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I feel I may have missed the boat with the majority of the discussion over Booth and Brown's newest release, but due to the exceedingly harsh criticism Autechre has been receiving over their latest effort something must be said. I find it inconceivable that individuals who purport to enjoy so much of Autechre's backcatalog are failing to find something wondrous and touching within Confield. Are they really listening? Do they even understand what they are listening to? Since LP5, Autechre's releases have had a tendency to initially "fall on deaf ears", so to speak, garnering negative comments and reviews in the first weeks/months after release, only to later be collectively embraced as groundbreaking music with much to share for those who listen. The complexity of the music defies easy acquisition of a definite initial impression. Even now after years of listening I can pop in almost any Autechre release and still occasionally find new sounds and relationships between layers that I have never noticed before. The subliminal subtleties contained in Autechre's music are where its true power lies, and are what most of the recent naysayers are totally overlooking. If you don't like Confield after 2-4 initial listens, leave it alone for a while; a few weeks should easily suffice. When you come back to it, I guarantee you'll hear more than you did in your previous excursions. To immediately judge this album is akin to flipping through a 600 page book in 5 minutes and afterwards attempting to give a detailed plot synopsis. It can't be reliably done. No one has fully absorbed Confield yet in the limited time it has been available to our ears. So, save yourself from ignorance and spare the list your criticism til you're sure you're hearing everything. :) -unit

i bet if some one else had done a wank shoot with dsp instead of autechre, then confield would have not been given as much of a second chance. they used to be amazing way up till konlied this time though, something definately went wrong. im trying to 'hear' something, but nothing is grabbing me. and its not like i dont appreciate abstract stuff, recently ive enjoyed a lot of phathalocyanine, leafcutter john and richard devine. oh anyway, i dont know why i cant stop bickering...must resist...must..n..ot...give..in...end rant..+end+r+antTttTt... teardropb _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 12:16 AM 4/23/2001 +0000, teardropb . wrote:

quoted 12 lines i bet if some one else had done a wank shoot with dsp instead of autechre,

>i bet if some one else had done a wank shoot with dsp instead of autechre, >then confield would have not been given as much of a second chance. > >they used to be amazing way up till konlied > >this time though, something definately went wrong. >im trying to 'hear' something, but nothing is grabbing me. and its not >like i dont appreciate abstract stuff, recently ive enjoyed a lot of >phathalocyanine, leafcutter john and richard devine. > >oh anyway, i dont know why i cant stop bickering...must >resist...must..n..ot...give..in...end rant..+end+r+antTttTt...

Could you shut up and get over it? / wells // wells@submute.net "i saved latin. what did you ever do?" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 11 lines From: "Lee Billings" <bill0089@tc.umn.edu>

>From: "Lee Billings" <bill0089@tc.umn.edu> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: [idm] ae's confield >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:10:05 -0500 > > I feel I may have missed the boat with the majority of the discussion >over Booth and Brown's newest release, but due to the exceedingly harsh >criticism Autechre has been receiving over their latest effort something >must be said. I find it inconceivable that individuals who purport to >enjoy so much of Autechre's backcatalog are failing to find something >wondrous and touching within Confield.

Inconceivable?? really? it's not that hard to imagine. every musician lays a stinker, some just more frequently than others. have you heard the lp yet?

quoted 5 lines Are they really listening? Do they even understand what they are listening

>Are they really listening? Do they even understand what they are listening >to? Since LP5, Autechre's releases have had a tendency to initially "fall >on deaf ears", so to speak, garnering negative comments and reviews in the >first weeks/months after release, only to later be collectively embraced as >groundbreaking music with much to share for those who listen.

well sure! listen to anything long enough and you'll start to make sense out of it/ think you like it by recognizing where that one click comes in or that squishy noise turns into that crunchy sound. people like what they're familiar with. it's like my gearhead friend who can diagnose a car's problems by that wheezing sound in the muffler. music to his ears i guess you'd say.

quoted 7 lines The complexity of the music defies easy acquisition of a definite

> The complexity of the music defies easy acquisition of a definite >initial impression. Even now after years of listening I can pop in almost >any Autechre release and still occasionally find new sounds and >relationships between layers that I have never noticed before. The >subliminal subtleties contained in Autechre's music are where its true >power lies, and are what most of the recent naysayers are totally > >overlooking.

