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http://music.yahoo.com/music/news/sonicnet/story.html?a=n/music/news/sonicne t/rock/20010502/7/p1&b=n/music/news/sonicnet/rock/20010502/7/p2 'NSYNC embrace the of-the-moment dance sound of England's two-step/U.K. garage movement on "Pop," the first single from their upcoming album, Celebrity, according to Entertainment Weekly. Dance producer BT, who has remixed songs for Madonna, Tori Amos, Sarah McLachlan and Seal, worked with 'NSYNC on the song, EW reported in its latest issue. "We took it to where we think music is going," Justin Timberlake, who co-wrote the song, told the magazine. "It's more futuristic. It's like R&B twice as fast." ------- And you guys thought Squarepusher was quick to jump on 2-step. This means M. Doughty of Soul Coughing is exactly one producer away from 'NSYNC (he worked with BT on 'Never Gonna Come Back Down'). Oh man. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

[Lukas Bergstrom <lbergstr@fas.harvard.edu>]

quoted 1 line And you guys thought Squarepusher was quick to jump on 2-step.

> And you guys thought Squarepusher was quick to jump on 2-step.

I was actually surprised that it took so long for somebody "IDM" to jump on it... 2-step's been so absolutely massive in London for the past few years. -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

with all due respect 2 step "garage" is now 100% pop music in the uk . j somatics@ntlworld.com http://somatics.c8.com icq # 110698430 ----- Original Message ----- From: "atomly" <atomly@atomly.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [idm] speaking of garage

quoted 18 lines [Lukas Bergstrom <lbergstr@fas.harvard.edu>]

> [Lukas Bergstrom <lbergstr@fas.harvard.edu>] > > And you guys thought Squarepusher was quick to jump on 2-step. > > I was actually surprised that it took so long for somebody "IDM" to jump > on it... 2-step's been so absolutely massive in London for the past few > years. > > -- > :: atomly :: > > atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com > http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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did 'hot butter' have other albums than popcorn? and, i'll ask again. what's been up with emanuel top? oh yeah, ya know when people put [sic] next to words? what does [sic] mean? is it latin?...for what? ===== ???????ߣr??m?????? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 1 line did 'hot butter' have other albums than popcorn?

> did 'hot butter' have other albums than popcorn?

yep...the album with popcorn on it wac called hot butter, then after the success of that in 72, they re released it as popcorn, their next record was imaginatively called more hot butter, and it's pretty bad...i picked it up at a garage sale for 50 cents, and it's not even worth that... dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines and, i'll ask again. what's been up with emanuel top?

> >and, i'll ask again. what's been up with emanuel top?

no need to ask a third time... a new emmanuelle top record came out a few months ago. two tracks of solid acid-techno on his own attack label. Emmanuelle Top: Detune My Fortune 12 (Attack) Tracks: - Detune My Fortune - Binary Society -- -->-Lance---- PO Box 450715 Westlake, OH 44145 United States --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Hello. I'm one of the lowly internet artists slowly making their way onto the legit, often chaotic physical presence scene, whatever that means. Now, the question I have, is what does it take to get noticed by you IDM hedz? I am a member of a small little group called TEFOSAV (www.tefosav.co.uk) which I think you have all heard of, since AEM is a part of it ..... but there is not much discussion on this list of unsigned/internet artists at all, so I am wondering ----- what does it take to be noticed by y'allz? My url if you're interested --- http://proxy.enooze.com or http://www.themurphyfamilyonline.com/john (both lead to the same place). I would love some feedback from y'allz if possible, but I would even love the 'how to I make an impression on you' question answered even moreso. :D If you have any questions or comments, feel free to contact me offlist (jmurphy@haverford.edu or on IM - luse knot). I'm curious what people have to say. lataz, john --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines Now, the question I have, is what does it take to get noticed by you IDM

> Now, the question I have, is what does it take to get noticed by you IDM > hedz? I am a member of a small little group called TEFOSAV

I'm not an artist, and I don't have any advice for you. However, I would like to note that IMHO the idm scene is deeper and more diverse than it's ever been. Hell, there are really great artists with record deals that don't get mentioned around here. Great situation for us listeners, tough one for you producers. Good luck, but I wouldn't (I know, I know, easy for me to say) feel bad about the lack of buzz. Lukas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i make music, but i'm not really all that interested in amateur IDM music because for the most part, it sounds like fanboy stuff to me. everyone uses the same computer programs and there's only so much experimentation you can do with the same tools as everyone else, and the same taste in music. that's just me, though. you're probably better off trying to get noticed by a different crowd. --- john murphy <jmurphy@haverford.edu> wrote:

quoted 33 lines Hello. I'm one of the lowly internet artists slowly making their way

