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RE: [idm] macrovision is your friend <BEWARE: RANTING>

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2001-03-05 21:21Gause, Brian RE: [idm] macrovision is your friend <BEWARE: RANTING>
└─ 2001-03-06 18:48Medium Graham RE: [idm] macrovision is your friend <BEWARE: RANTING>
└─ 2001-03-06 19:17Adesh Deosaran [idm] LFO vs Depeche Mode
├─ 2001-03-06 19:56Greg Clow Re: [idm] LFO vs Depeche Mode
└─ 2001-03-07 23:17|se!q [is!| bias] Re: [idm] LFO vs Depeche Mode
2001-03-05 21:39arg Re: [idm] macrovision is your friend <BEWARE: RANTING>
2001-03-06 03:48Jacob Arnold RE: [idm] macrovision is your friend <BEWARE: RANTING>
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2001-03-05 21:21Gause, BrianSee, this is just wrong. This stuff really bothers me because it's so obviously based on g
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See, this is just wrong. This stuff really bothers me because it's so obviously based on greed. They're not even trying to hide this in terms of intellectual property rights...flat-out greed. I accept their right to produce a CD however they wish. I do accept that...but why is this the choice they make? That's my concern here. from the article: "The proliferation of commercial-grade CD-recordables and inexpensive CD-R media has become a major concern to the music labels. We believe that Safeaudio provides an opportunity for the music industry to regain the billions of dollars lost to unauthorized casual copying. We are eager to start our beta trials and to get the technology into the hands of the music labels for evaluations," commented Macrovision president and COO Bill Krepick. So I buy a CD from my local record store and take it home...it's now mine and I've paid for the right to listen however I wish. Now, with this software, I can't copy it to my PC because someone ELSE might steal it and put it on napster and then the record company may lose money because that person won't buy it retail? How is the present situation any different than copying something from a tape 20 years ago...or from the radio...it's a wider forum now, sure, but conceptually it's the same thing. So you get your free copy from napster, a website or a friend (i.e. radio circa 1981) and you buy or don't buy based on that. Napster has changed my buying habits, but I still buy stuff I heard online that I wouldn't have purchased otherwise...so it works both ways. But no one cares about that, eh, because only the possible LOSS of money stands out in everyone's mind. But Napster is available to a wider audience, therefore it's evil because these people are "losing" possibly LARGER amounts of money. So something is only bad if it's bad for a LOT of people? Is that the message we're learning here? So much for things like objective thought and freedom. Problems like this only go away when people learn that life isn't about *maintaining* a certain income, but earning what you make and making what you earn. Why don't people understand this? Why are record companies exempt from this sort of morality? Aren't these people human, too? Don't they have better things to do than worry about whether their company makes $1.50 or $1.67 extra today? Money is important. I understand. But so is enjoying life. If your entire focus is on those 17 extra cents, that's a problem. ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 365-8203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: arg [mailto:chris@evilboots.com] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 12:49 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] macrovision is your friend for all you folks who now enjoy casually copying cds... http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?985 this isn't particularly idm related, but since idm comes in cd flavors, thought some of you might find this interesting reading... i hate these bastards (as the article mentions, these are the kind folks who made it impossible, um, well, almost impossible, to loop your dvd player through your vcr... naturally this is a real pain in the ass with some tvs, including mine...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-06 18:48Medium GrahamReply below...scroll down > -----Original Message----- > From: Gause, Brian [mailto:bgause
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quoted 21 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Gause, Brian [mailto:bgause@SECTORBASE.COM] > Sent: 05 March 2001 21:21 > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [idm] macrovision is your friend <BEWARE: RANTING> > > > Napster has changed my buying habits, but I still buy > stuff I heard > online that I wouldn't have purchased otherwise...so it works > both ways. But > no one cares about that, eh, because only the possible LOSS of > money stands > out in everyone's mind. > > But Napster is available to a wider audience, therefore it's evil because > these people are "losing" possibly LARGER amounts of money. So > something is > only bad if it's bad for a LOT of people? Is that the message > we're learning > here? So much for things like objective thought and freedom.
