maybe Mike P recorded a keyboard lick melodically perfect, and decided not to redo it for the sake of perfect tone, but isn't that what I pay these signed artists for? Aren't they using a lot of software nowadays, too? I write my stuff all on software, with the occaisonal sample, and I have no problem with ill bred pops and distortion. Granted, I am a texture hobbit and love my crisp clean sound, but to hear professionals put out great songs that could sound better kind of gets me down. I nearly spend as much time mixing stuff down and mastering as writing the track itself. Any unintentional distortion or pop really fucks my shit right up. It's not complicated to clean up. It does take some extra effort. Just some thoughts for debate. Maybe this should have gone on IDM making, but I think its an issue big enough for all to be concerned about. Of all the artists in my cd collection, one has consistently put out absolutely crystal clear, spotless recordings, as well as amazing music. I won't tell you who they are, but their name rhymes with Raw-Neck-Er. btw, get those headphones... it's like listening to an album all over again. you hear shit you've never heard on any speakers or headphones (including overlooked mistakes)... fucking unbelievable. -Mark --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-06-13 06:01Sebastian Chedalwow those sound like really cool earphones... On a different but somewhat similar note- I'
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wow those sound like really cool earphones... On a different but somewhat similar note- I've always wanted to get binaural headphones / microphones [they are twin mic's that go into your ears so that: 1- no one knows your recording them and 2- it records in a fashion very similar to the way you hear stereo with your own little ears [due to location and your head acting like a head... um, yeah...] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-06-13 15:14GilOn Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Mark wrote: > Any unintentional distortion or pop really fucks my shi
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Mark wrote:
quoted 1 line Any unintentional distortion or pop really fucks my shit right up.> Any unintentional distortion or pop really fucks my shit right up.
if that's your attitude, I think you're coming at this music from the wrong POV. Of course the music isn't perfect, it's human. You sound like the DJ who criticises another DJ b/c he or she slips up or has some rough mixing in an otherwise emotional set. "if i took the time and dedication to become a flawless DJ everyone else should as well" -Gil --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-06-14 17:50butt chowder--- Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote: > Well, my old headphones broke last week, and I w
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--- Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote:
quoted 8 lines Well, my old headphones broke last week, and I went out and purchased a> Well, my old headphones broke last week, and I went out and purchased a > really really nice pair of Sony In-Ear buds. These are the headphones > that have rubber tips that go inside your ear and act as a subwoofer. > It gives gorgeous bass and crystal clear highs. So what's my point? > > Well, after listening to a good 3 to 4 dozen cds of all genres, I've > noticed that maybe five cds out of the dozens had no peaking or pops or > some mixing/mastering errors. The worst cds? IDM artists, of course.
I make electronic music on my computer. My friends upstairs are in a rock band. On my computer, I can put out a crisp - almost professional sounding - recording in a matter of a few hours from the time that the concept for the song appeared to me. I guess the equivalent would be them dropping a few grand on an 8 track tape recorder and a few microphones and recording a demo, which obviously would sound bad for it's own reasons. Point being: IDM groups might fool a lot of people with their crystal clear mostly digital production, but a lot of it's still "low budget" and amateurish due to money limitations and the fact that most IDM musicians insist on being their own producers as well - with or without any kind of training. That said, I do often worry that I'm going to get some kind of hearing damage from ultra high frequencies or some other kind of destructive audio signal from some of these noisier IDM groups (or even myself) that may have little idea of how to filter such things. I'd be interested in any insight regarding possible hearing damage from listening to amateurish digital music on headphones. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-06-14 19:24Sebastian Chedalturn down the treble. make sure that your sound is wide and covers the bell curve. compare
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turn down the treble. make sure that your sound is wide and covers the bell curve. compare your harsh sounds to those used by Ae and Speedy J [among others]- they get it right, it's industrial- but never harsh [well, relatively speaking of course]. grab a copy of "how to make professional mixes" and read it through. The manual that comes with the fin****er 96k is a great read. I might be able to email it to someone if you are interested, I don't think it is too big. Use your own ear to judge what is harsh, and why. Make people listen to it and see if they cringe in pain... =))) ~That said, I do often worry that I'm going to get some kind of hearing ~damage from ultra high frequencies or some other kind of ~destructive audio ~signal from some of these noisier IDM groups (or even myself) that may ~have little idea of how to filter such things. I'd be ~interested in any ~insight regarding possible hearing damage from listening to amateurish ~digital music on headphones. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-06-17 12:53Colin Buttimer> btw, get those headphones... it's like listening to an album all over > again. you hear
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quoted 3 lines btw, get those headphones... it's like listening to an album all over> btw, get those headphones... it's like listening to an album all over > again. you hear shit you've never heard on any speakers or headphones > (including overlooked mistakes)... fucking unbelievable.
I've had a pair of these headphones for 6 months or so with the slimline Sony Discman (had to buy separately) and I'm in full agreement with you - fascinating readdressing of how inner ear 'phones work - they're called Sony Fontopia aren't they? The flexible plastic surrounds function pretty much like wax ear plugs and block a large amount of external sound. The speaker itself is held suspended in the ear rather than being placed against anything so there's a greatly improved sense of dynamics - in particular Pole sound stunning: Betke's attention to all parts of the spectrum is amazing. Recommended. (£30 to £40 in the UK) All the best, Colin. _____________________________ "... and life is a song sung low and cool to rouse the gentle spirit." (Jeff Noon)
quoted 5 lines From: Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu>> From: Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> > Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:19:38 -0700 > To: idm@hyperreal.org, pat@beerho.com, eric@beerho.com > Subject: [idm] IDM = poor mixing/production? >
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2001-06-13 17:03Static BeatsYeah. I bought a pair of these at http://www.soundprofessionals.com They are truly awesome
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Yeah. I bought a pair of these at http://www.soundprofessionals.com They are truly awesome. The recordings come out incredibly well and best of all people just think your listening to so music. They dont bother you and you dont bother them :) My only real complaint is the headphones used for the conversion are really cheaply made and don't look like they could withstand a long airflight in some luggage... Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com Electronic Music For The Mind
quoted 2 lines On a different but somewhat similar note- I've always wanted to get> > On a different but somewhat similar note- I've always wanted to get
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quoted 4 lines headphones / microphones [they are twin mic's that go into your ears so> headphones / microphones [they are twin mic's that go into your ears so > that: 1- no one knows your recording them and 2- it records in a fashion > very similar to the way you hear stereo with your own little ears [due to > location and your head acting like a head... um, yeah...]
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