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2001-02-23 23:15[idm] tortoise standards
2001-03-06 17:45[idm] tortoise standards
└─ 2001-03-06 21:17Nintari Man Re: [idm] tortoise standards
2001-03-06 20:43Re: [idm] tortoise standards
2001-03-06 21:12César Laia Re: [idm] tortoise standards
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2001-03-06 21:22Re: [idm] tortoise standards
2001-03-06 21:37César Laia Re: [idm] tortoise standards
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└─ 2001-03-07 20:59ingrassia/colovini [idm] tangerine dream (was: tortoise standards)
└─ 2001-03-08 12:17Mark Stevens Re: [idm] tangerine dream (was: tortoise standards)
2001-03-07 20:58carlos Re: [idm] tortoise standards
└─ 2001-03-08 21:36R. Lim Re: [idm] the rootz of tortoise
2001-03-07 21:01Gause, Brian RE: [idm] tortoise standards
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2001-02-23 23:15JShupester@aol.comanyone know if the vinyl is the same as the cd of this? ----------------------------------
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anyone know if the vinyl is the same as the cd of this? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-06 17:45JShupester@aol.comhow's the new album? honestly. millions now living i love. tnt--a subtle killer. the firts
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how's the new album? honestly. millions now living i love. tnt--a subtle killer. the firtst one-i haven't heard. tbinking of buyting the first and latest in one go. should i? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-06 21:17Nintari ManDon't buy it if you're not interested in being disappointed. In comparison to Millions Now
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Don't buy it if you're not interested in being disappointed. In comparison to Millions Now Living... and TNT, it's not so great. Granted, there are a few hot tracks on it, but the majority of it is rather uninteresting, IMHO. It's been a long while since TNT, and it appears that they really haven't made much progress, musically. ... The last thing I've heard from any of the Tortoisers which I really liked was the 'Reach The Rock' soundtrack, which was done primarily by JM, and is just wonderful. On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 JShupester@aol.com wrote:
quoted 17 lines Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:45:51 EST> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:45:51 EST > From: JShupester@aol.com > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] tortoise standards > > how's the new album? > honestly. > millions now living i love. > tnt--a subtle killer. > the firtst one-i haven't heard. > tbinking of buyting the first and latest in one go. > should i? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-03-06 20:43andrei@world.std.comJShupester@AOL.COM wrote: > how's the new album? > honestly. > millions now living i love.
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JShupester@AOL.COM wrote:
quoted 7 lines how's the new album?> how's the new album? > honestly. > millions now living i love. > tnt--a subtle killer. > the firtst one-i haven't heard. > tbinking of buyting the first and latest in one go. > should i?
I'd say "Standards" is their least indie-rock / most prog sounding album so far, though I have to say I'm not familiar with "TNT" much at all, though I have the other ones. Sometimes (tracks 3, 6 & 7) it sounds embarrassingly close to "Abacab"-era Genesis imo. The record's got a very 70's vibe. There's also lots of synths and drum processing as well as the usual odd time signatures. Despite some of my criticisms (!?) I've listened to it quite a few times since it came out, which I guess means I like it. Actually it's a very nice listen. As far as the first Tortoise album, if you enjoy "Millions...) you'll probably like the first one. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-06 21:12César LaiaYes, I think you should buy both. But for me "Standards" it's disappointing. There are goo
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Yes, I think you should buy both. But for me "Standards" it's disappointing. There are good ideas, but the final result fails because of a "punk-like" attitude that does not fit well with the type of music they do. The first album is, therefore, much better. But remember, tortoise is always tortoise, they don't know how to make bad albums :) Cesar ----- Original Message ----- From: <JShupester@aol.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: [idm] tortoise standards
quoted 12 lines how's the new album?> how's the new album? > honestly. > millions now living i love. > tnt--a subtle killer. > the firtst one-i haven't heard. > tbinking of buyting the first and latest in one go. > should i? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-03-06 23:45Lee Azzarelloon 3/6/01 1:12 PM, César Laia at cesar.laia@netvisao.pt wrote: > There are good ideas, but
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on 3/6/01 1:12 PM, César Laia at cesar.laia@netvisao.pt wrote:
quoted 2 lines There are good ideas, but the final result fails because of a "punk-like"> There are good ideas, but the final result fails because of a "punk-like" > attitude that does not fit well with the type of music they do.