A piece of turd is extremely complex too, made from compressed micro-compounds of waste and dregs expelled from the body's convolution of intestines ...but at first glace it looks...shitty. you can find beauty in anything if you look deep enough and have a willing mind. i'm of the belief that music should return more (positive) energy than is put into the listening part (if the musician is to be considered artistically competant). there might be some subtlities i'm overlooking now, but where's the intial draw?? give me SOMEthing to keep me coming back, and then i'll study it more closely and hopefully be rewarded with new dimensions of fullfillment. that's the trick! not some: "here ya go, i just mixed up a ton of clever noises, see what you find in it and reflect your own thoughts of what it means to you". i don't generally dig on annoying ink blot tunes, but i can't say i don't enjoy my fair share of far-fetching ambiguous tunes every now and again as a novelty.

quoted 9 lines If you don't like Confield after 2-4 initial listens, leave it alone for a

>If you don't like Confield after 2-4 initial listens, leave it alone for a >while; a few weeks should easily suffice. When you come back to it, I >guarantee you'll hear more than you did in your previous excursions. To >immediately judge this album is akin to flipping through a 600 page book in >5 minutes and afterwards attempting to give a detailed plot synopsis. It >can't be reliably done. No one has fully absorbed Confield yet in the >limited time it has been available to our ears. So, save yourself from >ignorance and spare the list your criticism til you're sure you're hearing >everything. :)

You're right on this part i think. I still haven't formed a solid opinion of the work myself. but so far i'm only impressed by the nerve on the part of the 2 gentlemen who put this together as a public release. that took some BALLS! Then again, i know myself well enough that if i don't like a tune after the 3rd-7th time around, generaly i never will. i've only heard it twice and some a few more and still don't care for it over all, but i'm taking my time with it and not going to force myself to like it just because it's "AUTECHRE, MAN!" So, for now i'll give the record a 'bad acid trip experience' tick. "make it stooooop". maybe in the next 100 years it'll be praised to high heaven? we'll see! ok i'm done now. :O| e. ps- or just maybe this really is a contumacious act aimed on this list, as I remember the boys getting really steamed when thier last record was slagged on this list! LOL _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Erigeomag" <auxopoly@hotmail.com> To: "Lee Billings" <bill0089@tc.umn.edu>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [idm] ae's confield

quoted 9 lines From: "Lee Billings" <bill0089@tc.umn.edu>

> > > > >From: "Lee Billings" <bill0089@tc.umn.edu> > >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: [idm] ae's confield > >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:10:05 -0500 > > > > I feel I may have missed the boat with the majority of the

discussion

quoted 8 lines over Booth and Brown's newest release, but due to the exceedingly harsh

> >over Booth and Brown's newest release, but due to the exceedingly harsh > >criticism Autechre has been receiving over their latest effort something > >must be said. I find it inconceivable that individuals who purport to > >enjoy so much of Autechre's backcatalog are failing to find something > >wondrous and touching within Confield. > > > Inconceivable?? really? it's not that hard to imagine. every musician lays

a

quoted 1 line stinker, some just more frequently than others. have you heard the lp yet?

> stinker, some just more frequently than others. have you heard the lp yet?

I've listened to the mp3 versions off Napster, yes. You think I'd write all this in defense of an album I had yet to hear? I've always considered myself an Autechre fanatic but that would be pushing my envelope!

quoted 2 lines The complexity of the music defies easy acquisition of a definite

> > The complexity of the music defies easy acquisition of a definite > >initial impression. Even now after years of listening I can pop in

almost

quoted 11 lines any Autechre release and still occasionally find new sounds and

> >any Autechre release and still occasionally find new sounds and > >relationships between layers that I have never noticed before. The > >subliminal subtleties contained in Autechre's music are where its true > >power lies, and are what most of the recent naysayers are totally > > >overlooking. > > > A piece of turd is extremely complex too, made from compressed > micro-compounds of waste and dregs expelled from the body's convolution of > intestines ...but at first glace it looks...shitty. you can find beauty in > anything if you look deep enough and have a willing mind. i'm of the

belief

quoted 2 lines that music should return more (positive) energy than is put into the

> that music should return more (positive) energy than is put into the > listening part (if the musician is to be considered artistically

competant).

quoted 2 lines there might be some subtlities i'm overlooking now, but where's the intial

> there might be some subtlities i'm overlooking now, but where's the intial > draw?? give me SOMEthing to keep me coming back, and then i'll study it

more

quoted 2 lines closely and hopefully be rewarded with new dimensions of fullfillment.