That's true. As another example, when I first heard that Fatcat's e-rmx series was online and available for free download I was very happy that I wouldn't have to shell out any of my cash for it. However I was so taken with the Lucky Kitchen track that I had to have it in my hands as a piece of vinyl; whether I could afford it or not...
quoted 13 lines Problems like this only go away when people learn that life isn't about> Problems like this only go away when people learn that life isn't about > *maintaining* a certain income, but earning what you make and making what > you earn. Why don't people understand this? Why are record > companies exempt > from this sort of morality? Aren't these people human, too? Don't > they have > better things to do than worry about whether their company makes $1.50 or > $1.67 extra today? > > Money is important. I understand. But so is enjoying life. If your entire > focus is on those 17 extra cents, that's a problem. > > ---brian
It's always bothered me how companies are not just obsessed with making money, but with making MORE money than they're already making; always trying to figure out ways to corner new areas of their potential market. Most of the multinational's are raking in the cash as it is, do they really need more? G-love. http://www.gram.org.uk _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-06 19:17Adesh DeosaranAnyone else hear the new depeche mode album featuring production work by mr bell from LFO?
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Anyone else hear the new depeche mode album featuring production work by mr bell from LFO? I've been listening to it over and over and trying to decide if I like it or not and I'm having a really hard time. Its definitely a good album and the sounds and production are great but, it seems a bit soft to me. Theres a lot of idm reference points there and that makes it rather interesting so I'm assuming that the problem is probably in the song writing. I'll more than likely change my mind about this in a week as I always do with their albums. One good thing about having bell on production is that there is a possibility of some good remix collaborations, maybe dm vs. kit clayton or something like that (kind of like the speedy j mix from the last album). <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Adesh Deosaran 8< CutFaster http://www.activaire.com/recordcamp send an email to rcamp@activaire.com to get on the recordcamp mailing list<<stay informed! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-06 19:56Greg ClowAt 02:17 PM 3/6/01, Adesh Deosaran wrote: >One good thing about having bell on production
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At 02:17 PM 3/6/01, Adesh Deosaran wrote:
quoted 3 lines One good thing about having bell on production is that there is a>One good thing about having bell on production is that there is a >possibility of some good remix collaborations, maybe dm vs. kit clayton or >something like that (kind of like the speedy j mix from the last album).
There are supposedly three promo 10"s of the first single from the new Depeche Mode album doing the rounds right now, one of which includes a Kid606 remix. Could be a rumour, but that's what I heard. Greg -- Greg Clow - greg@stainedproductions.com - greg@feedbackmonitor.com concert & event promotions - http://www.stainedproductions.com electronic music radio/reviews/interviews - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor - Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 - Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-07 23:17|se!q [is!| bias]On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Adesh Deosaran wrote: > Theres a lot of idm reference points there and
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On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Adesh Deosaran wrote:
quoted 1 line Theres a lot of idm reference points there and that makes it rather> Theres a lot of idm reference points there and that makes it rather
that's correct. i really enjoy the album, i is a great stepover after the last few ones which were also brilliant masterpieces.
quoted 3 lines One good thing about having bell on production is that there is a> One good thing about having bell on production is that there is a > possibility of some good remix collaborations, maybe dm vs. kit clayton or > something like that (kind of like the speedy j mix from the last album).
check out for the remixes of the first single 'dream on' on april 24th from bushwacka, dave clark, kid 606, octagon man and someone called bertrand burgalat (remixing the instrumental song easy tiger). see attachment for details. bias. a.voda.malaca.[70].222.3540.......hs7.rmx.contest.bah.chk.bogdan.rmx.site. af!s xwJ uep6oq IIo6 - da peolf!ys:se!q:ssaJ6oJd u! - xxns fsafuo> xwJ Lsy
2001-03-05 21:39argkeen reading, wasn't it? suppose that you're not suppose to be able to encode your cds to
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keen reading, wasn't it? suppose that you're not suppose to be able to encode your cds to mp3s either, even if you've off and bought yourself a nice little mp3s portable and have no intention of trading... oh... i have to plug this site... emusic.com. love those guys... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-06 03:48Jacob ArnoldIt's also wrong because making copies of a CD for personal use is protected under the fair
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It's also wrong because making copies of a CD for personal use is protected under the fair use provision of US copyright law. It's very anti-consumer of CD and DVD makers to control how we play the media we bought. Writing to your reps in protest of the DMCA might help. I'd be surprised if we could educate enough of the masses for an effective boycott, but maybe the recording/movie industry will dig its own hole. People are bound to draw the line somewhere... That's enough off-topic ranting for now. I got a new Schematic T-shirt from PJ today. It's nice. Jacob ------ Original Message ------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:21:04 -0800 To: idm@hyperreal.org From: "Gause, Brian" <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM> Subject: RE: [idm] macrovision is your friend <BEWARE: RANTING> Message-ID: <8F4C99C66D04D4118F580090272A7A23556AB6@sectorbase1.sectorbase.com> See, this is just wrong. This stuff really bothers me because it's so obviously based on greed. They're not even trying to hide this in terms of intellectual property rights...flat-out greed. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org