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2001-04-18 19:55J. Osborne [idm] Confield
2001-04-18 20:07A E Re: [idm] Confield
2001-04-18 20:14Greg Malcolm Re: [idm] Confield
└─ 2001-04-18 20:54Brian MacDonald Re: [idm] Confield
2001-04-18 20:23Syd Barrett Re: [idm] Confield
2001-04-18 20:24rw Re: [idm] Confield
└─ 2001-04-18 20:34atomly Re: [idm] Confield
2001-04-26 12:35Alex Reynolds [idm] confield
2001-04-26 13:55RE: [idm] confield
2001-05-02 20:45AG [idm] Confield
2001-05-03 21:27Mark Re: [idm] Confield
└─ 2001-05-04 01:36Peter Schrock Re: [idm] Confield
2001-05-04 01:31Re: [idm] Confield
└─ 2001-05-06 10:24The Chisa Re: [idm] Confield
2001-05-04 04:14Ebola 3 Re: [idm] Confield
2001-10-12 16:23Mithrust Tin [idm] Confield
└─ 2001-10-12 22:33EggyToast Re: [idm] Confield
2001-10-12 22:43peer Re: [idm] Confield
└─ 2001-10-13 03:49Lukas Bergstrom Re: [idm] Confield
2001-10-12 23:16Ebola 3 Re: [idm] Confield
└─ 2001-10-13 04:03EggyToast Re: [idm] Confield
2001-10-12 23:29:m. zero Re: [idm] Confield
2001-10-13 07:32Ebola 3 Re: [idm] Confield
2001-10-13 15:27Mithrust Tin Re: [idm] Confield
2001-10-14 00:04Kevin M. Ryan RE: [idm] Confield
2001-10-14 01:12Joseph MacKay Re: [idm] Confield
2001-10-14 05:39Kurt Hoffman Re: [idm] Confield
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2001-04-18 19:55J. Osborne> i say we ban all talk about confield when it > comes out.. if it was released under any
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quoted 5 lines i say we ban all talk about confield when it> i say we ban all talk about confield when it > comes out.. if it was released under any other > artist name this list wouldnt erupt in a bunch > of email-box-filling flamewarz. > anyone with me?
I say we discuss how dumb the name "Confield" sounds and how close it is to being "Cornfield." Seriously, there have been a lot of cool album and track names from Autechre (especially the tracks on Tri Repetae). Anyone agree that the new one does not fall into this category? forcasa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-18 20:07A EI have the album. It's great. The album title could definitely be better. I think that arn
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I have the album. It's great. The album title could definitely be better. I think that arnold layne pointed out that it sounded like Cornfield a long time ago. But, the music is what counts. --AE
quoted 9 lines From: "J. Osborne" <forcasa@yahoo.com>>From: "J. Osborne" <forcasa@yahoo.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] Confield >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:55:18 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.133.83.16] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBCA73C36006C40043111D185531011220; Wed Apr 18 12:55:34 2001 >Received: (qmail 5698 invoked by uid 281); 18 Apr 2001 19:55:21 -0000 >Received: (qmail 5659 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2001 19:55:21 -0000
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quoted 35 lines Mailing-List: contact idm-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm>Mailing-List: contact idm-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: <mailto:idm-help@hyperreal.org> >list-unsubscribe: <mailto:idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org> >list-post: <mailto:idm@hyperreal.org> >Delivered-To: mailing list idm@hyperreal.org >Message-ID: <20010418195518.88278.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> > > > i say we ban all talk about confield when it > > comes out.. if it was released under any other > > artist name this list wouldnt erupt in a bunch > > of email-box-filling flamewarz. > > anyone with me? > >I say we discuss how dumb the name "Confield" >sounds and how close it is to being "Cornfield." > >Seriously, there have been a lot of cool album >and track names from Autechre (especially the >tracks on Tri Repetae). Anyone agree that the >new one does not fall into this category? > > >forcasa > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-04-18 20:14Greg Malcolm>I think that arnold layne pointed out that it sounded like Cornfield a long >time ago. is
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quoted 2 lines I think that arnold layne pointed out that it sounded like Cornfield a long>I think that arnold layne pointed out that it sounded like Cornfield a long >time ago.
