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2001-01-25 22:41me makes you>At 01:43 PM 1/24/01, you wrote: >>Check out >>http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-46401/DARK/index

From:: me makes you <woolydogeater@hotmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:41:56 -0000
Subject:: Re: [idm] not funny, & artefacts

quoted 6 lines At 01:43 PM 1/24/01, you wrote:

>At 01:43 PM 1/24/01, you wrote: >>Check out >>http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-46401/DARK/index.html >> >>It's hilarious. >

i can honestly say, from the way my eyes started to droop, breathing became laboured, and drool started to form on the corners of my mouth(almost like sexual urges, hmmm), that i just lost an immeasurable amount of intelligence just reading what was on that list i feel dumb, and while ive never felt like the brightest chap, the realization of how stupid these kids are and yet the fact that they know how to work with html and im still here one-fingering the magic, that afformentioned shotgun may be brought to bear on myself please keep those "worst of the worst" links to off-list emails please, for the love of god if i wanted that kind of thing, i wouldnt need to look very hard im still reeling, ughh anyway, presently listening to the Artefacts compilation on Art-tek label, and am wondering how difficult it would be for someone to keep up with the modern "electronic" music progression from "putting the morr.." to the n5MD MD1, to this comp, im beginning to feel submerged, over my head, out of my purchasing power league, its all so fucking good, but when is enough enough anyone else having a similar realization dawn on them?? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-01-25 23:02Gause, BrianThis is an interesting thought that occurred to me over the weekend. I don't usually post

From:: Gause, Brian <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:02:50 -0800
Subject:: RE: [idm] not funny, & artefacts

This is an interesting thought that occurred to me over the weekend. I don't usually post on weekends, though so it never saw the light of day. I already have more music than I can listen to...and more and more is arriving every hour. I have good stuff (like this aretefacts comp) sitting on my cd player, ready for a dedicated listen, but when I get in the mood, I wanna hear that new Aurora comp again or maybe that new BB King disc I picked up last week or this or that or whatever...who has time for everything, even every GOOD thing, anymore? Is this a result of being involved in the same scene for too long or is this just the nature of THIS scene?? Any thoughts on this? ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 365-8203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: me makes you [mailto:woolydogeater@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 2:42 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] not funny, & artefacts

quoted 6 lines At 01:43 PM 1/24/01, you wrote:

>At 01:43 PM 1/24/01, you wrote: >>Check out >>http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-46401/DARK/index.html >> >>It's hilarious. >

i can honestly say, from the way my eyes started to droop, breathing became laboured, and drool started to form on the corners of my mouth(almost like sexual urges, hmmm), that i just lost an immeasurable amount of intelligence just reading what was on that list i feel dumb, and while ive never felt like the brightest chap, the realization of how stupid these kids are and yet the fact that they know how to work with html and im still here one-fingering the magic, that afformentioned shotgun may be brought to bear on myself please keep those "worst of the worst" links to off-list emails please, for the love of god if i wanted that kind of thing, i wouldnt need to look very hard im still reeling, ughh anyway, presently listening to the Artefacts compilation on Art-tek label, and am wondering how difficult it would be for someone to keep up with the modern "electronic" music progression from "putting the morr.." to the n5MD MD1, to this comp, im beginning to feel submerged, over my head, out of my purchasing power league, its all so fucking good, but when is enough enough anyone else having a similar realization dawn on them?? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-01-26 04:22...(Sunsp0t)...Interestingly I find a siimlar, yet distinctly different problem occuring nowadays. With t

From:: ...(Sunsp0t)... <sunspot@subdimension.com>
To:: idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:22:34 -0500
Subject:: Re: RE: [idm] not funny, & artefacts

Interestingly I find a siimlar, yet distinctly different problem occuring nowadays. With the advent of Napster, the potential influx of music has become so enormous that I seemed to have the lost the fun of getting music like I used to. I used to buy a CD only once in while and immerse myself in it. After a month or two, I'd get another and the love affair would begin again... Now with Napster, I have a choice of so much music that non of it is really appealing anymore. Perhaps the arrival of Napster is just coincidental to my complete disgust with the glitch-dsp CRAP that seems to be the "talk of the town" on this list.(On another note, I truly wonder how many of you really like this noise shit, and how many of you are just afraid to get up and say that you hate it for fear of being chewed out.) Perhaps Napster has had an unintended effect of providing a sensory overload, and in doing so, will destroy the music scene through an unanticipated route - creation of pure apathy. For me, this dime-a-dozen, random glitch sounds shit doesn't help much - perhaps I'm not one to judge, but from the discussions and music touted on this list, IDM seems to have devolved into some extremely unintelligent gurglings. I expec this sort of "creative" copycatting from pop muisc not an alternative/pretty much non-lucrative subgenre. Sunspot --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-01-26 04:46EggyToast> > Now with Napster, I have a choice of so much music that non of it > is really appealin