Dude, that was the least punk thing I've heard in a while. You should be ashamed of yourself, now go back to the new age music...pbhhhhhhhhhh! -------------------- -l[e^2] *new { ^this.shouldNotImplement(thisMethod) } --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-06 21:22MilkAlive@aol.comIn a message dated 3/6/01 1:12:32 PM, cesar.laia@netvisao.pt writes: << There are good ide
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In a message dated 3/6/01 1:12:32 PM, cesar.laia@netvisao.pt writes: << There are good ideas, but the final result fails because of a "punk-like" attitude that does not fit well with the type of music they do >> I think it's the "punk-like" attitude that saves them from being jazz-lite music for yr dining pleasure... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-06 21:37César Laia> haven't made much progress, musically. ... The last thing I've heard from > any of the T
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quoted 4 lines haven't made much progress, musically. ... The last thing I've heard from> haven't made much progress, musically. ... The last thing I've heard from > any of the Tortoisers which I really liked was the 'Reach The Rock' > soundtrack, which was done primarily by JM, and is just wonderful. >
Don't forget the release of Tortoise with The Ex from the In The Fishtank releases. Is also very good, and in there I think the punk side really was in touch with their compositions. But in "Standards" something was missed, it is only a good album while "Millions now..." and "TNT" were masterpieces... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-07 00:18César Laia> Dude, that was the least punk thing I've heard in a while. You should be > ashamed of yo
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quoted 2 lines Dude, that was the least punk thing I've heard in a while. You should be> Dude, that was the least punk thing I've heard in a while. You should be > ashamed of yourself, now go back to the new age music...pbhhhhhhhhhh!
It was not me that said "Standards" is Punk. It was one of the Tortoise guys ;) At least I read that in a interview, so I think is common knowledge. Concerning New Age, perhaps I will listen Tangerine Dream's "Rubykon" or Steve Roach's "The Magnificent Void", which are much better than "Standards" :D --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-07 20:31JShupester@aol.comwell, i did ask about tortoise. but hey, concerning tangerine dream.... i know little of t
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well, i did ask about tortoise. but hey, concerning tangerine dream.... i know little of them except some soundtracks(pretty lame for the most part) some assorted tracks on virgin ambient comps(neat) and i have stratsophere on vinyl which has cool sounds but cheesy, trance-like arrangements. (this album does contain a bit that dj shadow used on "entroducing", albeit pitched way down). so, what is good by tangerine dream because i always wanted to check them out but have been scared of crap. any ideas? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-07 20:59ingrassia/colovinithese lps are, imho, really great tangerine dream albums: electronic meditation zeit alpha
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these lps are, imho, really great tangerine dream albums: electronic meditation zeit alpha centauri phaedra avoid anything after phaedra. cheers, f.
quoted 27 lines -----Mensaje original-----> -----Mensaje original----- > De: JShupester@aol.com [mailto:JShupester@aol.com] > Enviado el: Miercoles, 07 de Marzo de 2001 05:32 p.m. > Para: cesar.laia@netvisao.pt > CC: idm@hyperreal.org > Asunto: Re: [idm] tortoise standards > > > well, > i did ask about tortoise. > but hey, concerning tangerine dream.... > i know little of them except some soundtracks(pretty lame for the > most part) > some assorted tracks on virgin ambient comps(neat) > and i have stratsophere on vinyl which has cool sounds but cheesy, > trance-like arrangements. (this album does contain a bit that dj > shadow used > on "entroducing", albeit pitched way down). > so, what is good by tangerine dream because i always wanted to > check them out > but have been scared of crap. > any ideas? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-03-08 12:17Mark StevensHere's a reply to the message "[idm] tangerine dream (was: tortoise standards)" written on
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quoted 4 lines electronic meditation>electronic meditation >zeit >alpha centauri >phaedra
Yep, agree with all of those.
quoted 1 line avoid anything after phaedra.>avoid anything after phaedra.
Oh, I dunno... I always thought Rubycon was pretty much Phaedra's equal (gotta love those Mellotron sounds). For some reason I get a big kick out of Exit too. My quality cut-off point is Live Miles. Everything post-Chris Franke stinks to high heaven (all those Korg presets and overblown sax/guitar solos just make me go cold). Except perhaps some of the retro releases, like Soundmill Navigator. -- Mark Stevens http://www.headspin.clara.net/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-07 20:58carlosElectronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, Zeit, Atem. All from 1970 to 1973. My personal favo
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Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, Zeit, Atem. All from 1970 to 1973. My personal favorites are Zeit and Atem. And hey, Stratosfear is from 1976- calling the arrangements cheesy and trance-like is a bit rough. Cut them some slack, that was 25 years ago. JShupester@aol.com wrote:
quoted 1 line so, what is good by tangerine dream because i always wanted to check them> so, what is good by tangerine dream because i always wanted to check them
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quoted 2 lines but have been scared of crap.> but have been scared of crap. > any ideas?
