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quoted 4 lines furthermore, what's wrong with elitism?

> furthermore, what's wrong with elitism? > > > the very same thing which is wrong with facism : intolerance... to say

quoted 1 line the least !!!

> the least !!!

that's way too vague. both fascism and intolerance have their good points. < < < < what could the good points be, unless maybe for you to try to be noticed, provocative... or simply a moron ? philippe ************************************************************** http://www.bip-hop.com unconventional sound adventures, adventurous & creative electronica... ************************************************************** BiP-HOp Generation v.1 MARUMARI / SCHNEIDER TM / PHONEM / GOEM / ULTRA MILKMAIDS / MASSIMO BiP-HOp Generation v. 2 AROVANE / BERNARD FLEISCHMANN / WARMDESK / KÖHN / WANG INC. / LAURENT PERNICE Bip-Hop is a label devoted to spread unconventional sound adventures, adventurous & creative electronica... sounds, based on machines, mix, modulations, modifications, sampling, glitches, clicks & cuts... blip... bleep... bip... BiP-HOp Generation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, philippe petit wrote:

quoted 2 lines what could the good points be, unless maybe for you to try to be

> what could the good points be, unless maybe for you to try to be > noticed, provocative... or simply a moron ?

well, some of fascism's good points: - unites the people against a common enemy - brings about a strong economy - instills a sense of pride in oneself - and the trains run on time and some of intolerance's: - makes your life easier by eliminating people to care about - gets you lots of exciting friends - it's a good motivator so, little philip, even bad things have their good parts. it all depends on your priorities. (you didn't think i actually meant that intolerance is great and we need more of it, did you? you must use the bad things as a tool when you need to.) micah stupak /"\ laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / international bright young kook against HTML email X / \ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines okay, I have to jump in here.

>okay, I have to jump in here. > >saying that fascism has it's good points is like saying that falling out of >an airplane without a parachute is adventurous. Sure, you enjoy the rush of

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On 11 Jan 2001, laerm wrote:

quoted 10 lines On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, philippe petit wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, philippe petit wrote: > > > what could the good points be, unless maybe for you to try to be > > noticed, provocative... or simply a moron ? > > well, some of fascism's good points: > - unites the people against a common enemy > - brings about a strong economy > - instills a sense of pride in oneself > - and the trains run on time

trains never run on time :D unless they exhibit a great deal of entropy. which is the case in many cities in mexico, where the busses (granted, they're not trains) are owned by individuals, and not companies. therefore, they all tend to be where people are when they need to be, and through chaos are more on time than scheduled busses. now if only we could get "idm" on the radio, then we'd all take the busses a bit more. well there's always discmen/minidisks/mp3things :D --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

laerm wrote:

quoted 9 lines On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, philippe petit wrote:

> > On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, philippe petit wrote: > > > what could the good points be, unless maybe for you to try to be > > noticed, provocative... or simply a moron ? > > well, some of fascism's good points: > - unites the people against a common enemy > - brings about a strong economy

fascism doesn't bring about a strong economy; it forces a nation into an artificial state of war so industrial productivity goes way up. at the same time this happens, however, funds are diverted from education towards the mass expansion of the military and the creation of neo-military organizations for civilians. you end up with physically fit undeducated workers. this is why fascism burns out like a fuse after a short while, by stigmatizing the educated and the intellectuals and cutting funding off from schools you begin a slow brain drain that eventually brings down your regime. hence all the axis-power academics that fled to the US and Britain during the second world war, like fermi and einstein. and uniting people against a common enemy is a benefit of binarist thinking, not a definitive aspect of fascism. fascism relies upon the creation of mass myth-belief, the revision of history, and the deification of political action. the US civil rights movement in the 50s and 60s brought together wide-ranging groups of people who had previously not worked together in the fight for racial equality. after the movement dissipated, so did the allegiances formed during its heyday. don't defend a stupid point. your post was the equivalent of defending a dog turd for its pleasant olive-brown color. - j. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines don't defend a stupid point. your post was the equivalent of defending a

>don't defend a stupid point. your post was the equivalent of defending a >dog turd for its pleasant olive-brown color.

you mean like the people on this list who defend (or trash) certain pieces of music based on artist or process involved rather than on the basis of the actual aesthetic? if fascists made music, what would it sound like? dil --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Christopher Dilkus wrote:

quoted 1 line if fascists made music, what would it sound like?

> if fascists made music, what would it sound like?

russolo had ties to fascism; marinetti (who wrote the _manifesto of futurism_) was one of il duce's right hand men in the early days. the only reason i'm continuing this thread is because you all failed to realise that i wasn't so much defending fascism as proving a point. micah stupak /"\ laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / international bright young kook against HTML email X / \ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Christopher Dilkus wrote:

quoted 7 lines don't defend a stupid point. your post was the equivalent of defending a

> > >don't defend a stupid point. your post was the equivalent of defending a > >dog turd for its pleasant olive-brown color. > > you mean like the people on this list who defend (or trash) certain pieces of music based on artist or process involved rather than on the basis of the actual aesthetic? > > if fascists made music, what would it sound like?

hmm. "actual aesthetic" is a little vague, don't you think? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

your point sucks. you are effectively defending elitism by defending fascism. doesn't that seem a little counterproductive? laerm wrote:

quoted 19 lines On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Christopher Dilkus wrote:

> > On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Christopher Dilkus wrote: > > > if fascists made music, what would it sound like? > > russolo had ties to fascism; marinetti (who wrote the _manifesto of > futurism_) was one of il duce's right hand men in the early days. > > the only reason i'm continuing this thread is because you all failed to > realise that i wasn't so much defending fascism as proving a point. > > micah stupak /"\ > laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / > international bright young kook against HTML email X > / \ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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