From:: EggyToast <youn0394@umn.edu>
To:: <sunspot@subdimension.com>, idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:46:54 -0600
Subject:: Re: RE: [idm] not funny, & artefacts
Reply to:: Re: RE: [idm] not funny, & artefacts

quoted 8 lines Now with Napster, I have a choice of so much music that non of it

> > Now with Napster, I have a choice of so much music that non of it > is really appealing anymore. Perhaps the arrival of Napster is just > coincidental to my complete disgust with the glitch-dsp CRAP that seems > to be the "talk of the town" on this list.(On another note, I truly > wonder how many of you really like this noise shit, and how many of you > are just afraid to get up and say that you hate it for fear of being > chewed out.)

<stands up> i don't like a lot of the "dsp for the sake of dsp" stuff that's come out lately, since much of it sounds rather uninspired, in my opinion. to me, the most interesting "idm" as of late has been the stuff that hasn't been afraid of using "purer" sounds... actually, i suppose i've always sort of liked a "pure" element in at least some of the tracks i hear. aphex twin's "pancake lizard" was one of my early favorites, along with ae's "leterel". i had heard enough synth lines before i was even into idm, and most "dsp trickery" still revolves around a rather basic synthy sounding melody. it works, but it doesn't particularly interest me. of course, as a complete opposite to this point, richard devine's near lack of melody and total dsp-ism is done really well, mainly, i think, because of the constantly changing and seemingly random presentation, merged with a non-808 rhythm (and a total lack of cheezy kick drums) ;D i just ordered the just released and limited to 2000 pan american 12", and am looking forward to that. <sits down> cheers, /derek - - - - - Alice could not help her lips curing up into a smile as she began: "Do you know, I always thought Unicorns were fabulous monsters, too! I never saw one alive before!" "Well, now that we HAVE seen each other," said the Unicorn, "if you'll believe in me, I'll believe in you. Is that a bargain?" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-01-26 08:43Konstantin Minko> Interestingly I find a siimlar, yet distinctly different > problem occuring nowadays. Wi

From:: Konstantin Minko <ibss@ukrpack.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>, <sunspot@subdimension.com>
Date:: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:43:03 +0200
Subject:: RE: RE: [idm] not funny, & artefacts
Reply to:: Re: RE: [idm] not funny, & artefacts

quoted 27 lines Interestingly I find a siimlar, yet distinctly different

> Interestingly I find a siimlar, yet distinctly different > problem occuring nowadays. With the advent of Napster, the > potential influx of music has become so enormous that I seemed > to have the lost the fun of getting music like I used to. I used > to buy a CD only once in while and immerse myself in it. After a > month or two, I'd get another and the love affair would begin again... > > Now with Napster, I have a choice of so much music that non > of it is really appealing anymore. Perhaps the arrival of Napster > is just coincidental to my complete disgust with the glitch-dsp > CRAP that seems to be the "talk of the town" on this list.(On > another note, I truly wonder how many of you really like this > noise shit, and how many of you are just afraid to get up and say > that you hate it for fear of being chewed out.) > > Perhaps Napster has had an unintended effect of providing a > sensory overload, and in doing so, will destroy the music scene > through an unanticipated route - creation of pure apathy. > For me, this dime-a-dozen, random glitch sounds shit doesn't help > much - perhaps I'm not one to judge, but from the discussions and > music touted on this list, IDM seems to have devolved into some > extremely unintelligent gurglings. I expec this sort of > "creative" copycatting from pop muisc not an alternative/pretty > much non-lucrative subgenre. > > Sunspot >

Naw. Napster has nothing to do with it. Mp3 quality sucks anyway. How could one fall in love affair with resin women? What delight do you expect from this barren mp3 quality? I hope you just have a period of music fatigue.. 8) It might happen with any thing in life... you'll be back to it with even more enthusiasm I'm sure... ..with respect to glitch dsp noise idm... hell yeah! I'm the one to tell that there's lots of muzak in idm these days and we have to dig into it much more deepeer to find what we seek...I'm hungry for more melodic stuff now for sure...I still don't like EP7 in comparison to my utter and complete love of their previous releases...and if the gems are hard to find, doesn't it make finding really brilliant stuff even more pleasing? I might be just too optimistic on that but I do agree with you and have a much bright view of the situation simultaneously.. 8) Alien --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-01-26 15:22Irene McCIt was said previously: > Mp3 quality sucks anyway. What do you base this on? Your persona

From:: Irene McC <substar@iafrica.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:22:08 +0200
Subject:: [idm] Sound quality
Reply to:: RE: RE: [idm] not funny, & artefacts

It was said previously:

quoted 1 line Mp3 quality sucks anyway.