> closely and hopefully be rewarded with new dimensions of fullfillment. > that's the trick!

You make an excellent point here, and I must give you props on your vivid scatological description. :) I think most people on this list would agree with me that Autechre's music is by and large becoming progressively more "difficult" with each release, in that the hooks that bring one back time and again are becoming more and more subtle. The trouble many people are having with Confield could be that the hooks aren't immediately apparent due to their subtlety, and they slip under the radar. A prime example that comes to mind is track 5, Parhelic Triangle. The first time I heard it the only thing that leapt out at me was the apparent monotony of the whole track, a loop of distorted sounds over distant clanging. The second listen was much richer: I heard what seemed to be two categories of sounds in the dominant loop operating in a kind of counterpoint to each other, and I could trace the development of the clanging from simple backing tones to the full-blown sounds of bells back to tones again at the end, carrying on quite a nice melody. The third listen lead to further distinctions, and I noticed the absences of sound (especially static) that actually give this song GROOVE! A plodding, slow groove, but a groove none the less. I noticed how the bells at times follow the pattern of the dominant loop (which makes me wonder if they aren't more intimately connected), and I heard faint piano-like notes interwoven with the sounds of cawing crows. And I still feel I've only scratched the surface. Maybe some people can pick out all those details at first blush, but I'm definitely not one of them. I think someone not enjoying Confield should take time off from listening to it precisely because the hooks in many of the songs are practically subliminal. Given time they have a better chance of sinking in and effecting one's perception of the music. Confield, more than any Autechre release before it, is almost like an auditory "Magic Eye" picture... At times you need to unfocus to bring out the overall structure. -unit --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines The trouble many people

>The trouble many people >are having with Confield could be that the hooks aren't immediately apparent >due to their subtlety, and they slip under the radar. A prime example that >comes to mind is track 5, Parhelic Triangle. The first time I heard it the >only thing that leapt out at me was the apparent monotony of the whole >track, a loop of distorted sounds over distant clanging.

I thought a lot of bits were pretty "sticky" at first. Like, in your example, I love that bassline in "parhelic triangle" :D everything else is gravy :D

quoted 5 lines I think

> I think >someone not enjoying Confield should take time off from listening to it >precisely because the hooks in many of the songs are practically subliminal. >Given time they have a better chance of sinking in and effecting one's >perception of the music.

Or just say "i'm not into subliminable stuff, and the new Autechre really isn't for me," and be happy they didn't plop any money down. There's a fine line between "bitching" and "offering a review." The list has yet to see an actual review of Confield.

quoted 3 lines Confield, more than any Autechre release before it, is almost like an

> Confield, more than any Autechre release before it, is almost like an >auditory "Magic Eye" picture... At times you need to unfocus to bring out >the overall structure.

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quoted 109 lines From: "Lee Billings" <bill0089@tc.umn.edu>

