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2001-02-21 23:59jon anderson [idm] the "idm" problem
2001-02-22 00:27Re: [idm] the "idm" problem
├─ 2001-02-22 02:54Christopher Morin Re: [idm] the "idm" problem
└─ 2001-02-23 08:52[invisie]neil Re: [idm] thee "idm" pobo
└─ 2001-02-22 22:27Josh James [idm] Kit Clayton remix of Yo La Tengo on Salon
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2001-02-21 23:59jon andersonI'm not sure we're really "stuck" with "idm". i rarely use the term. usually i say edm, fo
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I'm not sure we're really "stuck" with "idm". i rarely use the term. usually i say edm, for "electronic dance music". it sounds enough like "idm" that people i've never met before sometimes know exactly what i mean. but what i mean by edm includes things like "techno", and is more inclusive than what typically is meant by "idm". if i need to specify ae/afx styled (i.e., "typical" dance oriented idm) music, then i say it. ae/afx type music. if the person has never heard of ae/afx, then i'd rather explain what that means anyway. If i need to describe some other type of "idm", there are plenty of other adjectives in current use as well... glitchy, dancy, mechanical, droney, pretentious, etc. and if i'm talking about non-dance oriented edm, i say "armchair". i prefer being specific to using the ambiguous and arrogant term idm. the only term i never use (except in a derogatory sense) is "experimental". my friend matt mentioned a funny quote by Jim O'Rourke, something like, "i don't like it when people call me "experimental". it seems to suggest that i don't know what i'm doing!" seriously though, "experimental" now refers only to a style, not actual experimentation. language can be very powerful. you might think "it's just an acronym", but in fact, what you know it stands for might shape the way you think about it, and the way you treat others. in addition, it alienates (even offends) other groups of people. not to mention that it's just inaccurate! idm simply is not more intelligent than other types of dance music. i think it's naive to think "idm" is just a harmless word. it implies that other types of dance music are not intelligent, and from my experience, idmers often begin to think this way, without necessarily realizing it. in fact, i seem to remember a thread a long time ago, on this list, when a lot of people were arguing that in fact idm IS more intelligent than techno/hip hop/et al. i think this argument is deeply flawed, but don't want to get into it at all. (maybe search the archives if you're interested.) the ironic thing is that in some ways, idm itself is very simplistic and dumb. (in terms of traditional academic ideas of composition/music theory.) composers (not just avant/20th century/electronic composers) and other music cultures (i.e., non-western) have been developing ideas for centuries that few idm artists seem to be aware of. particularly when it comes to composition. edm has brought brilliant new ideas to the table, to be sure, but many artists seem to lack an awareness of some things... that makes the music kinda simple - which is OK. edm doesn't have to be "about" these things. it's more about contemporary culture, i think. it's something i often love about electronic dance music - it's not all tricky and smart and "universal". it's "pop music", and it's relevant. and most of the time, you can dance to it. or it has a sense of humor. or it's dope. or just sounds really cool. anyway, i don't care if they've started putting up "idm" signs in record shop bins. i don't like the name, so i don't use it. j __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-22 00:27Cichli@aol.comIDM is a silly name. we all know it. if describing autechre, aphex, boc....i say IDM. not
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IDM is a silly name. we all know it. if describing autechre, aphex, boc....i say IDM. not because they make "Intelligent Dance Music" but because they pioneered the genre. it formed around them, they didn't form around it. describing my own music on the other hand, i prefer the term "experimental electronic" because it is exactly what kind of music i make. i experiment with electronic equipment and music happens. songs are then formed from sounds. my stuff could be called IDM, but i personally think the term is not descriptive of my music. i think it would be very cool to pioneer this type of music. so if any of you want to start a "e.e" list, then i'll gladly be the next autechre :) :jason (e.e)
2001-02-22 02:54Christopher Morin>....could be called IDM, but i personally think the term is >not descriptive how about AD
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quoted 2 lines ....could be called IDM, but i personally think the term is>....could be called IDM, but i personally think the term is >not descriptive
how about ADM? atmospheric dance music? .c. /* christopher morin : chris@ambientairlines.com dj Curium ambient airlines 1388 haight street #228 san francisco, ca 94117 sf's first record store dedicated to ambient electronic and atmospheric dance music */ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-23 08:52[invisie]neilas far as my own works as of late. i have different styles. im kinda silli about what i wi
