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i am a little confused here. I don't understand why so many people on this list are so quick to judge and can't take the heat when it turns back onto them. I joined this list to gather information. that indeed is what I have done. unfortunately, I have gathered a lot more negative than positive. If those of you who spent so much time being negative about everything on this list, trying to be a little bit more positive, you might actually get more out of this list. i have learned about bands i have never heard of, i have heard about up coming shows, i have heard about equipment and software to use. I have also heard everyone's excuse as to why it all sucks even more. I don't understand why people must insist on degrading everything out now, cause it's not "innovative". Every once in a while artist can go through a dry spell before actually nothing new comes out of it, for a while. I am just greatful that I have so much to pick from. I mean, the new autechre came out (as many have shown can be debatible), the new radiohead is coming out, tool is about to release a new album, squarepusher just released a single. most of you sound like spoiled rotten little kids. before responding, just think about it for a second. I am not trying to slam anyone hear, I am just trying to make it more pleasant, choose your attitude. Peter "Pachinko" Ý - http://www.mp3.com/pachinko - --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mon, 7 May 2001, brian albers wrote:

quoted 7 lines I don't understand why people must insist on degrading everything out now,

> >I don't understand why people must insist on degrading everything out now, > >cause it's not "innovative". > > Part of the problem is that there is just an overwhelming amount of cds and > vinyl being released every week. I mean I read and value the reviews on the > list, but if I actually tried to gather all the recordings that people spoke > highly of I'd go insane, not to mention beyond flat broke.

Agreed but isn't that reviews are for? To help you pick out what you want or can afford to buy? Heh, you're really screwed if you're into other genrese like jazz/improv, dub, pop, indie rock, etc like me. ;) Speaking of other genres:

quoted 6 lines Secondly, being "innovative" is very important because without innovation

> Secondly, being "innovative" is very important because without innovation > any genre will shrivel up and die. At least lose interest for me. Look at > reggae, blues, rock, metal, grunge. Nothing in those styles will ever > inpress me ever again because those styles have developed conventions or > "rules of the style" and they've all been done to death and there will never > ever be anything "new" about them.

C'mon are you saying that IDM doesn't have conventions of it's own? Like "slow ambient pads drift in, funky polyrthmic beat comes in , add 3 note melody on top, etc."? I'm not saying you _have_ to like other genres but you shouldn't just write them off like that. I mean, a few years after I got into IDM I realized that a lot of what I like about it came from my grounding in prog rock and classic rock like Yes, King Crimson, and The Who... and later Minimalist composers like Steve Reich and Philip Glass. It sounds weird but I loved the tempo/time changes,occassionally strange synth sounds and some of the virtuosic aspects of prog rock and I really loved the minimalist repeating synth pattern in The Who's "Baba O' Reiley". And um... I wouldn't have gotten into Brian Eno if it weren't for U2. All of which added up to stuff like Autechre, Apehx, and Mu-ziq... at least to me. You listed reggae in your list of genres that don't have anything 'new' about them. What about jungle? Reggae and dub are intimately intertwined and jungle sure as hell wouldn't have arisen if it weren't for the influence of Jamaican immigrants in the UK and the subsequent importation of dub/reggae records and soundsystems. Then there's the Jamaican dancehall influence on Timbaland who basically throws down IDMish beats (funky but kinda arhythmic like on Alliyah's "Are You That Somebody?") in a r'n'b/rap context. I'm sorry if I come off like I'm just showing of my music knowledge because that's NOT my intention. I'm just saying that it's a mistake to consider IDM 'superior' to other genres because it's more 'innovative' or that there aren't conventions/cliches for IDM.

quoted 5 lines The good thing about this argument for electronic music is that because thes

> The good thing about this argument for electronic music is that because thes > sounds are largely a product of technology, it will evolve and progress as > technology evolves and progresses. Do you think Richard Devine would be > making music if all we had were DX7s and Linn sequencers? Born at the right > time I guess.

I think that Devine would be making different sounding music. Hell, I think Devine would be making music if we were in the stone ages and we just had rocks to bang around. That being said I think that ALL music is largely a product of technology. The piano is an incredibly complex instrument that just happens to be made out of wood and metal. It might sound cliched now due its long history and years of media saturation but then in the 20th century some weirdo (joking of course) named John Cage stuck things like nails and screws inbetween the strings to create different sounds. Not to mention Conlon Nannacarrow using banks of player pianos to create these fucking outlandish sounds (imagine if Squarepusher were programming the tempos of player pianos instead of drum machines/samplers).

quoted 3 lines Thirdly, I think it is just human nature that we more easily find words of

> Thirdly, I think it is just human nature that we more easily find words of > criticism than words of praise. Why this is I don't know, but I know I'm > guilty of it myself.

Heh. I guess I'm guilty as well with my response to you. Again, I'm not tyring to show off or rip you. I just want to say that you might find elements of IDM that you like in different music and vice-versa if you opened your ears a little bit.

quoted 5 lines To demonstrate this, I'll mention that I'm liking the Confield less and less

> To demonstrate this, I'll mention that I'm liking the Confield less and less > upon repeated listenings. The constantly shifting meters and tempoes > (tempi?) detract from the album's appeal. Other artists in a similar vein > that I'm more likely to listen to would be OST, Magnetophone or maybe even > Phthalocyanine.

Well, that's ok. Wish I had Confield so I could add to this but what is it about OST,Magnetophone, or Phtalocyanine that you like? Out of curiousity that is... thanks for yer time, Howard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

thanks stacy, for confirming my notion. on 5/7/01 7:07 AM, Stacy Masterson at idm_list@hotmail.com wrote:

quoted 16 lines God will you shut up...nobody cares.

> > God will you shut up...nobody cares. > >> most of you sound like spoiled rotten little kids. >> I am not trying to slam anyone hear, I am just trying to make it more >> pleasant, choose your >> attitude. > > Wow do you even read what you type? > > oh well...one solution > > welcome to my killfile > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >

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