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2001-05-20 20:37Gilly [idm] "I left after two songs...."
└─ 2001-05-20 21:25William Samuels [idm] Autechre @ El Rey!
└─ 2001-05-20 22:11Jeff Pitrman Re: [idm] Autechre @ El Rey!
└─ 2001-05-20 22:38William Samuels Re: [idm] Autechre @ El Rey!
└─ 2001-05-21 06:43Peter Schrock Re: [idm] Autechre @ El Rey!
2001-05-21 05:51Gonzi 'Fresh' Merchan Re: [idm] Autechre @ El Rey!
2001-05-21 06:49Gilly [idm] Re: Autechre @ El Rey!
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2001-05-20 20:37GillySo Ae finally performed in LA last nite.My biggest complaint was the near 5hour wait. The
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So Ae finally performed in LA last nite.My biggest complaint was the near 5hour wait. The first DJ was pretty good, played good tracks. The next guy Chris Rose? What the fuck man, what a waste of time, another DJ and then finally 12:15am Ae get on. The first two songs were the best. Then it just died from there. I just kept thinking "Man this shit sounds similar to what Richie Divine in LA at o2 what...3years ago???" I enjoyed the set, but after 1hour I had to leave, it just was too repetitive. I got the feeling the crowd "forced" themselves to stay and "enjoy" it, though most were seated and staring into space, didn't look like they really cared for the music. I dunno what to say, I knew what to expect given all the reviews from previous shows, so I can't say i was disappointed. My wife ended up liking it, she only bitched about the 4+hourt wait. So maybe this means I'll drag her to more shows. However, San Diego has got to get something going. This whole event turned out to be a 10hour ordeal for us; with ride up and back and waiting for Ae to get on. ok, I'm rambling....blah, it was nice to see them in flesh I guess. Brian Rachielles (sp?) commented "Richie Divine beat them to the punch" I'm hoping R. Divine returns soon gilly ps: someone gave me a copy of Post Human (which I guess is the next SKAM) it's pretty good, not jaw dropping, like the early skams, but it's dark, melodic and crazy like those early ones...
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2001-05-20 21:25William Samuels<So Ae finally performed in LA last nite.My biggest complaint was the near 5hour wait.> I
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<So Ae finally performed in LA last nite.My biggest complaint was the near 5hour wait.> I didn't care about the wait because I ran into so many people I haven't seen in ages. I even ran into tons of old mates from Tucson there. It was great seeing everyone out and talking. I didn't pay much attention to the first couple of djs. Russell Haswell's set was pretty awesome! The gridcore/death metal stuff with idm and minimal techno stuff brought a big smile to my face. If I'm not mistaken he played Cylob's - Industrial Folk Songs, hearing that at such a loud volume was cool!! Curtis Roads was pretty blah imho, but it was a fine soundtrack to have going on in the background while you talk to people. I thought Autechre set was AWESOME!!! I thought it was a lot better than Richard Devine's set 3 years ago, which was very cool also. It was pretty challenging music, and really took me back to when I use to listen to more experimental music. Ogre and Cevin Key were standing in front of me, and they looked like they were loving it. I've been pretty disappointed with some of the other idm acts that have been out. When Mike Paradinas was out last I thought he really sucked, with the exception of three songs that were good. I'm glad I wasn't disappointed last night!! I also can't wait to see Autechre @ The DEMF next weekend!!! ===== SWOPE TRANSMISSIONS - FRIDAY Evening 6-9pm (Pacific) http://home.earthlink.net/~efrans/swope-transmissions Listen @ KUCI 88.9Fm Irvine, CA Streaming on the net at http://kuci.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-20 22:11Jeff PitrmanAt 02:25 PM 5/20/2001 -0700, William Samuels wrote: I thought Autechre set was AWESOME!!!
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At 02:25 PM 5/20/2001 -0700, William Samuels wrote: I thought Autechre set was AWESOME!!! I thought it
quoted 4 lines was a lot better than Richard Devine's set 3 years>was a lot better than Richard Devine's set 3 years >ago, which was very cool also. It was pretty >challenging music, and really took me back to when I >use to listen to more experimental music.