isn't arnold layne the title of an old pink floyd song? GM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-18 20:54Brian MacDonald"Arnold Layne". Gawd! What a stupid song title... why didn't they call it something cool l
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"Arnold Layne". Gawd! What a stupid song title... why didn't they call it something cool like "Flwtlup", or "Schism Kaleidoskopik +++", or "-b+sqrt(b2-4ac)/2a (Jackie O Quadratic Motherfucker)"? ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> ======================================================================= On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Greg Malcolm wrote:
quoted 16 lines I think that arnold layne pointed out that it sounded like Cornfield a long> > >I think that arnold layne pointed out that it sounded like Cornfield a long > >time ago. > > isn't arnold layne the title of an old pink floyd song? > > GM > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-04-18 20:23Syd BarrettArnold Layne had a strange hobby Collecting clothes Moonshine washing line They suit him f
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Arnold Layne had a strange hobby Collecting clothes Moonshine washing line They suit him fine On the wall hung a tall mirror Distorted view, see through baby blue Oh, Arnold Layne It's not the same, takes two to know Two to know, two to know Why can't you see? Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne Now he's caught - a nasty sort of person They gave him time Doors bang - chain gang - he hates it Oh, Arnold Layne It's not the same, takes two to know Two to know, two to know Why can't you see? Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne Don't do it again --Syd
quoted 10 lines From: "Greg Malcolm" <gemalcolm@hotmail.com>>From: "Greg Malcolm" <gemalcolm@hotmail.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Confield >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:14:11 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [206.154.216.250] >Received: from [209.133.83.16] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBCA740BD006F40043211D185531013210; Wed Apr 18 13:14:53 2001 >Received: (qmail 7274 invoked by uid 281); 18 Apr 2001 20:14:39 -0000 >Received: (qmail 7260 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2001 20:14:38 -0000
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quoted 27 lines Mailing-List: contact idm-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm>Mailing-List: contact idm-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: <mailto:idm-help@hyperreal.org> >list-unsubscribe: <mailto:idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org> >list-post: <mailto:idm@hyperreal.org> >Delivered-To: mailing list idm@hyperreal.org >Message-ID: <LAW2-F79Oh1vdkmyCF10000d4a9@hotmail.com> >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2001 20:14:11.0948 (UTC) >FILETIME=[21F612C0:01C0C844] > > >>I think that arnold layne pointed out that it sounded like Cornfield a >>long >>time ago. > >isn't arnold layne the title of an old pink floyd song? > >GM >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-04-18 20:24rwshine on you crazy diamond! rw ----- Original Message ----- From: "Syd Barrett" <l________
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shine on you crazy diamond! rw ----- Original Message ----- From: "Syd Barrett" <l__________@hotmail.com> To: <gemalcolm@hotmail.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Confield
quoted 76 lines Arnold Layne had a strange hobby> Arnold Layne had a strange hobby > Collecting clothes > Moonshine washing line > They suit him fine > On the wall hung a tall mirror > Distorted view, see through baby blue > Oh, Arnold Layne > It's not the same, takes two to know > Two to know, two to know > Why can't you see? > Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne > > Now he's caught - a nasty sort of person > They gave him time > Doors bang - chain gang - he hates it > Oh, Arnold Layne > It's not the same, takes two to know > Two to know, two to know > Why can't you see? > Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne > > Don't do it again > > > > > --Syd > > >From: "Greg Malcolm" <gemalcolm@hotmail.com> > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] Confield > >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:14:11 -0400 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >X-Originating-IP: [206.154.216.250] > >Received: from [209.133.83.16] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBCA740BD006F40043211D185531013210; Wed Apr 18 13:14:53 2001 > >Received: (qmail 7274 invoked by uid 281); 18 Apr 2001 20:14:39 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 7260 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2001 20:14:38 -0000 > >From idm-return-33167-l__________ Wed Apr 18 13:15:43 2001 > >Mailing-List: contact idm-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm > >Precedence: bulk > >X-No-Archive: yes > >list-help: <mailto:idm-help@hyperreal.org> > >list-unsubscribe: <mailto:idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org> > >list-post: <mailto:idm@hyperreal.org> > >Delivered-To: mailing list idm@hyperreal.org > >Message-ID: <LAW2-F79Oh1vdkmyCF10000d4a9@hotmail.com> > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2001 20:14:11.0948 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[21F612C0:01C0C844] > > > > > >>I think that arnold layne pointed out that it sounded like Cornfield a > >>long > >>time ago. > > > >isn't arnold layne the title of an old pink floyd song? > > > >GM > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-04-18 20:34atomly[rw <rw@goldengate.net>] > shine on you crazy diamond! Heh. Beautiful. -- :: atomly :: ato
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quoted 1 line shine on you crazy diamond!> shine on you crazy diamond!
