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2000-06-15 13:17K S [idm] 09 [schematic]?
2000-06-15 13:58Ross Balmer Re: [idm] 09 [schematic]?
└─ 2000-06-15 16:47Konstantin Minko RE: [idm] 09 [schematic]?
└─ 2000-06-15 18:28Adam Piontek RE: [idm] bright and happy vs. dull and angry
2000-06-15 20:44James R McPherson [idm] Max Tundra
├─ 2000-06-15 23:29Adam Piontek Re: [idm] Max Tundra latest (SBFYTOTB)
└─ 2000-06-15 23:39Adam Piontek [idm] Max Tundra on 'cataract beats'
2001-02-14 14:46Bill Wright [idm] Max Tundra
└─ 2001-02-14 14:58EggyToast Re: [idm] Max Tundra
2001-02-14 15:00Eddie Symons Re: [idm] Max Tundra
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2000-06-15 13:17K SOn Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:26:30 -0500, Adam Piontek wrote: >I agree. I haven't liked any Phoe
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:26:30 -0500, Adam Piontek wrote:
quoted 7 lines I agree. I haven't liked any Phoenecia previous to the material on>I agree. I haven't liked any Phoenecia previous to the material on >Lily of the Valley. Randa Roomet was ok, but it was indeed rather >dry. Everything else I've heard is garbage to my ears. In fact, >pretty much everything on the previous schematic compilation was >garbage to my ears. _Lily_ reaffirmed in my mind the potential of >Schematic... >-adam
Interesting, I thought I was the only one on this list that thought that Ischemic Folks was unlistenable (except track 02 by R. Devine). Mind you, I still give it a spin every now and again just because it *is* interesting. Now, Lily on the other hand is more to my liking (yes, I like Bola "Soup", and yes, I probably should break down and buy a stack of New Age music, fuck you very much). Which leads me to my question: has 09 released an album, EP or single? That 7 milliseconds track is amazing. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-06-15 13:58Ross BalmerMuch as I like Ischemic Folks when I'm in a certain mood, I don't think I would say "unlis
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Much as I like Ischemic Folks when I'm in a certain mood, I don't think I would say "unlistenable" is an unfair description. It's some of the most unapproachable music I have in my collection, and that includes stuff like Schoenberg, Ligeti and Stockhausen - hardly easy listening music. I was under the impression Ischemic Folks wasn't really widely enjoyed on the list, am I wrong? Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: K S <brazil808@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 2:17 PM Subject: [idm] 09 [schematic]?
quoted 11 lines On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:26:30 -0500, Adam Piontek wrote:> On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:26:30 -0500, Adam Piontek wrote: > >I agree. I haven't liked any Phoenecia previous to the material on > >Lily of the Valley. Randa Roomet was ok, but it was indeed rather > >dry. Everything else I've heard is garbage to my ears. In fact, > >pretty much everything on the previous schematic compilation was > >garbage to my ears. _Lily_ reaffirmed in my mind the potential of > >Schematic... > >-adam > > Interesting, I thought I was the only one on this list that thought that > Ischemic Folks was unlistenable (except track 02 by R. Devine). Mind you,
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quoted 3 lines still give it a spin every now and again just because it *is* interesting.> still give it a spin every now and again just because it *is* interesting. > Now, Lily on the other hand is more to my liking (yes, I like Bola "Soup", > and yes, I probably should break down and buy a stack of New Age music,
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quoted 10 lines you very much). Which leads me to my question: has 09 released an album,> you very much). Which leads me to my question: has 09 released an album, > EP or single? That 7 milliseconds track is amazing. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-06-15 16:47Konstantin MinkoWell, as most of the opinions go: Ishemic Folks is shit in comparison to Lily of the Valle
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Well, as most of the opinions go: Ishemic Folks is shit in comparison to Lily of the Valley. I have not heard lily and that is why I like Ishemic Folks. ;) It is indeed hard to conceive but not harder than most of the music I have. It is dull and uncomfortable (which I need sometimes from music - I'm not supportive of the idea that every music has to be bright and make you happy, some tracks need to make you feel sad or dull or angry...) but it strikes me that it was an original idea to make it in such way. The sleeve tells something about it somehow. I cannot say that it is the best stuff I have but I certainly do not regret having it. And by the way it was the only way to get some more Richard Devine tracks for his fan. 8) Alien
