on 12/15/00 9:17 PM, idm-digest-help@hyperreal.org at
idm-digest-help@hyperreal.org wrote:
quoted 3 lines Are there loops in chaos?
> Are there loops in chaos?
>
> g.
yes, chaos has order. thats the whole beauty of it.
quoted 2 lines Although I'm not so familiar with his work, perhaps Arnold Shoenberg's 12
>> Although I'm not so familiar with his work, perhaps Arnold Shoenberg's 12
>> tone compositions fit into the "non loop based" category. Perhaps Zappa?
quoted 3 lines No, actually, Schoenberg's serial works are heavily "loop" based, if you
>No, actually, Schoenberg's serial works are heavily "loop" based, if you
>accept a loose definition of loop, which seems to be what the "fuck-a-dog
>challenge" person had in mind.
Schoenberg would shit if you guys really thought his music was just random
notes. And yes, thats what the "fuck-a-dog" person had in mind (-- No, I
like tight definitions of the word loop - only in meter. Come on. :P)
Anyway, FYI... 12 tones ARE loops. Usin the same recurring 12 tones. THINK
about it man.
on another note, to keep things compact:
Sure there are loops in chaos. Otherwise it would be of no interest to us.
Complete randomness is a different premise than that of the chaos theory.
I'll be forced to attempt prove it if anyone disagrees, so please dont? :)
quoted 6 lines At first glance, it would seem not (by definition). Perhaps, though, the
>At first glance, it would seem not (by definition). Perhaps, though, the
>difficulty would lie in perpiscuity rather than in the actual existence of
>them.
>In which case, though, it wouldn't make a lot of practical difference for
>arguing
>the point (and actually would be a rather cheap form of argumentation).
> jeff
Guillaume Grenier wrote:
quoted 3 lines But, I admit that Cage's chance pieces is an interesting proposition... ;)
>> But, I admit that Cage's chance pieces is an interesting proposition... ;)
>>
>> Are there loops in chaos?
.>
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Ian / / / / delphi
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