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2001-04-26 12:35Alex ReynoldsAutechre Confield Warp Records [US] [CD] After "Tri Repetae", mad scientists Sean Booth an
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Autechre Confield Warp Records [US] [CD] After "Tri Repetae", mad scientists Sean Booth and Rob Brown made a conscious decision to reinvent their musical style with every release iteration. "EP7" shows little resemblance to "LP5", and likewise to "Chiastic Slide". Continuing this metaphor, the new full-length "Confield" is perhaps best described as an intermediate "patch" rather than a full update from Autechre v7.0 to v8.0, reflecting ongoing development of the ideas expressed in sonic form in "EP7", where the framework of a track is built up from genetic entities, sound information that reproduces and mutates at the behest of the musicians and their equipment. Beat genes, melodic genes, noise genes, all looping and constantly changing themselves -- they all fight or cooperate within the temporal space and other limiting parameters of the track that are set by the artists. The end product you hear is a recording of the birth, growth and death of this entity. Far from being a purely abstract, intellectual exercise, "Confield" is at its best when Autechre limit their direct involvement to a few detailed aspects of a track, instead letting the unpredictable machines do the majority of the work of chewing up sounds on every loop. Slight alterations are made with each iteration that completely change the nature of the piece by its life's end, keeping the listener absorbed in the process. The mutating pace of gamelan beats in "VI Scose Poise", for example, prevents the synth melody from finding a comfortable niche to reside in the ever-changing rhythmic environment, almost keeping the listener hypnotized with this ongoing struggle. "Pen Expers" hip-hop rhythms decay and recover, fight with noise and knob-twiddled distortion, only to end up in conflict with a dark melody that fades in and out of reception. The shimmering beauty of ringing metal in "Parhelic Triangle" must find a way to stay afloat a sea of chunky, scrunchy, violent bass beats that mutate and grow ever more severe. Perhaps the most enjoyable track on the release, "Uviol"s simple and beautiful piano notes intersect with shiny, fibrous beats, forming a three-minute introduction to ever-changing bubbling noises that crackle with noisy electricity and, like snowflakes, are never the same the second time around. With only "Cfern" and "Bine" as tracks that might be considered too plodding or frenetic for enjoyment, "Confield" is even more the accomplishment in how Booth and Brown manage to maintain focus, to keep enough control over their output that it is still listenable. This release is yet another demonstration of Autechre's mastery over sound. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-26 13:55damek@earthling.net> -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Reynolds [mailto:reynolda@sas.upenn.edu] > Sent:
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quoted 10 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Reynolds [mailto:reynolda@sas.upenn.edu] > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:35 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] confield > > "Confield" is perhaps best described as an intermediate > "patch" rather > than a full update from Autechre v7.0 to v8.0, reflecting ongoing > development of the ideas expressed in sonic form in "EP7", where the
just to be anal: wouldn't it really be more like this: Autechre 0.1 = Cavity Job Autechre 1.0 = Incunabula Autechre 1.3 = Basscadet EP Autechre 1.7 = Anti EP Autechre 2.0 = Amber Autechre 2.3 = Garbage EP Autechre 2.7 = Anvil Vapre EP Autechre 3.0 = Tri Repetae Autechre 3.23 = we r are why / are y are we? Autechre 3.7 = Envane EP Autechre 4.0 = Chiastic Slide Autechre 4.3 = Cichlisuite EP Autechre 5.0 = LP5 Autechre 5.3 = EP7 Autechre 6.0 = Confield Leaving out a few odds and ends, and of course the Gescom stuff, but I think that's fair. Actually, this is more based on chronology than on their stylistic evolution, which was the point of the metaphor in the review (I think). in that case, maybe Confield does indeed belong somewhere closer to EP7 and LP5 in style, so maybe it should get version number 5.6? -adam --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-02 20:45AGMost of all I like the eighth track. At first I listened only #8 in a loop-mode. It is a r