quoted 15 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Ross Balmer [mailto:ross@tui.co.uk] > > Much as I like Ischemic Folks when I'm in a certain mood, I don't think I > would say "unlistenable" is an unfair description. It's some of the most > unapproachable music I have in my collection, and that includes stuff like > Schoenberg, Ligeti and Stockhausen - hardly easy listening music. > > I was under the impression Ischemic Folks wasn't really widely enjoyed on > the list, am I wrong? > > Ross. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: K S <brazil808@hotmail.com>
quoted 24 lines On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:26:30 -0500, Adam Piontek wrote:> > > On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:26:30 -0500, Adam Piontek wrote: > > >I agree. I haven't liked any Phoenecia previous to the material on > > >Lily of the Valley. Randa Roomet was ok, but it was indeed rather > > >dry. Everything else I've heard is garbage to my ears. In fact, > > >pretty much everything on the previous schematic compilation was > > >garbage to my ears. _Lily_ reaffirmed in my mind the potential of > > >Schematic... > > >-adam > > > > Interesting, I thought I was the only one on this list that thought that > > Ischemic Folks was unlistenable (except track 02 by R. Devine). > Mind you, > I > > still give it a spin every now and again just because it *is* > interesting. > > Now, Lily on the other hand is more to my liking (yes, I like > Bola "Soup", > > and yes, I probably should break down and buy a stack of New Age music, > fuck > > you very much). Which leads me to my question: has 09 > released an album, > > EP or single? That 7 milliseconds track is amazing. >
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2000-06-15 18:28Adam PiontekActually, it's been my experience that a lot of IDM-ish stuff, especially recent favorites
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Actually, it's been my experience that a lot of IDM-ish stuff, especially recent favorites such as arovane, tends to fall under the categories of dull, wistful, meandering, or other moods that are definitely not "bright and happy." I think it's a problem, actually, an unhealthy obsession with making tracks that sound moody or pensive (perhaps because this sounds more "serious?"). I like a good "dull" or "angry" track as much as the next person, but I would make the claim that, at least in the underground scene of emerging, young artists, there is a notable lack of "bright and happy." The more developed artists with longer histories (Plaid, Aphex Twin, Freeform, Squarepusher, even Boards of Canada) show a mastery of multiple moods in their music. I will always appreciate variety and prefer it to a release on which all the tracks blend together in my memory. I think arovane is a good example of this. I have listend to both the "atol scrap" album and "tides," and while I found it to be quite pleasant, most of it has left little impression on my memory, partly because there's not much variety between tracks (you probably can tell I'm not a gigantic fan of minimalism). I own a lot of music, and there's no way I can listen to it all an equal amount of time. The stuff that gets the most play is the stuff that I remember later on, thinking to myself, "I just have to hear that again." If after a few listens, I later look at a CD and only remember a general mood from a bunch of tracks that have all blended together in my head, I'm probably not going to choose to listen to it again, and consequently that artist, over time, becomes less interesting to me. Now, I do really like the first three tracks on "tides," and track 6 is nice, but while I'm listening to the CD as a whole, the rest generally just goes into the background for me. I realize that this can be a purpose for an artist, to create quality background music (hence ambient), but I'm not a big fan of that. I spend my money to be engaged by music. If I want to not pay attention to something, there's plenty of free ambient noise right outside my window. I love SAWII, though. My point is just that, I wish there were a little more demand for inspired stuff like the Max Tundra's recent variety-filled album (Some Best Friend You Turned Out To Be), and less for autechre-ish "interesting-meandering-noises-but-now-i've-stopped-paying-attention-t o-it" stuff like arovane. Which is not to say that I think arovane is like autechre in style... Obviously I don't have to listen to something just because other people say it's good; I'm just making a case for more variety in moods. -Adam (sorry for the length) On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:47:56 +0300, Konstantin Minko wrote: [re: "Ischemic Strokes" from Schematic]