> Hello. I'm one of the lowly internet artists slowly making their way > onto > the legit, often chaotic physical presence scene, whatever that means. > > Now, the question I have, is what does it take to get noticed by you IDM > > hedz? I am a member of a small little group called TEFOSAV > (www.tefosav.co.uk) which I think you have all heard of, since AEM is a > part of it ..... but there is not much discussion on this list of > unsigned/internet artists at all, so I am wondering ----- what does it > take > to be noticed by y'allz? > > My url if you're interested --- http://proxy.enooze.com or > http://www.themurphyfamilyonline.com/john (both lead to the same place). > I > would love some feedback from y'allz if possible, but I would even love > the > 'how to I make an impression on you' question answered even moreso. :D > > If you have any questions or comments, feel free to contact me offlist > (jmurphy@haverford.edu or on IM - luse knot). I'm curious what people > have > to say. > > lataz, > john > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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For the most part, people take much more interest when you go through the work of getting your work on physical releases, whether it be creating professional-looking EP's for your own "label," appearing on small compilations, or other possibly well-produced physical music objects. MP3's are a dime a dozen, and most people don't make a big deal about some bits on their harddrives. People do usually care about a cd (or vinyl) lying about their apartment. cheers, /derek At 08:40 PM 5/10/2001 -0700, butt chowder wrote:

quoted 28 lines i make music, but i'm not really all that interested in amateur IDM music

>i make music, but i'm not really all that interested in amateur IDM music >because for the most part, it sounds like fanboy stuff to me. everyone >uses the same computer programs and there's only so much experimentation >you can do with the same tools as everyone else, and the same taste in >music. that's just me, though. you're probably better off trying to get >noticed by a different crowd. > >--- john murphy <jmurphy@haverford.edu> wrote: > > Hello. I'm one of the lowly internet artists slowly making their way > > onto > > the legit, often chaotic physical presence scene, whatever that means. > > > > Now, the question I have, is what does it take to get noticed by you IDM > > > > hedz? I am a member of a small little group called TEFOSAV > > (www.tefosav.co.uk) which I think you have all heard of, since AEM is a > > part of it ..... but there is not much discussion on this list of > > unsigned/internet artists at all, so I am wondering ----- what does it > > take > > to be noticed by y'allz? > > > > My url if you're interested --- http://proxy.enooze.com or > > http://www.themurphyfamilyonline.com/john (both lead to the same place). > > I > > would love some feedback from y'allz if possible, but I would even love > > the > > 'how to I make an impression on you' question answered even moreso. :D > >

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Ah. Hrm. I guess I could have mentioned that I am on a local label (zenapolae records - www.zenapolae.com) and I do have a CDREP out with them .... however, the buzz is so small that I feel unnoticed even in my own neighborhood ... I appreciate what they do, but to the rest of the world, my mp3/homepage is all they see. john At 10:52 P 5/10/01 -0500, EggyToast wrote:

quoted 51 lines For the most part, people take much more interest when you go through the

>For the most part, people take much more interest when you go through the >work of getting your work on physical releases, whether it be creating >professional-looking EP's for your own "label," appearing on small >compilations, or other possibly well-produced physical music >objects. MP3's are a dime a dozen, and most people don't make a big deal >about some bits on their harddrives. People do usually care about a cd >(or vinyl) lying about their apartment. > >cheers, >/derek > >At 08:40 PM 5/10/2001 -0700, butt chowder wrote: >>i make music, but i'm not really all that interested in amateur IDM music >>because for the most part, it sounds like fanboy stuff to me. everyone >>uses the same computer programs and there's only so much experimentation >>you can do with the same tools as everyone else, and the same taste in >>music. that's just me, though. you're probably better off trying to get >>noticed by a different crowd. >> >>--- john murphy <jmurphy@haverford.edu> wrote: >> > Hello. I'm one of the lowly internet artists slowly making their way >> > onto >> > the legit, often chaotic physical presence scene, whatever that means. >> > >> > Now, the question I have, is what does it take to get noticed by you IDM >> > >> > hedz? I am a member of a small little group called TEFOSAV >> > (www.tefosav.co.uk) which I think you have all heard of, since AEM is a >> > part of it ..... but there is not much discussion on this list of >> > unsigned/internet artists at all, so I am wondering ----- what does it >> > take >> > to be noticed by y'allz? >> > >> > My url if you're interested --- http://proxy.enooze.com or >> > http://www.themurphyfamilyonline.com/john (both lead to the same place). >> > I >> > would love some feedback from y'allz if possible, but I would even love >> > the >> > 'how to I make an impression on you' question answered even moreso. :D >> > > >------- >eggytoast.com >------- >now updated daily > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On 10 May 2001, at 22:46, Lance @ Inaudible wrote:

quoted 1 line a new emmanuelle top record

> a new emmanuelle top record

Sorry Lance, but I can't help myself : Since when did 'Emanuel' change gender and do a Wendy Carlos on us? :-)) Or is he going into the soft-porn film business now? And while we're here - is there any promise of a full-length? I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 6 lines [Lukas Bergstrom <lbergstr@fas.harvard.edu>]

> [Lukas Bergstrom <lbergstr@fas.harvard.edu>] > > And you guys thought Squarepusher was quick to jump on 2-step. > > I was actually surprised that it took so long for somebody "IDM" to jump > on it... 2-step's been so absolutely massive in London for the past few > years.

