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2000-11-15 03:44i.d.m. [idm] up, bustle, and out + cage/reich? + orb/juno reactor?
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2000-11-15 16:52zachary mastoon Re: [idm] up, bustle, and out + cage/reich? + orb/juno reactor?
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2000-11-15 03:44i.d.m.anyone else out there picked up amster sessions 1 by up, bustle, and out from the ninjatun
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anyone else out there picked up amster sessions 1 by up, bustle, and out from the ninjatune clan? i'm really grooving on it. really nice afro-cuban style. anyone who's a fan of the buena vista social club soundtrack should check this cd out, as well. clifford gilberto is fun, as well, but i REALLY like the up,bustle, and out cd. dj vadim ussr reconstruction is nice, too. remix by oval!?!?! too weird to believe - oval reinterpretting a vadim song. also, anyone have a good recommendation for something to get by john cage or steve reich? i'm reading a book of my girlfriend's about john cage from a college class, i think. she doesn't have any cage and has only one disc of reich's, which i really liked(forget the name, though). anyway, i'd really appreciate it, and i'd recommend the book, too, to anyone who doesn't fully appreciate the influence of past composers on the wild idm-ers of today. it's called john cage (ex)plain(ed) by richard kostelanetz. really good read so far, although i am only 40 or so pages in so far. lastly, anyone out there seen the orb/juno reactor tour? i don't really care about seeing juno reactor, but i'd love to see alex paterson in action. my girlfriend's best friend saw orb a while back and says not to miss seeing orb live. my ? is, is it an orb show or just alex helping out juno reactor? i thought i heard rumors here earlier that it was just alex helping out and not really an orb tour. any cydonia stuff from anyone who's gone? i hope so! later - nikolaus
2000-12-01 00:31R. LimOn Tue, 14 Nov 2000, i.d.m. wrote: > also, anyone have a good recommendation for something
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, i.d.m. wrote:
quoted 2 lines also, anyone have a good recommendation for something to get by john> also, anyone have a good recommendation for something to get by john > cage or steve reich? i'm reading a book of my girlfriend's about john
There's a 3CD set by Wergo called _The 25-Year Retrospective Concert of John Cage_ which is a great overview of his influential early work. It includes most of the hits (First Construction in Metal, Imaginary Landscape no 1, a disc of the gamelan-esque Sonatas for Prepared Piano and Williams Mix among others) and is performed by an all-star cast (including the composer himself). It's about $40. Another good introduction to his ideas (and sense of humor) is the 2CD _Indeterminancy_, which is 90 Cage stories recited against occasional musical outbursts from David Tudor, who was in another room fiddling with music playback of Cage electronic pieces. The essential Steve Reich pieces: Four Organs Phase Patterns Come Out It's Gonna Rain Pendulum Phase everything else is more or less poo. Reich was part of a group of SF-based composers of a like mind (who founded the San Francisco Tape Music Center, which was later subsumed into Mills College), so if you're really blown away by his tape pieces you really oughta check out early Pauline Oliveros (Alien Bog/Beautiful Soop CD, as well as a comp on Paradigm) & Terry Riley (Music From the Gift CD is the most apropos, but all of the Cortical stuff is excellent). Oliveros in particular was good enough for Brian Eno to completely rip off for his "Discrete Music" "system" some time later. By the way, you can get all of these CDs from Forced Exposure while you're loading up on whatever else you happen to be loading up on. -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 16:52zachary mastoon>From: "i.d.m." <i.d.m.@netzero.net> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: [idm] up, bustle,
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quoted 7 lines From: "i.d.m." <i.d.m.@netzero.net>>From: "i.d.m." <i.d.m.@netzero.net> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: [idm] up, bustle, and out + cage/reich? + orb/juno reactor? >Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:44:46 -0800 > >dj vadim ussr reconstruction is nice, too. remix by oval!?!?! too weird >to believe - oval reinterpretting a vadim song.
are you kidding?? woah..
quoted 2 lines also, anyone have a good recommendation for something to get by john cage>also, anyone have a good recommendation for something to get by john cage >or steve reich?
Here's three recommendations for Steve Reich: _Early Works_, as the title implies, is a great introduction to his work. There's two stand-outs (to me, anyway. "Come Out" was made from a sampled quote of someone who had been beaten in the watts prison riots: "I had to, like, open the bruise up and let the bruise blood come out to show them." He then chopped "come out to show them" and ran it on a number of cassette players so the loops went in and out of phase with each other (the majority of his early stuff is phase music made with tape loops). The second is "It's Gonna Rain," which is splices of, you guessed it, a preacher saying "It's gonna rain," with the second part of the song running a number of different phrases running over each other. _Drumming_ is incredible. It's notated, mainly repetitive, rhythms which build and change much like a dj set. the cool thing about it is that when a new rhythm is introduced, it is almost always a little out of phase with the original, creating a really jarring polyrhythm and recontextualizing the initial one, sounding like a dj taking a little too long to get two records to lock in a groove. If you get the Deutsche Grammaphon release, it includes (I forgot the title) Music for 8 pianos?? I think that's it. Anyway, it's fucking sick. Finally, _Different Trains/Counterpoint_ is something he did with Kronos Quartet and Pat Metheny. He recorded Holocaust victims remembering the trains, and other Americans talking about their experiences traveling. He took snippets like "From Chicago to New York," notated the natural cadence of their phrase, and then had Kronos Quartet play a chugging rhythm and play along with the samples. They changed tempos and keys according to the samples. Fucking brilliant, I think. Counterpoint is just real pretty and minimal guitar.
quoted 2 lines i'm reading a book of my girlfriend's about john cage from a college class,>i'm reading a book of my girlfriend's about john cage from a college class, >i think.
A good Cage Book is _Silence_, a collection of his essays and lectures. It's kind of difficult reading cause, well, you'll see when/if you get it.... As far as his music goes, um, someone could probably answer it a lot better than I could. Williams Mix is cool... Happy listening! z _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org