quoted 8 lines It is indeed hard to conceive but not harder than most of the music I have.>It is indeed hard to conceive but not harder than most of the music I have. >It is dull and uncomfortable (which I need sometimes from music - I'm not >supportive of the idea that every music has to be bright and make you happy, >some tracks need to make you feel sad or dull or angry...) but it strikes me >that it was an original idea to make it in such way. The sleeve tells >something about it somehow. I cannot say that it is the best stuff I have >but I certainly do not regret having it. And by the way it was the only way >to get some more Richard Devine tracks for his fan. 8)
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2000-06-15 20:44James R McPherson>My point is just that, I wish there were a >little more demand for inspired stuff like th
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quoted 3 lines My point is just that, I wish there were a>My point is just that, I wish there were a >little more demand for inspired stuff like the Max Tundra's recent >variety-filled album (Some Best Friend You Turned Out To Be)
I haven't heard much about this one - how is it? Sound anything like Accelera Deck/Chessie/other guitar-sampler bands? I heard that was the direction this album was taking ... J np: _Squadron_ (Merck) Join The Party @www.cpusa.org ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-06-15 23:29Adam PiontekOn Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:44:48 -0500, James R McPherson wrote: re: "Some Best Friend You Tur
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:44:48 -0500, James R McPherson wrote: re: "Some Best Friend You Turned Out To Be"
quoted 3 lines I haven't heard much about this one - how is it? Sound anything like>I haven't heard much about this one - how is it? Sound anything like >Accelera Deck/Chessie/other guitar-sampler bands? I heard that was the >direction this album was taking ...
I don't know anything about Chessie, but Tundra's recent efforts are totally unlike Accelera Deck as far as I've heard. The first track "Cakes" has some guitar, it also has strong flute, piano, horn, keyboard(?) and string samples. It's really an anthem, to my ears. It has everything and the kitchen sink Complex and simple, makes me want to wake up and conquer the world. Track 2 (Lamplite On A One Horse Shoe) is a lot simpler at first glance. It's built around a repeating little melody that gets twisted and accompanied and played with. Well done. Track 3 (Ah, There's Deek Now - Let's Ask Him) uses flat-out rhythmic guitar struming with wind-instrument samples over it (sounds like some sort of wood flutes to me). You start out thinking it isn't going to go anywhere, but then he makes it move. And it's not too long. Track 4 (Lausanne) uses some steel drum samples (sounds like it to me anyway) and kind of meanders around with a simple rhythm. It's nice, but a bit boring. Track 5 (Tuli, A Plain Ride From Canvas) is someone (maybe him) playing a nice song on a piano, and then it was filtered a bunch. Or maybe it was just recorded with low-quality equipment and nothing was done to it. Nothing except for a couple of moments where he interjects a couple of bits of noise. I love this track, easily my second favorite on the album next to Cakes, and so completely different from Cakes. It sounds like a really old recording of piano and makes me think of great dead people and what they might have done. Something like that. Track 6 (Bill Sholem Quintette) reminds me a lot of tortoise. Lovely tune, though. Can't think what else to say. Track 7 (Ink Me) is nice commuting music. Sounds like travel with friends. Low lo-fi drums with extensively filtered piano and some synth noises and strumming. I think. Anyway, maybe my 3rd or 4th favorite on the album. Track 8 (The Balaton) is a rapid tune that sort of floats around like clouds on speed. I like the percussion -- not to complex, gets the job done, fits the melody perfectly. Track 9 (Subsi Kuku) - I can't really describe this. It's nice, not too bad, but a little too close to boring for my tastes. Just kind of plays around with the same four or five notes and varies the percussion and effects. Then a bunch of stuff gets added that makes it much more interesting, but by then it's lost my attention. Track 10 (6161) starts out as a basic track constructed of some guitar strumming. Then he adds harpsichord, and then synths that sort of rush on into a slow chaos. I don't usually like this sort of thing but in this case I think he succeeded. Not too long, either. Track 11 (Carbon Cones) was a bad choice to end the album with, at least for me. It's nice, but it doesn't feel well-developed to me. Like if he spent some more time on it he could have made it more concise and ultimately much better. I mean, it's over twelve minutes long. The rest