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2001-03-08 21:36R. LimOn 7 Mar 2001, carlos wrote: > Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, Zeit, Atem. All from
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On 7 Mar 2001, carlos wrote:
quoted 1 line Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, Zeit, Atem. All from 1970 to 1973. My> Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, Zeit, Atem. All from 1970 to 1973. My
I agree with these recommendations, though with the caveat that Electronic Meditation is more freakout than ambient. Other contemporaneous synth chill out classics include Klaus Schulze (early-mid '70s), Manuel Gottsching/Ash Ra (although the first six Ash Ra Tempel records are awesome, the most relevant start with Inventions for Electric Guitar) & Popol Vuh's first album, Affenstunde (a pure electronic album- the synth was eventually donated to Schulze). Actually, there's also a great bootleg Popol Vuh 7" in a similar style (live @ Beat Club, I think), but I would feel bad mentioning it (oops). -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-07 21:01Gause, BrianI wholeheartedly recommend the soundtrack to "Risky Business". It's hard to find (import o
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I wholeheartedly recommend the soundtrack to "Risky Business". It's hard to find (import only?) and it's got a lot of other crap on it...but the 4 or 5 tracks from T-Dream are awesome. "Love on a Real Train" was a big inspiration for Global Communication's 76:14, in fact. Beautiful. Right up there with their best stuff ever, I'd say. ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 882-1980 x203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: carlos [mailto:angbase@usa.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 12:59 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] tortoise standards Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, Zeit, Atem. All from 1970 to 1973. My personal favorites are Zeit and Atem. And hey, Stratosfear is from 1976- calling the arrangements cheesy and trance-like is a bit rough. Cut them some slack, that was 25 years ago. JShupester@aol.com wrote:
quoted 1 line so, what is good by tangerine dream because i always wanted to check them> so, what is good by tangerine dream because i always wanted to check them
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quoted 2 lines but have been scared of crap.> but have been scared of crap. > any ideas?
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2001-03-07 21:03JShupester@aol.comdidn't mean to be too harsh but i'm really not into some chord progressions. just makes me
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didn't mean to be too harsh but i'm really not into some chord progressions. just makes me feel mellowdramatic. especailly late at night with the window open trying to have a pleasant moment. i feel all natural wonders. you know?(see new age dribble) i do realise they are pioneers and am aware of their importance. that's why i want to check them out. do you know if that box set is good? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-07 21:11AndreiOn Wed, 7 Mar 2001 JShupester@aol.com wrote: > didn't mean to be too harsh but i'm really
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On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 JShupester@aol.com wrote:
quoted 2 lines didn't mean to be too harsh but i'm really not into some chord progressions.> didn't mean to be too harsh but i'm really not into some chord progressions. > just makes me feel mellowdramatic.
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2001-03-07 21:05JShupester@aol.comhey, you're right. that scene does have good music. (the lame stuff i was thinking of was
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hey, you're right. that scene does have good music. (the lame stuff i was thinking of was 3 o clcok high). i'll look for it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-07 21:07César LaiaThe Future Sound of London are followers of Tangerine Dream, eg. They were pioners in the
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The Future Sound of London are followers of Tangerine Dream, eg. They were pioners in the electronic music along with Kraftwerk in the seventies. However most of their music is crap after the eighties. Myself I have only one album, "Rubycon" from 1974, I think. During this period perhaps they were more krautrock than New Age (well, in the 70s New Age didn't exist at all). ----- Original Message ----- From: <JShupester@aol.com> To: <cesar.laia@netvisao.pt> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [idm] tortoise standards
quoted 4 lines well,> well, > i did ask about tortoise. > but hey, concerning tangerine dream.... > i know little of them except some soundtracks(pretty lame for the most
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quoted 3 lines some assorted tracks on virgin ambient comps(neat)> some assorted tracks on virgin ambient comps(neat) > and i have stratsophere on vinyl which has cool sounds but cheesy, > trance-like arrangements. (this album does contain a bit that dj shadow
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quoted 2 lines on "entroducing", albeit pitched way down).> on "entroducing", albeit pitched way down). > so, what is good by tangerine dream because i always wanted to check them
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2001-03-08 14:48thomas m weibrechtOn Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:31:58 EST JShupester@aol.com writes: > well, > i did ask about torto
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On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:31:58 EST JShupester@aol.com writes:
quoted 5 lines well,> well, > i did ask about tortoise. > but hey, concerning tangerine dream.... > i know little of them except some soundtracks(pretty lame for the > most part)
they have done some lame sdtrks, but.... thief flashpoint legend risky business firestarter destination berlin maedchen auf der treppe oasis streethawk miracle mile are, to name but a few, pretty compelling, imo... also, you asked: do you know if that box set is good? which one? i-box? dream roots collection? pink years? blue years? tangents? id get the last if you can find it... tom w np: king tubby's lost treasures ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org