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2000-12-16 18:46Ian Pojman [idm] Re: schoenberg ?= random and CHAOS#$@
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2000-12-16 18:46Ian Pojmanon 12/15/00 9:17 PM, idm-digest-help@hyperreal.org at idm-digest-help@hyperreal.org wrote:
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[idm] Re: schoenberg ?= random and CHAOS#$@
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on 12/15/00 9:17 PM, idm-digest-help@hyperreal.org at idm-digest-help@hyperreal.org wrote:
quoted 3 lines Are there loops in chaos?> Are there loops in chaos? > > g.
yes, chaos has order. thats the whole beauty of it.
quoted 2 lines Although I'm not so familiar with his work, perhaps Arnold Shoenberg's 12>> Although I'm not so familiar with his work, perhaps Arnold Shoenberg's 12 >> tone compositions fit into the "non loop based" category. Perhaps Zappa?
quoted 3 lines No, actually, Schoenberg's serial works are heavily "loop" based, if you>No, actually, Schoenberg's serial works are heavily "loop" based, if you >accept a loose definition of loop, which seems to be what the "fuck-a-dog >challenge" person had in mind.
Schoenberg would shit if you guys really thought his music was just random notes. And yes, thats what the "fuck-a-dog" person had in mind (-- No, I like tight definitions of the word loop - only in meter. Come on. :P) Anyway, FYI... 12 tones ARE loops. Usin the same recurring 12 tones. THINK about it man. on another note, to keep things compact: Sure there are loops in chaos. Otherwise it would be of no interest to us. Complete randomness is a different premise than that of the chaos theory. I'll be forced to attempt prove it if anyone disagrees, so please dont? :)
quoted 6 lines At first glance, it would seem not (by definition). Perhaps, though, the>At first glance, it would seem not (by definition). Perhaps, though, the >difficulty would lie in perpiscuity rather than in the actual existence of >them. >In which case, though, it wouldn't make a lot of practical difference for >arguing >the point (and actually would be a rather cheap form of argumentation).
> jeff Guillaume Grenier wrote:
quoted 3 lines But, I admit that Cage's chance pieces is an interesting proposition... ;)>> But, I admit that Cage's chance pieces is an interesting proposition... ;) >> >> Are there loops in chaos?
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