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2001-04-30 21:24Soel Griffin [idm] Confield is a natural(sic) progression
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2001-04-30 21:24Soel GriffinMuch more complicated than any of their other releases. Possibly, they have evolved beyond
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Much more complicated than any of their other releases. Possibly, they have evolved beyond most of this lists' ears, but I feel all the better for it... I did the whole preorder from warpmart, so for those who might've wondered about that service, well it's great! got it sat, with some ae postcard/stickers to boot. Soel. ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-01 00:40Charles R. TerhuneI would agree from hearing jus the one track. LP5 makes perfect sense now, in a hindsight
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I would agree from hearing jus the one track. LP5 makes perfect sense now, in a hindsight sort of way. These guys are so far beyond us, it's pretty astounding. To all those who want another INCUNABULA, AMBER or even TRI REPETAE, man, just put it in the player on repeat. Otherwise, please attempt to evolve... It takes about 2 years to get where their (AE's) heads are at. CRT on 4/30/01 5:24 PM, Soel Griffin at xnoybis@priest.com wrote:
quoted 18 lines Much more complicated than any of their other releases. Possibly, they have> Much more complicated than any of their other releases. Possibly, they have > evolved beyond most of this lists' ears, but I feel all the better for it... > I did the whole preorder from warpmart, so for those who might've wondered > about that service, well it's great! got it sat, with some ae > postcard/stickers to boot. > > Soel. > > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-05-01 08:43teardropb .>I would agree from hearing jus the one track. > >LP5 makes perfect sense now, in a hindsi
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quoted 24 lines I would agree from hearing jus the one track.>I would agree from hearing jus the one track. > >LP5 makes perfect sense now, in a hindsight sort of way. These guys are so >far beyond us, it's pretty astounding. > >To all those who want another INCUNABULA, AMBER or even TRI REPETAE, man, >just put it in the player on repeat. Otherwise, please attempt to >evolve... >It takes about 2 years to get where their (AE's) heads are at. > >CRT > >on 4/30/01 5:24 PM, Soel Griffin at xnoybis@priest.com wrote: > > > Much more complicated than any of their other releases. Possibly, they >have > > evolved beyond most of this lists' ears, but I feel all the better for >it... > > I did the whole preorder from warpmart, so for those who might've >wondered > > about that service, well it's great! got it sat, with some ae > > postcard/stickers to boot. > > > > Soel.
this is a free discusion list right? so i can say confield sucks with out getting my ass flamed all the way to columbia right? (columbian bortheres no offense) ive given confield some time and it still sucks, my fav autechre stuff is LP5 and Envane and cichlisuite and Anvil vapre. those LPs and EPs showed inovation in a lot of layers and confield sounds like a wank shoot. anyway, its just a personal opinion. and speaking of evolution, ive evolved to arovane and leafcutter john and started from the usual rephlex/warp camp cheers, keep the falmes burning. teardropb _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-01 19:48Peter Schrockon 5/1/01 12:43 AM, teardropb . at boygothic@hotmail.com wrote: > this is a free discusion
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on 5/1/01 12:43 AM, teardropb . at boygothic@hotmail.com wrote:
quoted 2 lines this is a free discusion list right?> this is a free discusion list right? >
Yeah, it's a free discussion, but I think some have lost that concept.
quoted 3 lines ive given confield some time and it still sucks, my fav autechre stuff is> ive given confield some time and it still sucks, my fav autechre stuff is > LP5 and Envane and cichlisuite and Anvil vapre. >
That is why you think it sucks, let go. Stop trying to conceptualize the sound they have always created before. They did something new, something inventive, well, at least for themselves. I have heard music like this long ago, so I can't really say it's anything new, but it is cool.
quoted 2 lines those LPs and EPs showed inovation in a lot of layers and confield sounds> those LPs and EPs showed inovation in a lot of layers and confield sounds > like a wank shoot. anyway, its just a personal opinion.
And you are definitely entitled to that. I just think it is sad that here we are in a genre of being creative and innovative, and those who do that seem to be ridiculed. Don't get me wrong, there is a BIG difference between being interpretive/creative and being inventive/creative.
quoted 2 lines and speaking of evolution, ive evolved to arovane and leafcutter john and> and speaking of evolution, ive evolved to arovane and leafcutter john and > started from the usual rephlex/warp camp
It's definitely a cool album, but I think where Autechre failed on this album is to be evolutionary. At least in the sense that it came across innovative. Like I said, there were groups before Autechre doing this kind of stuff but on a more aggressive level. But it definitely excites me to see where they will go with it from here, if they decide to continue with it. Lentic Catachresis to me sounds like they've been hanging out with the boys of Tribes of Neurot. Pretty creepy.