Well, I don't do it very often, so I thought I'd stick in a bit of blatent self promotion here... I have a track coming out on Law&Auder records, which is kind of like spooky 2 step... i, d and m, in my opinion. There's an mp3 on my website if ya wanna hear a weirdy take on 2 step. Oh, and come see me play at Herbal in London on 18th May if you want to hear some more (plus some d'n'b and stuff too)! Eddie www.bovaflux.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i borrowed an mj cole album of a friend who actually produces some 2-step stuff...pretty interesting. it has the elements of old-school DnB, the skattery syncopation...not nearly as complex or with the velocity, but i think thats the point. the nice deep dubby basslines are there, and a dose of RnB vocals and synth/piano stabs...all in all some pretty light/funky sounds, i think ppl felt a need to create this music as DnB went off into the crunch crunch tech-step/industrial vein. i don't think i am going to run out and buy a whole bunch of this stuff, but i appreciate it for what it is...and i can see it eventually blowing-up in clubland US...i live in cleveland, and a scene for 2-step is already starting in pittsburgh...i bet some in england are already tired of :UK garage: :2-step: though. GM

quoted 31 lines From: "Eddie Symons" <eddie.symons@jesterinteractive.com>

>From: "Eddie Symons" <eddie.symons@jesterinteractive.com> >To: "atomly" <atomly@atomly.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] speaking of garage >Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:12:43 +0100 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "atomly" <atomly@atomly.com> > > [Lukas Bergstrom <lbergstr@fas.harvard.edu>] > > > And you guys thought Squarepusher was quick to jump on 2-step. > > > > I was actually surprised that it took so long for somebody "IDM" to jump > > on it... 2-step's been so absolutely massive in London for the past few > > years. > >Well, I don't do it very often, so I thought I'd stick in a bit of blatent >self promotion here... I have a track coming out on Law&Auder records, >which >is kind of like spooky 2 step... i, d and m, in my opinion. There's an mp3 >on my website if ya wanna hear a weirdy take on 2 step. Oh, and come see me >play at Herbal in London on 18th May if you want to hear some more (plus >some d'n'b and stuff too)! > >Eddie >www.bovaflux.co.uk > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On 3 May 2001, at 8:49, Greg Malcolm wrote:

quoted 1 line borrowed an mj cole album

> borrowed an mj cole album

Aaaaah! There's a beautiful MJ Cole track called "Be Sincere" which graces various compilations, the version I've got is the Jazzanova remix and it is excellent (in a female vocal, melodic way - a far cry from crunchy glitches). However, this is the only thing of his I've heard and wouldn't know whether it's indicative of the rest of his output. I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i am by no means an expert of the genre, but i think the "sincere" track is probably the best on the CD...definately the "deepest" sounding one...the other tracks walk the line between up-tempo R+B, and ragga style MCing over that two-step, cymbal/snare workout... i'd like to find some "deeper" two-step, something a little more abstract, minus the diva singing...that really syncopated fluttery beat is pretty infectious. i wonder if something like this exists, probably the wrong list to be asking this on :) GM

quoted 26 lines From: Irene McC <substar@iafrica.com>

>From: Irene McC <substar@iafrica.com> >Reply-To: substar@iafrica.com >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] speaking of garage >Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:01:03 +0200 > >On 3 May 2001, at 8:49, Greg Malcolm wrote: > > > borrowed an mj cole album > >Aaaaah! There's a beautiful MJ Cole track called "Be Sincere" which >graces various compilations, the version I've got is the Jazzanova >remix and it is excellent (in a female vocal, melodic way - a far cry >from crunchy glitches). > >However, this is the only thing of his I've heard and wouldn't know >whether it's indicative of the rest of his output. > >I >* > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 2 lines i'd like to find some "deeper" two-step, something

> i'd like to find some "deeper" two-step, something > a little more abstract, minus the diva singing

I'm definitely not the authority here either, but check out "Sound of the Pirates", mixed by Zed Bias. I'm not sure you can completely get away from the divas and chatters (I love 'em personally), but this one's a bit more track-oriented than most. My fave's still Pure Garage, mixed by DJ EZ, but it has a lot of R&B on it... You might find yourself eventually getting past the vocals too -- they're often so cut-up and messed-with that they become just another part of the production... .john. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I was in London a few months ago, and while checking out shoes on Oxford street, as one does, I noticed that without exception, every single store was playing 2 step. It was for the mostpart rather soulful, like smoothed out Drum n Bass with some decent singers. London seems to work its way through a musical fad in about 6 months, but people seemed to be diggin it. I've always felt its a return of the ever bubbling-under-the-surface UK Soul, thoughts anyone? -i --- Greg Malcolm <gemalcolm@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 48 lines i am by no means an expert of the genre, but i think the "sincere" track is