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Most of all I like the eighth track. At first I listened only #8 in a loop-mode. It is a really strong track. Least I like the third track. :: alex :: 03.05.2001 :: [0:37] :: sound off :: --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-03 21:27MarkReally? I find the third track, Pen Expers, to be the best track on the album! Such a grea
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Really? I find the third track, Pen Expers, to be the best track on the album! Such a great way for a melody to come in, the whole flow is just brilliant. I find the last track to be the worst.. -mark AG wrote:
quoted 20 lines Most of all I like the eighth track.> Most of all I like the eighth track. > > At first I listened only #8 in a loop-mode. It is a really > strong track. > > Least I like the third track. > > > > > :: alex :: 03.05.2001 :: [0:37] :: sound off :: > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >
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2001-05-04 01:36Peter Schrockon 5/3/01 1:27 PM, Mark at mef@ecst.csuchico.edu wrote: > Really? I find the third track,
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on 5/3/01 1:27 PM, Mark at mef@ecst.csuchico.edu wrote:
quoted 5 lines Really? I find the third track, Pen Expers, to be the best track on the> Really? I find the third track, Pen Expers, to be the best track on the > album! Such a great way for a melody to come in, the whole flow is just > brilliant. I find the last track to be the worst.. > > -mark
i like the last track, to me it is the darkest one on this album, but I do like Pen Expers, i agree. Peter "Pachinko" Ý - http://www.mp3.com/pachinko - --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-04 01:31andrei@world.std.comI'm pretty convinced that track samples the drums from Run-D.M.C.'s "Sucker MCs". Andrei M
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I'm pretty convinced that track samples the drums from Run-D.M.C.'s "Sucker MCs". Andrei Mark wrote:
quoted 14 lines Really? I find the third track, Pen Expers, to be the best track on the> Really? I find the third track, Pen Expers, to be the best track on the > album! Such a great way for a melody to come in, the whole flow is just > brilliant. I find the last track to be the worst.. > > -mark > > AG wrote: > > > Least I like the third track. > > > > > > > > > > :: alex :: 03.05.2001 :: [0:37] :: sound off ::
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2001-05-06 10:24The ChisaAppropriate. m@2zo www.thechisa.com "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk thr
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Appropriate. m@2zo www.thechisa.com "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of the shadow of death!'" -- Mr. T On Thu, 3 May 2001 andrei@world.std.com wrote:
quoted 27 lines I'm pretty convinced that track samples the drums from Run-D.M.C.'s "Sucker> I'm pretty convinced that track samples the drums from Run-D.M.C.'s "Sucker MCs". > > Andrei > > > Mark wrote: > > > Really? I find the third track, Pen Expers, to be the best track on the > > album! Such a great way for a melody to come in, the whole flow is just > > brilliant. I find the last track to be the worst.. > > > > -mark > > > > AG wrote: > > > > > Least I like the third track. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :: alex :: 03.05.2001 :: [0:37] :: sound off :: > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-05-04 04:14Ebola 306 is fucking bleak. Ebola np: Jay Longfellow >From: Peter Schrock <pachinko74@mac.com> >T
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06 is fucking bleak. Ebola np: Jay Longfellow
quoted 24 lines From: Peter Schrock <pachinko74@mac.com>>From: Peter Schrock <pachinko74@mac.com> >To: anyone and everyone and <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] Confield >Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:36:49 -0800 > >on 5/3/01 1:27 PM, Mark at mef@ecst.csuchico.edu wrote: > > > Really? I find the third track, Pen Expers, to be the best track on the > > album! Such a great way for a melody to come in, the whole flow is just > > brilliant. I find the last track to be the worst.. > > > > -mark >i like the last track, to me it is the darkest one on this album, but I do >like Pen Expers, i agree. > >Peter "Pachinko" ? >- http://www.mp3.com/pachinko - > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-10-12 16:23Mithrust TinI'm sure this has been debated quite a bit by now -- probably to the point of monotony --