>From: "Lee Billings" <bill0089@tc.umn.edu> >To: "Mr. Erigeomag" <auxopoly@hotmail.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] ae's confield >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:15:50 -0500 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mr. Erigeomag" <auxopoly@hotmail.com> >To: "Lee Billings" <bill0089@tc.umn.edu>; <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 9:29 PM >Subject: Re: [idm] ae's confield > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Lee Billings" <bill0089@tc.umn.edu> > > >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > >Subject: [idm] ae's confield > > >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:10:05 -0500 > > > > > > I feel I may have missed the boat with the majority of the >discussion > > >over Booth and Brown's newest release, but due to the exceedingly harsh > > >criticism Autechre has been receiving over their latest effort >something > > >must be said. I find it inconceivable that individuals who purport to > > >enjoy so much of Autechre's backcatalog are failing to find something > > >wondrous and touching within Confield. > > > > > > Inconceivable?? really? it's not that hard to imagine. every musician >lays >a > > stinker, some just more frequently than others. have you heard the lp >yet? > > I've listened to the mp3 versions off Napster, yes. You think I'd >write >all this in defense of an album I had yet to hear? I've always considered >myself an Autechre fanatic but that would be pushing my envelope! > > > > The complexity of the music defies easy acquisition of a definite > > >initial impression. Even now after years of listening I can pop in >almost > > >any Autechre release and still occasionally find new sounds and > > >relationships between layers that I have never noticed before. The > > >subliminal subtleties contained in Autechre's music are where its true > > >power lies, and are what most of the recent naysayers are totally > > > >overlooking. > > > > > > A piece of turd is extremely complex too, made from compressed > > micro-compounds of waste and dregs expelled from the body's convolution >of > > intestines ...but at first glace it looks...shitty. you can find beauty >in > > anything if you look deep enough and have a willing mind. i'm of the >belief > > that music should return more (positive) energy than is put into the > > listening part (if the musician is to be considered artistically >competant). > > there might be some subtlities i'm overlooking now, but where's the >intial > > draw?? give me SOMEthing to keep me coming back, and then i'll study it >more > > closely and hopefully be rewarded with new dimensions of fullfillment. > > that's the trick! > > You make an excellent point here, and I must give you props on your >vivid scatological description. :) I think most people on this list would >agree with me that Autechre's music is by and large becoming progressively >more "difficult" with each release, in that the hooks that bring one back >time and again are becoming more and more subtle. The trouble many people >are having with Confield could be that the hooks aren't immediately >apparent >due to their subtlety, and they slip under the radar. A prime example that >comes to mind is track 5, Parhelic Triangle. The first time I heard it the >only thing that leapt out at me was the apparent monotony of the whole >track, a loop of distorted sounds over distant clanging. The second listen >was much richer: I heard what seemed to be two categories of sounds in the >dominant loop operating in a kind of counterpoint to each other, and I >could >trace the development of the clanging from simple backing tones to the >full-blown sounds of bells back to tones again at the end, carrying on >quite >a nice melody. The third listen lead to further distinctions, and I >noticed >the absences of sound (especially static) that actually give this song >GROOVE! A plodding, slow groove, but a groove none the less. I noticed how >the bells at times follow the pattern of the dominant loop (which makes me >wonder if they aren't more intimately connected), and I heard faint >piano-like notes interwoven with the sounds of cawing crows. And I still >feel I've only scratched the surface. Maybe some people can pick out all >those details at first blush, but I'm definitely not one of them. I think >someone not enjoying Confield should take time off from listening to it >precisely because the hooks in many of the songs are practically >subliminal. >Given time they have a better chance of sinking in and effecting one's >perception of the music. > > Confield, more than any Autechre release before it, is almost like an >auditory "Magic Eye" picture... At times you need to unfocus to bring out >the overall structure. > >-unit > > >

Let me pose a question to all the people who make music on this list for a sec: HOw many times have you finished a tune (or are still in the middle of making), go back and listen to it and find things you hadn't heard before cus you were too busy creating the music?? I'll be the first to admit i have. what with all them crazy filters and process-happenings going on! hidden patterns, echos of echos that arrange themselves to form small background pockets of patterns between the gaps of the bigger patterns. even a totally tranformed song when i start the tune somewhere in the middle of the pattern rather than the beginning! I'm going to go out on a limb here and say i'm sure AE has had this happened before. But it's to the point now that sometimes i feel that they let these little processed synth/percussion do all the talking and nothing from the soul a little too often for my likings. (sound engineers or musicians?) again, it's just making mountains out of molehills by over-scrutinizing these swirling masses of clever sounds and drawing what you will from it (which can be part of the fun i suppose). ever look in the sky and make out a dragon from the cumulus clouds but your friend sees a lion? same type thing, but with music. on that front, they've succeeded admirably! but in the end, i go back to tunes that sound gorgeous in the big picture as well as down to the nitty-gritty. .e _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 20 lines Let me pose a question to all the people who make music on this list for a