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as far as my own works as of late. i have different styles. im kinda silli about what i will sow others, and what i keep for myself. usualie the stuff people might like is what gets hidden awai.. anyways a terem i coined..[mai have occured before but i havent heard it] was: neo-cortexical the neo-c0rt3x *giggles* [leet nuff fur ya?] is the most recent part of the brain to form. in the nature of evolution it seems that we are given an over abundance. have it stripped awai. and then rebuild only what you need. kinda sounds like my life by this point.. except the whole rebuilding part. =p soo being the most recent addition to the human brain the neo-cortex is an upgrade on humanmind ver. 2.0 expanding it to maybie a 3.5 with a possibility for promotion.. yep..you guessed rite!. its a perfect metaphor for music. which started with an over abundance of beauty [classicla, symphonic] then over time it stripped away everything it had accomplished and took itself back to the bare minimum. so before 'idm' i must admit i had a great distaste for music. none of it except maybie pink floyd and miles davis reali seemed to stretch the boundries of what we could hear. then the genesis p. orridge and martin atkins dais came around. which was the start of something MOST curious.. and the little cheshire cat i am i dug rite into it. granted i missed the peek of genessis orridge...but i was too young then.,..i cannot be entirely blamed.. my parents didnt go out of their way to introduce me to expansive music =p suddenly now i wade through a sea of immitations and attempts to achieve an already reached state. but a few like autechre and mu-ziq,,,and of course aphex..have paved the way. so those who reach for the analog stardom, wont need to be where they're at alone. but either way music has evolved has philosophie. as everything else with the acception of physical art. tis one thing ive notice has not truly evolved even since the artifacts of neandertals. its alwais been exquisit. and at the same time terrificly abstract and lacking beauty wot so ever. but music and art have one thing in common. they dont have to be beautifull to be what they are. so i do agree that idm is quite generic. just because dance music is for : Pathetic Lazy Unintelligent Rejects [PLUR] does not mean that electronic that contains substance must fullfill the role of a contradictory stance. we arent dealing with opposites here. and what opposition does exist..and there is much. comes from all sides and angles rather than just one. [intelligent dance music] can we be so desperate to distance ourselves from the contaminated fall out of the rave surge of years now past..? i know ive succesfully seperated myself without needing a title to do it. and with my music ive seperated myself even more by doing what i could to create musix without such an obvious influence from my mentors. needless to say..im unimpressed with it cause they are better...heh..but thats which wai the cookie crumbles. so let music evolve without the labled restrictions that humans tend to create. i dun see the title of idm being replaced anytime soon..specialy with what the pop has alreadie caught wind of.. but as the higher layers of consciousness some of us have the unalienable freedom to change and distort what we see fit without concern for who will follow us. so for me,... it is the musical neo-cortex. the next progression in audio development. and im proud that its ruined my expectations for all other music. set the bar wai too high. but at least i dont 'settle' for poppy tunes anymore. wait..i never did. i denie kris-kross's 'i missed the bus' tour to the bitter end! neil www.invisie.net At 07:27 PM 2/21/01 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 14 lines IDM is a silly name. we all know it. if describing autechre, aphex,>IDM is a silly name. we all know it. if describing autechre, aphex, >boc....i say IDM. not because they make "Intelligent Dance Music" but >because they pioneered the genre. it formed around them, they didn't form >around it. > >describing my own music on the other hand, i prefer the term "experimental >electronic" because it is exactly what kind of music i make. i experiment >with electronic equipment and music happens. songs are then formed from >sounds. my stuff could be called IDM, but i personally think the term is >not descriptive of my music. i think it would be very cool to pioneer >this type of music. so if any of you want to start a "e.e" list, then i'll >gladly be the next autechre :) > > :jason (e.e)
2001-02-22 22:27Josh JamesWas just browsing through Salon and saw they have a free mp3 download of Kit Clayton remix
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Was just browsing through Salon and saw they have a free mp3 download of Kit Clayton remixing a Yo La Tengo song. I haven't heard it because I'm at work, but thought maybe some of you might be interested. http://www.salon.com/audio/2001/02/22/yo_la_tengo/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org