> i am by no means an expert of the genre, but i think the "sincere" track is > probably the best on the CD...definately the "deepest" sounding one...the > other tracks walk the line between up-tempo R+B, and ragga style MCing over > that two-step, cymbal/snare workout... > > i'd like to find some "deeper" two-step, something a little more abstract, > minus the diva singing...that really syncopated fluttery beat is pretty > infectious. i wonder if something like this exists, probably the wrong list > to be asking this on :) > > GM > > > >From: Irene McC <substar@iafrica.com> > >Reply-To: substar@iafrica.com > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] speaking of garage > >Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:01:03 +0200 > > > >On 3 May 2001, at 8:49, Greg Malcolm wrote: > > > > > borrowed an mj cole album > > > >Aaaaah! There's a beautiful MJ Cole track called "Be Sincere" which > >graces various compilations, the version I've got is the Jazzanova > >remix and it is excellent (in a female vocal, melodic way - a far cry > >from crunchy glitches). > > > >However, this is the only thing of his I've heard and wouldn't know > >whether it's indicative of the rest of his output. > > > >I > >* > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Irene McC said:

quoted 7 lines borrowed an mj cole album

>>borrowed an mj cole album >Aaaaah! There's a beautiful MJ Cole track called "Be Sincere" which >graces various compilations, the version I've got is the Jazzanova >remix and it is excellent (in a female vocal, melodic way - a far cry >from crunchy glitches). >However, this is the only thing of his I've heard and wouldn't know >whether it's indicative of the rest of his output.

Of the uk garage coming out at the time, Mj Coles album 'Sincere' was probably one of the most impressively produced. For me, it was the indication after a number of years that some serious production was getting thought about in uk garage, like the evolution jungle went through many moons ago. Doesn't stop people whacking out any old shite at the moment and watching it sell, but there you go. The introductory track has lovely nubreaksy bassline and rattle and there are a couple of other good tracks which have been released on single. There is a lot of cheesy vocal stuff that doesn't really rock my boat, but for the good tracks, it can be quite groovy. I wouldn't take the jazzanova remix to be particularly indicative of mj's sound, by the way. Bye then, Tom. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 6 lines i'd like to find some "deeper" two-step, something

>>i'd like to find some "deeper" two-step, something >>a little more abstract, minus the diva singing >I'm definitely not the authority here either, but check out "Sound of the >Pirates", mixed by Zed Bias. I'm not sure you can completely get >away from the divas and chatters (I love 'em personally), but this one's a >bit more track-oriented than most.

I got bought that compilation when it came out a while back by my garage obsessed friend and to honest it really didn't click for me at all, it all seemed a bit lifeless. And the diva stuff just gets on my tits. To be honest, unless uk garage comes on a mixtape with some decent mc'ing, I just find it a little boring on the whole, the production simply isn't there yet. I don't mind the tunes leaning towards nubreaks or those secretly produced by drum'n'bass heads (grooverider/zinc/hype/andy/et al) which geniunely sound interesting, but on the whole uk garage hasn't quite impressed itself on me yet, and I have been trying. I love the concept of two step/uk garage. Take jump up, slow it down so that you can fit some groovy rattle around the break, and you're on to a real winner. Makes your head work. That's the time to add a nasty bassline or some interesting industrial sweeps or something. It's bound to go that way as people get more discerning. Let's just hope it doesn't go over the top and drive all the ladies away, like drum and bass did. There's nothing wrong with vocals, as drum and bass is re-discovering, but uk garage needs to forget the house/garage connection and chuck chi-town divas and ditties to make the kids buy it. Even sweet like chocolate sounded like it could be good until the vocal arived, geez.

quoted 2 lines My fave's still Pure Garage, mixed by DJ EZ, but it has a lot of R&B on

>My fave's still Pure Garage, mixed by DJ EZ, but it has a lot of R&B on > >it...

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You might want to check out some of the four tet/fridge garage stuff Kinoshita by Fridge has some lovely atmospheric tune over some 2-step beats. The Four Tet remix of Two Banks of Four is also probably one of the best 2-step tracks I've ever heard - lots of cut up vocals though. I haven't heard any confirmation of this, but I've got a feeling the new four tet might have some solid beats as well. Dan.

quoted 2 lines i'd like to find some "deeper" two-step, something

> i'd like to find some "deeper" two-step, something > a little more abstract, minus the diva singing

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