>Let me pose a question to all the people who make music on this list for a >sec: HOw many times have you finished a tune (or are still in the middle >of making), go back and listen to it and find things you hadn't heard >before cus you were too busy creating the music?? I'll be the first to >admit i have. what with all them crazy filters and process-happenings >going on! hidden patterns, echos of echos that arrange themselves to form >small background pockets of patterns between the gaps of the bigger >patterns. even a totally tranformed song when i start the tune somewhere >in the middle of the pattern rather than the beginning! I'm going to go >out on a limb here and say i'm sure AE has had this happened before. But >it's to the point now that sometimes i feel that they let these little >processed synth/percussion do all the talking and nothing from the soul a >little too often for my likings. (sound engineers or musicians?) again, >it's just making mountains out of molehills by over-scrutinizing these >swirling masses of clever sounds and drawing what you will from it (which >can be part of the fun i suppose). ever look in the sky and make out a >dragon from the cumulus clouds but your friend sees a lion? same type >thing, but with music. on that front, they've succeeded admirably! but in >the end, i go back to tunes that sound gorgeous in the big picture as well >as down to the nitty-gritty.

I don't know.... I personally find Coil's "Worship the Glitch," which, to me, is based on the "in between" sounds, to have plenty of "soul." As someone said earlier, though - this music isn't necessarily human. If you want human music, there's plenty of stuff with lyrics out there that is just bleeding humanity. I've always liked IDM because you can have emotions that aren't easy to hear or explain, without having to resort to controlled substances. I liken the emotion of, say, Boards of Canada, to sitting on a swing in an old playground on one of the last warm days of summer. Autechre might be the emotion that swing feels under yer ass :D cheers, /derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- now updated daily --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 9 lines I liken the emotion of, say, Boards of Canada, to sitting on a swing in an

>I liken the emotion of, say, Boards of Canada, to sitting on a swing in an >old playground on one of the last warm days of summer. Autechre might be >the emotion that swing feels under yer ass :D > >cheers, >/derek >------- >eggytoast.com >-------

i agree all the way ! i swear boards of canada reminds me of honey brown atmosphere in the old palyground where i used to play with my friends when i was about 10. Ae on the other way remind me of a hyper flexed future where matrix is just a boring car crash. Ae are trully the sounds of machines fucking and going into orgasms and folding onto them selves. Richard Devine on the other hands is anti matter( ?? ) emotions, for me at least(which is why i enjoy it a lot too) P.S. have you heard COIL's " black light district' . that albumn to me has the undescribable emotion of a shifiting existence or something like that anyway, i'd love to hear what kind of emotions artists bring out in you all cheers, teardropb _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

on 4/23/01 12:13 AM, teardropb . at boygothic@hotmail.com wrote:

quoted 1 line anyway, i'd love to hear what kind of emotions artists bring out in you all

> anyway, i'd love to hear what kind of emotions artists bring out in you all

Each song I listen has a different feeling for me versus each band. Granted, each band definitely comes across differently to me, but I usually focus on individual songs, not necessarily how they make me feel but just what I get out of them in general: Cornish Acid/Aphex Twin-Some pimp daddy taking a stroll down New York checking on his bitches. Fingerbib/Aphex Twin-Sailing on an old ship with the wind blowing in my face. Teartear/Autechre-Solitude, Strength Lowride/Autechre-Rolling with my homies with our white ass gangster style clothes in a nice lowriding Cadillac, no kidding. Vletrmx21/Autechre-Heaven Borax/SpeedyJ-Power Anyway, the list goes on. Peter "Pachinko" Ý - http://www.mp3.com/pachinko - --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

just cause you dont like music doesnt mean it's shit. if confield is in anyway similar to LP5 (i havent heard it yet but this is what ive heard) it's something im very much looking forward to it. if it turns out that i dont like it after quite a number of listens, i wont fault the music.. because im not an idiot like some people around here who criticise musical genius like that of autechre purely because it doesnt coincide with their own personal taste or idea of what direction the duo should follow. i will be disappointed however that my appreciation of their work (of this kind) is limited to ep5. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 1 line if confield is in anyway similar to LP5

>if confield is in anyway similar to LP5

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I have an interview track floating around, in which Sean and Rob themselves pronounce it "aw-TEK-er". m@2zo www.thechisa.com "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of the shadow of death!'" -- Mr. T On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Lander wrote:

quoted 23 lines So what's wrong with me? I downloaded confield and I actually liked it!

