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From: Peter Schrock <pachinko74@mac.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:22:59 -0800
To: Peter Schrock <pachinko74@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [idm] No hard feelings
Josh,
i just wanted to reply to my own statement to say that i am not trying to
slam you in anyway, I am just trying to point out that I think every music
has it's place. Why would someone want to go see Mudvayne vs. John Tesh,
both conventional music, but both totally different genre's within
themselves. I personally am not thrilled by either of these artists, but
what they bring to this world appeals to someone for some reason. Good for
them on that note. If people don't like the show presented, then don't go,
but ask yourself why you are going to see the band. Are you going to be
visually entertained?, because if you are, maybe you should go see a movie
or something that is geared to visiual (as you said it) "hollywood" effects.
Slipknot is a good example of this to me, if it wasn't for their costumes
(in my opinion), they would be nothing. Some artists want to be recognized
for being themselves, if people don't like it, don't watch. I personally
have a thing for artists who will be themselves onstage, whether it is in
costume or not.
No hard feelings I hope
Peter "Pachinko"
on 4/9/01 11:44 PM, Peter Schrock at pachinko74@mac.com wrote:
quoted 75 lines Josh, why do you even listen to IDM if you are so willing to rip any
> Josh, why do you even listen to IDM if you are so willing to rip any
> credibility it has?
>
> on 4/9/01 12:14 PM, Josh Bown at josh@undertone.com wrote:
>
>> Yes, there will be more and more experimentation into new forms of music
>> using synths....
>>
>> There will also be more and more experimentation using traditional
>> instruments...
>>
>> If you were able to go 1000 years into the future, I would be willing to
>> be that people will still be playing traditional instruments....
>>
> As true as this is, it has no wait on what you are about to say in the
> following.
>
>> also, I can make sounds come out of an acoustic guitar that I can't get
>> out of any synth....
>>
> As there are sounds you can get out of a synth not found in a guitar.
>
>> People, especially the listening audience, will always want to hear
>> finger squeaks, pick scratches, breath noizes, and other random and
>> chaotic sounds that add to the reality and emotionality of music made
>> with real/traditional instruments....
>>
>> the novelty of psychedelic sci-fi noises coming out of computers is
>> wearing off, and music that has that as it's sole or primary voice will
>> remain obscure and as a gimmick.
>>
> Uhmmmm! Who was voted artist of the year in Spin magazine, and pretty much
> over all? And you think it all came from influences outside of psychedelic
> sci-fi. I do recall Thome Yorke stating that one of his top 5 favorite
> albums to listen to was Autechre's Ep5.
> Everyone is influenced by all kinds of music. Don't steal the credibility
> of where it is deserved.
>
>> Music that is based on skilled performance of real instruments,
>> augmented by various synthetic spice will be what the future of music
>> has to offer...
>>
> uhm, look at what was produced out of the late 70's, 80's synth pop, where
> is this proven true. After Zepplin, AC/DC, The Doors, people started to
> get into synth pop, tell me what was so "skilled" about the 80's. The guys
> before them, in my opinion where better skilled than what started to come
> after them.
>
>> Musical skill will always be the product of practice and dedication.
>> Sound Design is not music... it's hollywod special effects....
>>
> it's not the design, it's how you use what you have designed.
>
>> music is composition and performance... and if you have a good
>> composition, it will sound good when performed by a good performer no
>> matter what instrument they use.
>>
> So how does this support your arguement, if anything, you just contradicted
> yourself.
>
>> If it is sequenced and relies on quantization, then it will sound boring
>> to most people and would make a terrible live show...
>>
>> Again... this is all my opinion.....
>
> now you just refutted your last statement. You need to listen to your
> music a little more closely.
>
> Peter "Pachinko"
>
>
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