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i feel like a dork when i say IDM, or IDM type stuff, or IDM-ish, or when i have to explain that it's called Intelligent Dance Music. so, i'm sticking to Complex Electronics. that's all. further bulletins as events warrant. a. "Exterminate all rational thought. That is the conclusion I have come to." - Bill Lee, Naked Lunch

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quoted 2 lines i feel like a dork when i say IDM, or IDM type stuff, or IDM-ish, or when i

> i feel like a dork when i say IDM, or IDM type stuff, or IDM-ish, or when i > have to explain that it's called Intelligent Dance Music.

Do don't say "IDM" say "weird electronic shit" or something like that if you really need a label. Actually "weird electronic shit" is 1000 times more descriptive than "Intelligent Dance Music" (whatever the hell that is)

quoted 1 line so, i'm sticking to Complex Electronics.

> so, i'm sticking to Complex Electronics.

IDM is, on the whole, no more "complex" than it is "intelligent" Props to kid606 for calling IDM "Innovative Digital Music" but then again, that really isn't appropriate either. case in point. -andrew -- ----=Urbana Youth Outreach=---- ========-White Rabbits-======== -----------+Dasein+------------ http://www.konfused.net/~asmith/ Eupholus Records: (217)353-5188 http://www.eupholus.net/ "The stupider it looks, the more important it probably is..." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 02:36:19PM -0600, %andrew wrote:

quoted 4 lines Do don't say "IDM" say "weird electronic shit" or something like

> Do don't say "IDM" say "weird electronic shit" or something like > that if you really need a label. Actually "weird electronic shit" is 1000 > times more descriptive than "Intelligent Dance Music" (whatever the hell > that is)

I usually stick to "weird techno stuff" or "experimental electronic" depending on to whom I'm speaking. Or say something like "you know Aphex Twin?"

quoted 2 lines Props to kid606 for calling IDM "Innovative Digital Music" but then again,

> Props to kid606 for calling IDM "Innovative Digital Music" but then again, > that really isn't appropriate either. case in point.

I always thought IDM stood for "I Don't Move," judging from IDM shows, at least. -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines Props to kid606 for calling IDM "Innovative Digital Music" but then again,

> > Props to kid606 for calling IDM "Innovative Digital Music" but then again, > > that really isn't appropriate either. case in point. > I always thought IDM stood for "I Don't Move," judging from IDM shows, > at least.

hey...ive seen people try to get down....plus dont you count "chin scratching" as movement??? -m --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I think IDM fans are just intelligent enough to realize that people who get their groove on at electronic shows usually just embarrass themselves... -Greg

quoted 4 lines I always thought IDM stood for "I Don't Move," judging from IDM shows,

> > I always thought IDM stood for "I Don't Move," judging from IDM shows, > at least. >

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quoted 2 lines I think IDM fans are just intelligent enough to realize that people who get

> I think IDM fans are just intelligent enough to realize that people who get > their groove on at electronic shows usually just embarrass themselves...

Oh we wouldn't want that, now would we? Right. I hate going to a show and seeing all those morons dancing. God forbid I ever join their flailing ranks. Besides, there might be gurls watching... *blush* -andrew -- ----=Urbana Youth Outreach=---- ========-White Rabbits-======== -----------+Dasein+------------ http://www.konfused.net/~asmith/ Eupholus Records: (217)353-5188 http://www.eupholus.net/ "The stupider it looks, the more important it probably is..." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

