I never said anything about the intended use of house music; sure, it's always
been intended for the dancefloor, but to suggest that any composer with a
working noggin only composes music to be consumed by an e-gobbling audience is
outdated.
Look. I'm not a house freak. But I am in the middle of some sort of epiphany
regarding a genre that I once dismissed as being brainless post-disco, and
there's a reason for that: seems to me there's been a landscape shift in the
past few years, and that no longer is house the sole refuge of the Armand Van
Heldens of the world, and that the four-on-the-floor stomp of house is a
potentially interesting starting point for a different kind of dance music. Is
there anything wrong with creating music that both shakes the rumpa and buzzes
the brain? Is there anything wrong with unfettered joy? Or must we always be
furrow browed, wary of anything that gets our rocks off?
As for the somewhat abrasive tone of my post, I apologize; perhaps I
misunderstood your opinion of house. Seemed to me you were being dismissive,
something that I've been guilty of in the past in regards to house. If that
wasn't the case, sorry, and expect a dozen roses on your doorstop in the
morning.
Re: my recommendation of Beige's output: a great label that most definitely
*does not* concentrate on house music; they're all over the place. But their
first Bitwise Operators stuff is wonderfully tech-housey.
Oh, and of course I know what WYHIWYG means: Wiggle your hiney, it will
yelp gleefully!
rr
np: Outkast.
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Subject: Re: [idm] Re: Luomo
Author: Bill Wright <bill@subtr.ac>
Date: 11/14/00 9:13 PM
Do you really think that it's erroneous to say that the majority of house
is made to be listened to on big bass-pumping speakers in a club? Isn't
this the definition of house? If the majority of house producers made
house to be listened to on headphones, well, it wouldn't be house music. I
was merely stating WYHIWYG as I think most house producers would agree that
their music was intended to be played and listened to in clubs, not on
headphones. And most house producers would also agree that keeping only
the necessary elements in a mix make it most effective on the dance floor.
If this wasn't so, why would they rely on a house groove or press their
records as 12" singles, if no one is going to be mixing it or dance to it?
And where the hell do you come to the conclusion that me saying
WYHIWYG=HOUSE IS BAD? (re: your pov statement). I actually like a lot of
house, but I also realize that it's best listened to on some nice
loudspeakers, not on headphones. I'm not saying music is bad if you can't
listen to it on headphones, which your whole argument seems to be based on.
(you *did* realize that WYHIWYG stands for, "What you hear is what you
get", right?...not "woah yeah, house is wack yo g")
At 04:04 PM 11/14/2000 -0800, you wrote:
quoted 43 lines It's this kind of broad stroked crap that pisses me off about many IDMers'
>It's this kind of broad stroked crap that pisses me off about many IDMers'
>thoughts on house; you hear one hipster house record, Luomo, put out by an
>ersatz "IDM" dude, Vladislav Delay, go all nuts for it (because it *is* a
>great
>record) and then retreat to your bunker and return to lobbing hand grenades at
>the rest of the house world, rather than approach it from the more open-minded
>POV: "Wow. Maybe my initial thoughts on house, WYHIWYG, are coming from a
>point
>of ignorance; maybe house isn't all bad. Maybe I've just knee jerked my
>way into
>thinking it all sucks." Guess what. Intelligence and house aren't mutually
>exclusive terms. There's just as many deep house records that rival the
>complexity, thoughtfulness and creativity of any Kit Clayton record;
>hundreds of
>them, in fact. That you've never heard them is fine; nobody can listen to it
>all. But hell, to dismiss a whole genre based on erroneous, outdated
>assumptions
>is as close-minded as some metalhead saying all electronic music sounds like
>disco. There's some weird shit going on in house music right now, weirder
>and as
>exciting as anything coming out of the IDM camp.
> Two mixes to start with: Terry Lee Brown Jr.'s Cafe 3, a stunner of a
> deep
>house mix that just came out. And Jesper Dahlback's nice Stockholm Sessions 2,
>on Turbo, is also pretty great -- it even contains Luomo's "Market" 12".
>You can
>check any of the Force Tracks 12"s for other nice minimal house records,
>though
>some are better than others; I actually like the Junkie Sartre & Hexaquart
>"Ignorance" 12" better than the Luomo. It's beautiful. By far the best house
>vinyl I have is put out by Beige Records, their first one -- the Bitwise
>Operator's "Tardy Tracks." Genius, if you can track it down.
>www.beigerecords.com has mp3s of it.
>
>guh.
>rr
>
>
> >> With most house records, WYHIWYG.
>
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