I'm going to have to pipe in and say that I think Richard Devine's last show here systematically dismantled what Autechre played last night, then broke each little piece with a flying suplex. Autechre was alright last night, but I wasn't really murdered as hard as I expected. I like most of the new album, I think their older albums like Amber are pretty crappy, but their set last night just seemed ... enh. The beats sucked last night. If some kid had been up there with turntables playing records with no beatmatching, and the results had sounded exactly like that, people would have been throwing things at his head. I liked how harsh and almost power-electronics-ish they'd get, but the experience as a whole was underwhelming. I thought that DJ set had more interesting combinations of sound. (This is someone's cue to leap in and explain to me that I'm obviously just a musical illiterate who is, unfortunately, not intelligent enough to appreciate the complexities of trainwrecking for an hour.) The crowd was exactly as expected. I wish the place had been filled with E-tarded ravers massaging each other and dancing, just for novelty. I like Ae, but I'd take Richard Devine over them without any hesitation. np: confield, for comparison purposes ---- Jeff Pitrman http://component.robotcore.net/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-20 22:38William Samuels< I'm going to have to pipe in and say that I think Richard Devine's last show here system
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< I'm going to have to pipe in and say that I think Richard Devine's last show here systematically dismantled what Autechre played last night, then broke each little piece with a flying suplex. > The Richard Devine show I am refering to was the one at O2. I think he has played a show since then. I have heard several performance by him on CDRS, but I usually get bored of them after 15 minutes. < Autechre was alright last night, but I wasn't really murdered as hard as I expected. I like most of the new album, I think their older albums like Amber are pretty crappy, but their set last night just seemed ... enh. > I think everyone of their albums are pretty solid. Tri Repetae would probably be my favorite. Amber is pretty awesome. My least favorite thing they put out would be Ep7.
quoted 1 line The beats sucked last night.> The beats sucked last night.
No complaints here. < If some kid had been up there with turntables playing records with no beatmatching, and the results had sounded exactly like that, people would have been throwing things at his head. > Hardly ... but hey isn't non beatmatching Djing what IDM djs are all about. MANY IDM people I have talked with don't appreciate good dj skills. < I liked how harsh and almost power-electronics-ish they'd get, but the experience as a whole was underwhelming. > I wasn't overwhelmed but I certainly had a very enjoyable evening. I thought Autechre was very intriguing. I missed some of the melodies from past tunes but it was still a great night, and look forward to seeing them again next week. < I thought that DJ set had more interesting combinations of sound. (This is someone's cue to leap in and explain to me that I'm obviously just a musical illiterate who is, unfortunately, not intelligent enough to appreciate the complexities of trainwrecking for an hour.) > Many of the Dj Sets were pretty unspectacular, but I thought Russell's set was really interesting. I've never heard anyone go from IDM to grindcore/death metal, and some of the noise he was playing sounded like old Skin Chamber/Controlled Bleeding - "Swallowing Scrap Metal" tunes. Cylob - Industrial Folk Songs was cool! I never really have high expectations for djs when I go to IDM events, so I wasn't disappointed. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-21 06:43Peter Schrockon 5/20/01 3:38 PM, William Samuels at w_technoir@yahoo.com wrote: > My least favorite thi
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on 5/20/01 3:38 PM, William Samuels at w_technoir@yahoo.com wrote:
quoted 2 lines My least favorite thing they put out would be> My least favorite thing they put out would be > Ep7
i don't know, ep7 is a nice transitional phase for what they are doing now. confield should have been expected considering what they were doing with ep7. I think ep7 has some brilliant pieces. Very textural, my favorite track being netion setinnel, followed by dropp. Beautiful stuff there. Peter "Pachinko" Ý - http://www.mp3.com/pachinko - --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-21 05:51Gonzi 'Fresh' MerchanGilly: > The first two songs were the best. Then it just died from there. I just kept > th
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Gilly:
quoted 1 line The first two songs were the best. Then it just died from there. I just> The first two songs were the best. Then it just died from there. I just
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quoted 2 lines thinking "Man this shit sounds similar to what Richie Divine in LA at o2> thinking "Man this shit sounds similar to what Richie Divine in LA at o2 > what...3years ago???"