quoted 4 lines cheers, keep the falmes burning.> > cheers, keep the falmes burning. > > teardropb
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2001-05-01 15:48M Mercerhaving gotten my hands on a full version of confield, and now having given it a few listen
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having gotten my hands on a full version of confield, and now having given it a few listens.... i will say that i don't find it at all to be the huge disappointment a lot of people on the list seem to.... but it is not the best work to date, which breaks the trend for the first time. it is possible that they've finally plateaued.... the thing i find lacking is that the album sounds a bit "flat" despite it being much more cohesive. more like variations on a (dsp) theme. however, there are select tracks that i completely love. the first track (which was on the warp site) is totally amazing, imo. the bouncing ball effect has perhaps finally and completely run its course now though.......... i don't really find arovane to be more sophisticated than autechre (in fact, despite "atol scrap" being one of my favorite IDM albums, i think it's hot on the heels of what autechre was doing 5 years ago), although i have been really impressed with the new jamie lidell and leafcutter john releases in terms of IDM that breaks away from the crunchy-beat-pretty-melodies formula. and no, i am not saying i do not like arovane, or that i want to start a flame war on whether or not arovane is or is not as good as autechre......... please! in any case i will definitely purchase the album (i found mp3s) when it is released and i can't wait to see them in columbus! bye
quoted 48 lines From: "teardropb ." <boygothic@hotmail.com>>From: "teardropb ." <boygothic@hotmail.com> >To: chuck0@cfom-music.com, xnoybis@priest.com, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Confield is a natural(sic) progression >Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:43:27 -0000 > >>I would agree from hearing jus the one track. >> >>LP5 makes perfect sense now, in a hindsight sort of way. These guys are >>so >>far beyond us, it's pretty astounding. >> >>To all those who want another INCUNABULA, AMBER or even TRI REPETAE, man, >>just put it in the player on repeat. Otherwise, please attempt to >>evolve... >>It takes about 2 years to get where their (AE's) heads are at. >> >>CRT >> >>on 4/30/01 5:24 PM, Soel Griffin at xnoybis@priest.com wrote: >> >> > Much more complicated than any of their other releases. Possibly, they >>have >> > evolved beyond most of this lists' ears, but I feel all the better for >>it... >> > I did the whole preorder from warpmart, so for those who might've >>wondered >> > about that service, well it's great! got it sat, with some ae >> > postcard/stickers to boot. >> > >> > Soel. > > >this is a free discusion list right? > >so i can say confield sucks with out getting my ass flamed all the way to >columbia right? (columbian bortheres no offense) > >ive given confield some time and it still sucks, my fav autechre stuff is >LP5 and Envane and cichlisuite and Anvil vapre. > >those LPs and EPs showed inovation in a lot of layers and confield sounds >like a wank shoot. anyway, its just a personal opinion. >and speaking of evolution, ive evolved to arovane and leafcutter john and >started from the usual rephlex/warp camp > >cheers, keep the falmes burning. > >teardropb
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2001-05-02 09:20teardropb .It's definitely a cool album, but I think where Autechre failed on this >album is to be ev
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It's definitely a cool album, but I think where Autechre failed on this
quoted 8 lines album is to be evolutionary. At least in the sense that it came across>album is to be evolutionary. At least in the sense that it came across >innovative. Like I said, there were groups before Autechre doing this >kind >of stuff but on a more aggressive level. But it definitely excites me to >see where they will go with it from here, if they decide to continue with >it. Lentic Catachresis to me sounds like they've been hanging out with >the >boys of Tribes of Neurot. Pretty creepy.