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I'm sure this has been debated quite a bit by now -- probably to the point of monotony -- but I'd like to talk about it for a moment. I'm not good at explaining music in metaphors. Confield sounds like a fractal to me whereas Tri Repetae sounds like a painting. That's the only way I can explain it. I can respect the auto-generational nature of Confield on some level, but I can't listen to it. It's not a bad album by any means. It might even be a great album. It's just not my thing. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-12 22:33EggyToastAt 11:23 AM 10/12/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I'm sure this has been debated quite a bit by no
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quoted 7 lines I'm sure this has been debated quite a bit by now -- probably to the point>I'm sure this has been debated quite a bit by now -- probably to the point >of monotony -- but I'd like to talk about it for a moment. I'm not good at >explaining music in metaphors. Confield sounds like a fractal to me >whereas Tri Repetae sounds like a painting. That's the only way I can >explain it. I can respect the auto-generational nature of Confield on some >level, but I can't listen to it. It's not a bad album by any means. It >might even be a great album. It's just not my thing.
What makes you think Confield is generative, and Tri Repetae isn't? derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- fresh like pie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-12 22:43peerthe generative methods used on confield did not exist for tri repetae. the gear used was m
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the generative methods used on confield did not exist for tri repetae. the gear used was much less sophisticated, so more direct human control was needed to produce the music. whereas on confield, much of what you're hearing was actually determined by a set of algorithms (particularly true for their live sets this year). i like the analogy of painting versus fractal. i think in the future, this will be done in real time as you listen to the music, possibly even evolving over time into something else entirely. you'd never quite hear the same piece of music twice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "EggyToast" <youn0394@umn.edu> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Confield
quoted 2 lines At 11:23 AM 10/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:> At 11:23 AM 10/12/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >I'm sure this has been debated quite a bit by now -- probably to the
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quoted 1 line of monotony -- but I'd like to talk about it for a moment. I'm not good> >of monotony -- but I'd like to talk about it for a moment. I'm not good
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quoted 3 lines explaining music in metaphors. Confield sounds like a fractal to me> >explaining music in metaphors. Confield sounds like a fractal to me > >whereas Tri Repetae sounds like a painting. That's the only way I can > >explain it. I can respect the auto-generational nature of Confield on
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quoted 18 lines level, but I can't listen to it. It's not a bad album by any means. It> >level, but I can't listen to it. It's not a bad album by any means. It > >might even be a great album. It's just not my thing. > > What makes you think Confield is generative, and Tri Repetae isn't? > > derek > > ------- > eggytoast.com > ------- > fresh like pie > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-10-13 03:49Lukas BergstromOn Fri, 12 Oct 2001, peer wrote: > fractal. i think in the future, this will be done in re
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, peer wrote:
quoted 3 lines fractal. i think in the future, this will be done in real time as you> fractal. i think in the future, this will be done in real time as you > listen to the music, possibly even evolving over time into something else > entirely. you'd never quite hear the same piece of music twice.