> So what's wrong with me? I downloaded confield and I actually liked it! > A lot. My favorite autechre so far. I'll buy it. > > Ummm... btw, this has been bugging the hell out of me: how do you > pronounce the word "autechre"? You see, I'm the only one I know who likes > this crap, and I've never actually heard anyone say it. Is it OH-tek-er? > awe-TEK-ra? oat-ECK-ree? French? Please help. I must know the words to > spread the joy. > > Zzb > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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You are correct, that is how Sean and Rob pronounce Autechre. However, they have said many times that they don't give a damn how someone else might pronounce it. It is F#$*&king amazing how many times this question comes up. --- The Chisa <matt@holland.deathhouse.net> wrote:

quoted 9 lines I have an interview track floating around, in which

> > I have an interview track floating around, in which > Sean and Rob > themselves pronounce it "aw-TEK-er". > > > m@2zo > www.thechisa.com >

quoted 40 lines "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk

> "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk > through the valley of > the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, > let's go shoppin' in > the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a > condo in the valley of > the shadow of death!'" > > -- Mr. T > > > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Lander wrote: > > > So what's wrong with me? I downloaded confield > and I actually liked it! > > A lot. My favorite autechre so far. I'll buy it. > > > > Ummm... btw, this has been bugging the hell out of > me: how do you > > pronounce the word "autechre"? You see, I'm the > only one I know who likes > > this crap, and I've never actually heard anyone > say it. Is it OH-tek-er? > > awe-TEK-ra? oat-ECK-ree? French? Please help. > I must know the words to > > spread the joy. > > > > Zzb > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > >

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so often in fact, it was and may still be in the warprecords.com FAQ section. On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Justin Lovero wrote:

quoted 84 lines You are correct, that is how Sean and Rob pronounce

> You are correct, that is how Sean and Rob pronounce > Autechre. However, they have said many times that > they don't give a damn how someone else might > pronounce it. It is F#$*&king amazing how many times > this question comes up. > > > --- The Chisa <matt@holland.deathhouse.net> wrote: > > > > I have an interview track floating around, in which > > Sean and Rob > > themselves pronounce it "aw-TEK-er". > > > > > > m@2zo > > www.thechisa.com > > > > > "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk > > through the valley of > > the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, > > let's go shoppin' in > > the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a > > condo in the valley of > > the shadow of death!'" > > > > -- Mr. T > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Lander wrote: > > > > > So what's wrong with me? I downloaded confield > > and I actually liked it! > > > A lot. My favorite autechre so far. I'll buy it. > > > > > > Ummm... btw, this has been bugging the hell out of > > me: how do you > > > pronounce the word "autechre"? You see, I'm the > > only one I know who likes > > > this crap, and I've never actually heard anyone > > say it. Is it OH-tek-er? > > > awe-TEK-ra? oat-ECK-ree? French? Please help. > > I must know the words to > > > spread the joy. > > > > > > Zzb > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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on 4/24/01 9:42 AM, Lander at gamera_@yahoo.com wrote:

quoted 3 lines So what's wrong with me? I downloaded confield and I actually liked it!

> So what's wrong with me? I downloaded confield and I actually liked it! > A lot. My favorite autechre so far. I'll buy it. >

there is nothing wrong with liking this album, enjoy it as much as you'd like.

quoted 6 lines Ummm... btw, this has been bugging the hell out of me: how do you

> Ummm... btw, this has been bugging the hell out of me: how do you > pronounce the word "autechre"? You see, I'm the only one I know who likes > this crap, and I've never actually heard anyone say it. Is it OH-tek-er? > awe-TEK-ra? oat-ECK-ree? French? Please help. I must know the words to > spread the joy. >

I have been told two different ways, ah-tek-er and ah-te-kre, so I don't know either and would like to know. Sean? Rob? Anyone?

quoted 1 line Zzb

> Zzb

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quoted 3 lines just cause you dont like music doesnt mean it's shit. if confield is in

>just cause you dont like music doesnt mean it's shit. if confield is in >anyway similar to LP5 (i havent heard it yet but this is what ive heard) >it's something im very much looking forward to it. (snip)

(snip)

quoted 4 lines i will

>i will >be disappointed however that my appreciation of their work (of this kind) >is >limited to ep5.