> Mp3 quality sucks anyway.

What do you base this on? Your personal opinion? Your 'golden ears'? What sort of playback facilities do you employ? Do you only listen to vinyl? If you do, I understand your reluctance to embrace MP3's. But if you are used to CD's, which are purely a digital format anyway, then MP3's are not that far removed in sound quality. (Most of the music we are discussing here is digitally manipulated to start with.) In blind testing using audiophile-type snobs, they were *unable* to tell apart the original source recording from an MP3 encoded @128kbps or higher. Sure, it depends on codecs, algorhythms and other nice words, but at the end of the day if there is a happy confluence of all the relevant bits of technology, the result should be sweet and pleasing. Try again please before forming opinions. I * np : Herbie Hancock - Dis is Da Drum (try this for funky beatz) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-01-26 16:58Konstantin Minko> It was said previously: > > > Mp3 quality sucks anyway. > > What do you base this on? Yo

From:: Konstantin Minko <ibss@ukrpack.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>, Irene McC <substar@iafrica.com>
Date:: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:58:40 +0200
Subject:: RE: [idm] Sound quality
Reply to:: [idm] Sound quality

quoted 6 lines It was said previously:

> It was said previously: > > > Mp3 quality sucks anyway. > > What do you base this on? Your personal opinion? Your 'golden > ears'? What sort of playback facilities do you employ?

Yes, I base it on my personal humble opinion. I've got normal ears but musical people who know me always told me that I'm not earless in musical sense... I employ Rotel amplifier 971 mkII and cd player 950 and B&W 603 S2 speakers with Golden Eagle cables which changed my opinion on quality of the music absolutely....Now I can listen to classical music and realise how great it is without going to the live concerts...the change in musical atmosphear and stereo panorama was astonishing....

quoted 5 lines Do you only listen to vinyl? If you do, I understand your reluctance

> Do you only listen to vinyl? If you do, I understand your reluctance > to embrace MP3's. But if you are used to CD's, which are purely a > digital format anyway, then MP3's are not that far removed in sound > quality. (Most of the music we are discussing here is digitally > manipulated to start with.)

No, unfortunately, I do not listen to vynil as i still have no money to buy a decent turntable. Though I've started to collect vynils already...8-)

quoted 3 lines In blind testing using audiophile-type snobs, they were *unable* to

> In blind testing using audiophile-type snobs, they were *unable* to > tell apart the original source recording from an MP3 encoded > @128kbps or higher.

mp3 128 does sound different from original source recording, greatly. I can hear that, though not always that clearly. the most effect it has is on the subconscious acceptance of atmosphear and panorama and on clarity of the higher frequencies...you can kill me for that anyway... I know people who say that they cannot tell cheap cassette player sound from Cd player....if I am sound quality snob then who are they?

quoted 3 lines Sure, it depends on codecs, algorhythms and other nice words, but

> Sure, it depends on codecs, algorhythms and other nice words, but > at the end of the day if there is a happy confluence of all the > relevant bits of technology, the result should be sweet and pleasing.

mp3 192 and higher are good for me but I still would not compare them to originals as even after decompressing of mp3 192kbs and buring it on CD they sound differently...IMHO IMHO IMHO

quoted 1 line Try again please before forming opinions.

> Try again please before forming opinions.

that's one of the most outrageous things i've ever heard in my mails! if it would not be from you Irene, the person I do deeply respect and have a personal attachment to, I would say something really offensive... 8( what the hell is this list coming to if a person telling his personal opinion on the quality of a compressed music (which is worse than original in the every meaning of that fact of compression) gets offensive mails telling he's a snob? CD quality is bad because of the digital representation of the sound that has its own limitations but then how compressed CD sound can be good? ok. if you do not hear it - it's your opinion, I CAN hear that and I CLEARLY SAY THAT 128 kbs MP3 SOUND SUCKS IN COMPARISON TO ORIGINAL CDs....now you can call me snob one more time... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-01-26 09:49...(Sunsp0t)...>for sure...I still don't like EP7 in comparison to my utter and complete >love of their p

From:: ...(Sunsp0t)... <sunspot@subdimension.com>
To:: Konstantin Minko <ibss@ukrpack.net>
Cc:: idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 4:49:44 -0500
Subject:: Re: RE: RE: [idm] not funny, & artefacts

quoted 2 lines for sure...I still don't like EP7 in comparison to my utter and complete

>for sure...I still don't like EP7 in comparison to my utter and complete >love of their previous releases...

I feel the same way. Tri Repetae was great and then the descent began. Despite the supposed genius behind EP7 that some observed, I still think its a piece of crap. Complexity without depth is just a piece of shit in a nice carrying case. :) What happened to melody? Why has everyone jumped on this steel factory-sounding motif? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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