Autechre has thought about this, according to an interview I read, but have held back because supposedly you can only copyright a specific recording, so people could legally resell the music generated by such a cd. Personally I think that's crap, there must be a way to handle the legal issue, but I'm no lawyer. Lukas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-12 23:16Ebola 3There is the fact that Autechre refered to using generative composition on Confield in int
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There is the fact that Autechre refered to using generative composition on Confield in interviews. That being said, I feel that Confield is more creative than Tri-Repeatae. Ebola np: Boy Sets Fire
quoted 15 lines What makes you think Confield is generative, and Tri Repetae isn't?> >What makes you think Confield is generative, and Tri Repetae isn't? > >derek > >------- >eggytoast.com >------- >fresh like pie > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-10-13 04:03EggyToastAt 11:16 PM 10/12/2001 +0000, you wrote: >There is the fact that Autechre refered to using
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At 11:16 PM 10/12/2001 +0000, you wrote:
quoted 3 lines There is the fact that Autechre refered to using generative composition on>There is the fact that Autechre refered to using generative composition on >Confield in interviews. That being said, I feel that Confield is more >creative than Tri-Repeatae.
Right, well, I'm just wondering how a listener would distinguish this. People always slap the "generative" label on Mr. Devine, although it's not. And some people slap the "non-generative" label on things that are. How can you tell the difference? Confield doesn't sound generative to me; just hyperintricate. And, for the record, I've never liked all of Tri Repetae. About half the songs are pretty decent, basically the first 4 songs and Rsdio. Can't say I like Amber all that much, either. But I love Incunabula, and listen to ep7 all the way through, but don't really like lp5? maybe I'm just confused ;D Maybe I should talk about this to mr. piontek ;D derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- fresh like pie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-12 23:29:m. zero> fractal. i think in the future, this will be done in real time as you > listen to the mu
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quoted 3 lines fractal. i think in the future, this will be done in real time as you> fractal. i think in the future, this will be done in real time as you > listen to the music, possibly even evolving over time into something else > entirely. you'd never quite hear the same piece of music twice.
i think that this concept could quite possibly overtake modern dj performances. granted, when a dj drops a popular track, there's instant response, and you can relate to it very well, but i've found tendencies towards mixing and creating on the fly in a number of situations. this concept is not too unfamiliar with the live performances of autechre and underworld in particular. the way i see it, the future holds a couple of people at some soundboard, just punching loops and samples in and out, making the whole thing evolve as it goes, and with great skill, the show should be likely to climax with a completely new song about a half hour in length, pulling from the best executed parts of the night. fucking gorgeous. :mz // anonbox · http://posthoc.org/ | http://ecesis.org/ 'if there were two of you, which one would win?' --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-13 07:32Ebola 3> >Right, well, I'm just wondering how a listener would distinguish >this. People always s
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quoted 5 lines Right, well, I'm just wondering how a listener would distinguish> >Right, well, I'm just wondering how a listener would distinguish >this. People always slap the "generative" label on Mr. Devine, although >it's not. And some people slap the "non-generative" label on things that >are. How can you tell the difference?
People usually just guess. I mean, a fractal music would sound like different iterations of slight variations of a central theme...that's a good deal of what creative humans do!
quoted 6 lines And, for the record, I've never liked all of Tri Repetae. About half the> >And, for the record, I've never liked all of Tri Repetae. About half the >songs are pretty decent, basically the first 4 songs and Rsdio. Can't say >I like Amber all that much, either. But I love Incunabula, and listen to >ep7 all the way through, but don't really like lp5? maybe I'm just >confused ;D
Hmmm...you seem to be your own individual. Ebola np: Haujobb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-13 15:27Mithrust Tin>From: "Ebola 3" <andylists@hotmail.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Confie
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quoted 16 lines From: "Ebola 3" <andylists@hotmail.com>>From: "Ebola 3" <andylists@hotmail.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Confield >Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 07:32:38 +0000 > > >> >>Right, well, I'm just wondering how a listener would distinguish >>this. People always slap the "generative" label on Mr. Devine, although >>it's not. And some people slap the "non-generative" label on things that >>are. How can you tell the difference? > >People usually just guess. I mean, a fractal music would sound like >different iterations of slight variations of a central theme...that's a >good >deal of what creative humans do!