----- Original Message ----- From: "William Samuels" <w_technoir@yahoo.com> To: "Jeff Pitrman" <jeff@spof.net>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Autechre @ El Rey!
quoted 7 lines < I'm going to have to pipe in and say that I think> < I'm going to have to pipe in and say that I think > Richard Devine's last show here systematically > dismantled what Autechre played last night, then broke > each little piece with a flying suplex. > > > The Richard Devine show I am refering to was the one > at O2...
You need to understand that what Autechre were doing last night was nothing like what R.Devine did here at the 02 show a few years ago (which let me say was a reeeallly nice set as well, btw). What Ae are doing in their live sets now is generative music. Whereas each note and beat of Devine's set was pre-sequenced but mixed on the fly, Autechre are using software on their powerbooks and defining parameters for it to create the components of the tracks you are hearing in real-time. That is to say that the software is basically sequencing the track on the fly while Autechre are shifting the variables that create the resulting sounds. This is what you are hearing with a bit of synth work over the top I think. Those who bemoaned the lack of spontaneity or 'liveness' in the performance of electronic music, well here is your answer. It is a mathematical impossibility for them to perform the same track in exactly the same way now due to random way the music is created by the computer. To my ears this is probably the most exciting advance in electronic/idm music since DSP first started coming into use a few years ago, though some wish it probably never had hehe. Anyway this is a technique that is really in its infancy and perhaps there is a bit of a lack of sophistication in terms of the structure of the songs at the moment due to the way they are created. However this is sure to change in the near future as they and I am sure many others following their lead become more adept at using these new tools. How much easier would it have been for them simply to have drug out a greatest-hits set? The fact that they are willing to actually challenge their fans and listeners, possibly even losing some in the proccess says alot about their credibilty as musicians and their willingness to innovate - which is really the most exciting aspect of this music isnt it? All said, I had a brilliant time last night. Thanks to all responsible.... Gonzi. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-21 06:49Gilly----- Original Message ----- From: "William Samuels" <w_technoir@yahoo.com> : : I thought
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----- Original Message ----- From: "William Samuels" <w_technoir@yahoo.com> : : I thought Autechre set was AWESOME!!! I thought it : was a lot better than Richard Devine's set 3 years : ago, which was very cool also. It was pretty : challenging music, and really took me back to when I : use to listen to more experimental music. : : : I'm glad I wasn't disappointed last night!! I also : can't wait to see Autechre @ The DEMF next weekend!!! don't get the wrong impression mang, I was stuck two inches inches away from the left speaker stack for most of the set. I burried my head in that loud shit. I loved it. The opening to tracks for me were amazing and i was extremely happy with the chaotic beats, I didn't want them to stop. And that fucking kick drum sound, man I couldn't get enough of it, even if the tone never changed, it was the perfect kick drum!!!! I was so amazed that with all the chaos in rhythm I was able to follow along bar after bar. and if you noticed beginning to end, there still seamed to be some type of straight continuity, esp as the tracks would near their close. Experimental or not, to me the set last night didn't stray too far from Ae's form of past albums. They began and ended much the same way. So you got lost in the middle, but you ended kinda like it started. I only got tired of the washy trebley DSP sounds. Not that I didn't enjoy them, but I wanted as much variety in them as the beats. I thought Curtis Roads had more variety in his sound performance than which ever guy in Ae was playing the knobs on the Nord. It was all good, but when I think back to Richie Divine's gig at o2 I personally feel Divine had a better grip on performing and presenting that type of sonic explosion to a crowd. Nevermind the comparisons, I guess expected a more variety from two talented Ae dudes. -g --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org