Listen man, this is a freekin discusion list, if we all shutup and dont voice our opinions , then this list would not be half as interesting as it is. i dont mean to sound rude, every one has an opinion and i certainly respect your's, but it just strikes me odd that you wish to beat down on ppl who disagree with you rather than just ignore and delete the post. i disagree with some of the things you say, but you havnt seen me slagging off ppl who like confield.. anyway, im really sorry if this post sounds rude, it is not ment to be _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

teardrop, don't feel bad because if you didn't say it, I would have. The thing I am getting tired of is that I put in a posta couple days ago about respecting ppl's opinions. No one in this list (who doesn't like Confield) has defamed anyone's character that I can recall. If they have, it is such a small percentage that I must have missed it. On the other hand, how do we know that all of those who do like Confield aren't blindly following (Sean and Rob, forgive me if this is offensive) whatever Sean and Rob do, as if they were following some blind religious faith. Sean and Rob are, in my opinion, the greatest IDM artist around, they have done everything imaginable, and I look forward to them doing more. But that doesn't mean I can't go around saying I don't like this song, or this album, or even saying, "what the hell were they thinking?". That is a sing of self initiated thought, that I can actually disagree with something that violates my core values. If ppl say things like this, it doesn't mean that they disrespect the band, it is just how they feel about that particular work. Those of you who love it should continue loving it, those of us who don't particularily care for it, well..., maybe we will get lucky and find something meaningful in it. But that doesn't make any of us who don't like it "less trained" as a listener than those who do. Consider, that maybe you have a "less trained" ear for deciphering crap from genius(forgive me again Sean and Rob), that you once heard something good and assume that from now on it is all good because that is what we were "told" to think. Anyway, I just see ppl on this list blasting each other on ego trips, I see respectable people like John Balance getting ridiculed only cause some punk didn't get it, I see that there is a lot of angst on this list, and I am starting to question it all. I joined this list to freely discuss the music, the making, the shows, not to see good people who work hard at what they do get pinned down by someone's ego maniac ideas. This list is a free discussion room, why can't ppl dislike Confield, or Autechre, or BoC, Arovane, Aphex Twin, Nintari, Teardrop, Eggytoast, Me, you, who cares! Just read it and go on. PS I respect John Balance because through all that was said about him, not once did I see him post up another message using his "fame" to his advantage, he let it go and I think I can learn a lot from him. Thank you John. on 4/24/01 8:25 AM, teardropb . at boygothic@hotmail.com wrote:

quoted 22 lines just cause you dont like music doesnt mean it's shit. if confield is in

>> just cause you dont like music doesnt mean it's shit. if confield is in >> anyway similar to LP5 (i havent heard it yet but this is what ive heard) >> it's something im very much looking forward to it. (snip) > > (snip) >> i will >> be disappointed however that my appreciation of their work (of this kind) >> is >> limited to ep5. > > Listen man, this is a freekin discusion list, if we all shutup and dont > voice our opinions , then this list would not be half as interesting as it > is. > > i dont mean to sound rude, every one has an opinion and i certainly respect > your's, but it just strikes me odd that you wish to beat down on ppl who > disagree with you rather than just ignore and delete the post. > > i disagree with some of the things you say, but you havnt seen me slagging > off ppl who like confield.. > > anyway, im really sorry if this post sounds rude, it is not ment to be

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on the subject of the purpose of this discussion list i couldnt aggree more - i mostly just read the posts and give few replies (as i dont know a whole lot about idm and this is a good source of info on said). but after reading so many posts on the subject, i could have summarised the whole anti argument to "i think the new album is shit, i demand satisfaction". on the other hand a few posts criticising the album actually merited their length and were completely valid points. and id imagine thats the reason this and other discussion lists were/are created. ive never really had reason to do so before. no insult was intended but i felt it was just going on a bit too long. sorry about the idiots comment,i call lots of people lots of things without actually meaning it. anyway i am ranting, so thats that. you are right, this list is interesting. again no insult intended. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org