Autechre have talked about using generative software for years. Rob Brown said that he spends a lot of time programming algorhythms in Opcode Max. He said that he wishes he could create algorhyths and put them on CD so that people would hear a different song each time. They're heavily into generative software. What's nice about generative software is that you can keep things interesting with little effort. Once you learn the language (which is not easy with the sort of software Autechre uses), it's not hard. You still need musical skill. It just makes things less time-consuming. My distaste for Confield stems from the arrangements and textures, not the generative process itself.
quoted 8 lines And, for the record, I've never liked all of Tri Repetae. About half the>> >>And, for the record, I've never liked all of Tri Repetae. About half the >>songs are pretty decent, basically the first 4 songs and Rsdio. Can't say >>I like Amber all that much, either. But I love Incunabula, and listen to >>ep7 all the way through, but don't really like lp5? maybe I'm just >>confused ;D > >Hmmm...you seem to be your own individual.
I didn't like LP5 either. The same goes for Chiastic Slide. The only post-Tri Repetae album that I can get into is EP7. I think it struck a good balance between headfuck and melody. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-14 00:04Kevin M. Ryan<<Autechre has thought about this, according to an interview I read, but have held back be
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<<Autechre has thought about this, according to an interview I read, but have held back because supposedly you can only copyright a specific recording, so people could legally resell the music generated by such a cd. Personally I think that's crap, there must be a way to handle the legal issue, but I'm no lawyer.>> Couldn't they simply copyright it as a software CD rather than a music CD? Besides, I have plenty of (copyrighted) music CDs that have computer programs on them (KRS-1 and Penal Colony come to mind first), although nothing like that. <shrug> I'm no lawyer either, so I'm probably vastly oversimplifying things. (Anyway, it's not about the money: it's about the music, dude =) np: Failure _Fantastic Planet_ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-14 01:12Joseph MacKay----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin M. Ryan" <kevinmr@uclink.berkeley.edu> To: <idm@
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin M. Ryan" <kevinmr@uclink.berkeley.edu> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 9:04 PM Subject: RE: [idm] Confield
quoted 4 lines <<Autechre has thought about this, according to an interview I read, but> <<Autechre has thought about this, according to an interview I read, but > have held back because supposedly you can only copyright a specific > recording, so people could legally resell the music generated by such a > cd. Personally I think that's crap, there must be a way to handle the
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quoted 5 lines issue, but I'm no lawyer.>>> issue, but I'm no lawyer.>> > > Couldn't they simply copyright it as a software CD rather than a music CD? > > Besides, I have plenty of (copyrighted) music CDs that have computer
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quoted 2 lines on them (KRS-1 and Penal Colony come to mind first), although nothing like> on them (KRS-1 and Penal Colony come to mind first), although nothing like > that. <shrug> I'm no lawyer either, so I'm probably vastly
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quoted 2 lines things. (Anyway, it's not about the money: it's about the music, dude =)> things. (Anyway, it's not about the money: it's about the music, dude =) >
Think I read the interview in question. The problem was that they'd be able to copyright the software, but not the music it created each time it was run. Thus, the end user (read: listener) could copyright the end product themselves. So the rights problem lies in the results, not the software. Still, you'd think they could tag on a user agreement regulating the output or somethin'. All that said, I'm not familliar with the other cases you mentioned. Might be the same thing. A shame in any case, it *would* be fun to hear the results. Joe -------------------------------------------- email: joemackay@accesswave.nospam.ca info: www.accesswave.ca/~joemackay tunes: www.mp3.com/thebalaclavathesis [remove the obvious from the email] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-14 05:39Kurt Hoffman> >> music, possibly even evolving over time into something else > >> entirely. you'd neve
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quoted 5 lines music, possibly even evolving over time into something else> >> music, possibly even evolving over time into something else > >> entirely. you'd never quite hear the same piece of music twice. > > >...i've found tendencies >towards...creating on the fly in a number of situations
whoa...music that differs from previous performances? live performance that includes creativity?...radical... k --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org