of the tracks are all under 5:10; half of them are under 3:30. I love the CD, but this last track just meanders off into nothingness and sort of ruins the experience for me. I generally skip it and 6161 give me a better "last impression" to end the flow with. I hope that's not too bad at a shabby attempt at a half-review. Overall, I think Max is beyond "experimenting" and has produced an excellent finished product that everyone should at least hear once. At least for "Cakes" and "Tuli"! Oh, and the "Cakes" single has two B-Sides. One is noise to me, but the other is very nice. So it's not bad for just sampling the best track on the album... -adam -- Adam Piontek [http://www.tcinternet.net/users/damek/] ICQ: 3456339 [damek@earthling.net] ... Remember, even if you win the rat race you're still a rat. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-06-15 23:39Adam PiontekFor those with any interest in Max Tundra, possibly curious about his recent album, I'd re
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For those with any interest in Max Tundra, possibly curious about his recent album, I'd recommend getting the Pitchcadet/aii compilation "Cataract Beats." shoddy packaging, but excellent content. Pitchcadet is shaping up to be a nice label. Anyway, Max has a track exclusive on that compilation called 'doggy biscuits' -- it well represents the average sound of the new album. The only problem is that the folks at aii (now joined with pitchcadet) didn't know when they produced the CD that he had submitted the track in 48khz. The mastered it on the CD at 44khz, so it sounds slower/lower than it should. But if you want, you can fix this by ripping it to a WAV and adjusting the rate in CoolEdit or some such. Changes it a little but not too much. aii used to have this info up on their web page, but it's gone now. IMO, it's good either way. The rest of that compilation is good, too. excellent tracks from datathief, commercial, m-tec, and more. "sega" from michael fakesch's "marion" album is on it, as is a track from funkstorung and one from v/vm. I'm not too hot on the vvm or funkstorung tracks, but "sega" is my favorite from Marion, so that's nice. -adam -- Adam Piontek [http://www.tcinternet.net/users/damek/] ICQ: 3456339 [damek@earthling.net] ... Profanity: The linguistic crutch of inarticulate bastards. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-14 14:46Bill WrightWOW! "Some Best Friend You Turned out to Be" is really great. Very refreshing. I have to a
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WOW! "Some Best Friend You Turned out to Be" is really great. Very refreshing. I have to admit I haven't heard any other stuff by him/her/them. Any other releases I should be on the lookout for? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-14 14:58EggyToastAt 09:46 AM 2/14/2001 -0500, you wrote: >WOW! "Some Best Friend You Turned out to Be" is r
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At 09:46 AM 2/14/2001 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 3 lines WOW! "Some Best Friend You Turned out to Be" is really great. Very>WOW! "Some Best Friend You Turned out to Be" is really great. Very >refreshing. I have to admit I haven't heard any other stuff by >him/her/them. Any other releases I should be on the lookout for?
I believe that the Children At Play release on Warp might be right up your alley as well. Max Tundra has been around for about two years or so, and I'm pretty sure all of his work is out under the name Max Tundra (whether that's his real name or not, I don't know). - - - - - Alice could not help her lips curing up into a smile as she began: "Do you know, I always thought Unicorns were fabulous monsters, too! I never saw one alive before!" "Well, now that we HAVE seen each other," said the Unicorn, "if you'll believe in me, I'll believe in you. Is that a bargain?" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-14 15:00Eddie SymonsHis first (i think) single on Warp - Children at Play, is excellent. Two 12minute tracks i
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His first (i think) single on Warp - Children at Play, is excellent. Two 12minute tracks in a torn up drum'n'bass kind of style. You can probably find samples on Warps website. Oh, and it's a him by the way. (Ben Jacobs, if I remember correctly) Eddie ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wright <bill@subtr.ac> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 2:46 PM Subject: [idm] Max Tundra
quoted 3 lines WOW! "Some Best Friend You Turned out to Be" is really great. Very> WOW! "Some Best Friend You Turned out to Be" is really great. Very > refreshing. I have to admit I haven't heard any other stuff by > him/her/them. Any other releases I should be on the lookout for?
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