quoted 3 lines Peter "Pachinko" ?> >Peter "Pachinko" ? >- http://www.mp3.com/pachinko -
interesting.... can you give me some names, id like to check out these aggresive musicians. thanks and lots of marshmallos to you sir, regards, teardropb icq 55962348 irc #reaktor and #ecelctroni-musicmakers on DAlnet _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-02 16:12Peter SchrockI never said I was into it, I only said I had heard of it. besides, what good would it do
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I never said I was into it, I only said I had heard of it. besides, what good would it do if you don't like autechre's album. Try merzbow, tribes of neurot, current value, etc. just go into any hole in the wall record shop ask for anything experimental, i am sure they will give you a better heads up on whats out there than me. on 5/2/01 1:20 AM, teardropb . at boygothic@hotmail.com wrote:
quoted 8 lines interesting....> interesting.... > can you give me some names, id like to check out these aggresive musicians. > > thanks and lots of marshmallos to you sir, > > regards, > > teardropb
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2001-05-02 15:53M Mercerbe forewarned that autechre's new album in fact bears little to no semblance to 99% of mer
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be forewarned that autechre's new album in fact bears little to no semblance to 99% of merzbow's material, and i personally don't even see much similarity between tribes of neurot and the new ae. (i haven't heard current value, so i can't compare) merzbow is noise. in the truest sense. practically everything i have by merzbow is ear-splitting feedback, overproduced, supersaturated waves of sound. personally i really like it although i don't find myself putting it on very regularly, or going out to purchase the new merzbow release of the week. tribes of neurot have some things in common with the newer ae in its roughest spots (like perhaps the last track, minus the bouncing ball), albeit a more acoustically arranged group ("real" instruments). however, i think it's a bit of a stretch as i found the new ae to be more ambient than aggressive..... but then again i'm halfway glued to the first track ;-) i may be off-base because the last tribes record i heard was the split with walking time bombs some years ago... in any case, i don't think that these artists are really very similar to the new ae, so if you hate the new ae, you might still like them. or you might hate them all. who knows? just be aware that when a merzbow release says "EXTREME NOISE" on it, they're not exaggerating.... matt
quoted 27 lines From: Peter Schrock <pachinko74@mac.com>>From: Peter Schrock <pachinko74@mac.com> >To: anyone and everyone and <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] Confield is a natural(sic) progression >Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:12:16 -0800 > >I never said I was into it, I only said I had heard of it. besides, what >good would it do if you don't like autechre's album. Try merzbow, tribes >of >neurot, current value, etc. just go into any hole in the wall record shop >ask for anything experimental, i am sure they will give you a better heads >up on whats out there than me. > >on 5/2/01 1:20 AM, teardropb . at boygothic@hotmail.com wrote: > > > interesting.... > > can you give me some names, id like to check out these aggresive >musicians. > > > > thanks and lots of marshmallos to you sir, > > > > regards, > > > > teardropb > > >Peter "Pachinko" ? >- http://www.mp3.com/pachinko -
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2001-05-02 16:06MichaelHi M, M Mercer wrote on 02.05.2001 at 17:53: [Merzbow] Which CD can you recommend? Whats t
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Hi M, M Mercer wrote on 02.05.2001 at 17:53: [Merzbow] Which CD can you recommend? Whats there latest release? TIA, -- Michael - msnet@uni.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-04 06:57teardropb .be forewarned that autechre's new album in fact bears little to no >semblance >to 99% of m
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be forewarned that autechre's new album in fact bears little to no
quoted 54 lines semblance>semblance >to 99% of merzbow's material, and i personally don't even see much >similarity between tribes of neurot and the new ae. (i haven't heard >current >value, so i can't compare) > >merzbow is noise. in the truest sense. practically everything i have by >merzbow is ear-splitting feedback, overproduced, supersaturated waves of >sound. personally i really like it although i don't find myself putting it >on very regularly, or going out to purchase the new merzbow release of the >week. tribes of neurot have some things in common with the newer ae in its >roughest spots (like perhaps the last track, minus the bouncing ball), >albeit a more acoustically arranged group ("real" instruments). however, i >think it's a bit of a stretch as i found the new ae to be more ambient than >aggressive..... but then again i'm halfway glued to the first track ;-) i >may be off-base because the last tribes record i heard was the split with >walking time bombs some years ago... > >in any case, i don't think that these artists are really very similar to >the >new ae, so if you hate the new ae, you might still like them. or you might >hate them all. who knows? just be aware that when a merzbow release says >"EXTREME NOISE" on it, they're not exaggerating.... > > >matt > >>From: Peter Schrock <pachinko74@mac.com> >>To: anyone and everyone and <idm@hyperreal.org> >>Subject: Re: [idm] Confield is a natural(sic) progression >>Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:12:16 -0800 >> >>I never said I was into it, I only said I had heard of it. besides, what >>good would it do if you don't like autechre's album. Try merzbow, tribes >>of >>neurot, current value, etc. just go into any hole in the wall record >>shop >>ask for anything experimental, i am sure they will give you a better heads >>up on whats out there than me. >> >>on 5/2/01 1:20 AM, teardropb . at boygothic@hotmail.com wrote: >> >> > interesting.... >> > can you give me some names, id like to check out these aggresive >>musicians. >> > >> > thanks and lots of marshmallos to you sir, >> > >> > regards, >> > >> > teardropb >> >> >>Peter "Pachinko" ?
i liked the idea of "agresive autechre" or "agressive confiled" is there anything out there which sounds like confield but on an agressive slant? regards, teardropb icq 55962348 irc #reaktor on DALnet _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org