wow... i wonder how many more times we'll bring up this topic before the end of the year. it's so funny. if you don't like it, call it something else. but don't come to the list and say that you don't like it. everyone on the list already knows that everyone doesn't like it. there should be something on the welcome message that says something like "as to the name itself, well, no one really likes it. but we're not going to change it. so don't post to the list saying that *you* don't like it. we know that already." moving on... top ten of recent memory (no order here...) 01: v/a: cottage industries: neo ouija great comp. full of melody and soul. one of the many excellent comps to come out this year. 02: v/a: putting the morr back in morrissey: morr music another great set of music by lots of different people. lots of melody, with nice crunchiness, too. 03: styrofoam: the point misser: morr music does morr release *bad* music? this album is great. very pretty n' gritty. 'the earth is burning pt 1' is classic. 04: dntel: something always goes wrong: phthalo okay. so i haven't even heard the whole album, but what i heard i really, really liked. great electronic stuff. abrasive kinda like early aphex or something. 05: v/a: neurokinetic: toytronic yet another good comp featuring lots of people from the above comps, and some others. has that excellent novel23 track 'blink run away to east'. 06: rothko: forty years to find a voice: lo recordings three men with three bass guitars. not as straightforward as it sounds, cause they do lots of different things with them, and have some guests in the studio for some tracks. 07: novel23: melodies for childhood... : pitchcadet more melodies with clickiness and stuff. 08: aphelion: zugwang: defocus great album of atmospheric techno with an old school feel. i've heard it compared to b12 and black dog, and i think those are valid comparisons. really lush. 09: mandrake: shake your space traveller: involve another good release on the involve imprint. lots of different styles with an overall "fun" feeling. 10: jega: geometry: planet mu/matador not quite so much like spectrum, which to me is a good thing. not that i completely didn't like spectrum. i just like this one much better. some very different sounds this time around. very nice. now i have to go home tonight and listen to all of these in a row... =) goodbye, alan! np:cottage industries. mmmm... p.s. speaking of mmmm... anyone else picked up hmm on sprawl? it's a collection of hymns reworked by electronic folks. freeform's version of "morning has broken" is one of the best/funniest things i've heard all year. right up there with the "freeform is a bad motherfucker" track on alt.frequencies.4. haven't had time to really get into the rest of the album yet, so it's not on my top ten. but it's a neat concept regardless. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Here's a reply to the message "[idm] i don't like the name idm." written on Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:24:44 -0800:

quoted 1 line i feel like a dork when i say IDM, or IDM type stuff, or IDM-ish, or when i have to explai

>i feel like a dork when i say IDM, or IDM type stuff, or IDM-ish, or when i have to explain that it's called Intelligent Dance Music.

Well, when questioned I usually refer to it as "electronica" or just "weird electronic shit", which conveys the basics of the genre to those who don't listen to it and is instantly recognised by those who do. Everyone's a winner. -- Mark Stevens http://www.headspin.clara.net/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

true. i usually start off by saying "weird electronic stuff... you probably haven't heard of any of it..." when describing. and somehow it ends on "yeah... it's weird stuff. you know aphex twin?" and get: "isn't he on the MTV Amp compilation?" i don't know. stuff. a. "Exterminate all rational thought. That is the conclusion I have come to." - Bill Lee, Naked Lunch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giles Dickerson" <gdickerson@digitas.com> Cc: "idm.list" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [idm] i don't like the name idm.

quoted 1 line You might as well stick to IDM, "Complex Electronics" sounds even more

> You might as well stick to IDM, "Complex Electronics" sounds even more

patronizing.

quoted 7 lines giles | http:

> > giles | http://www.flatplastic.com > -- > > "alland[byallo]" wrote: > > > i feel like a dork when i say IDM, or IDM type stuff, or IDM-ish, or

when i have to explain that it's called Intelligent Dance Music.

quoted 8 lines so, i'm sticking to Complex Electronics.

> > > > so, i'm sticking to Complex Electronics. > > > > that's all. > > further bulletins as events warrant. > > a. > > > > "Exterminate all rational thought. That is the conclusion I have come

to."

quoted 8 lines - Bill Lee, Naked Lunch

> > - Bill Lee, Naked Lunch > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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and so we're gonna call it... Rgds Rob (what's the point in changin' it???

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>From: *!*! <miked@konfused.net> >To: atomly <atomly@atomly.com> >CC: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] i don't like the name idm. >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 15:07:41 -0600 (CST) > > > > Props to kid606 for calling IDM "Innovative Digital Music" but then >again, > > > that really isn't appropriate either. case in point. > > I always thought IDM stood for "I Don't Move," judging from IDM shows, > > at least. > >hey...ive seen people try to get down....plus dont you count "chin >scratching" as movement??? > >-m > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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why not call it "electronic listening music"... that's the term I prefer to use. ... after all, wasn't that the catch phrase used by Warp on Artificial Intelligence I? I totally agree: "IDM" is a non-inclusive inaccurate term, since there's nothing more "intelligent" about this music than other genres, nor is it always "danceable".

quoted 4 lines Well, when questioned I usually refer to it as "electronica" or just

>Well, when questioned I usually refer to it as "electronica" or just >"weird electronic shit", which conveys the basics of the genre to >those who don't listen to it and is instantly recognised by those who >do. Everyone's a winner.

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Here's a reply to the message "Re: [idm] i don't like the name idm." written on Wed, 8 Nov 2000 15:17:23 -0600 (CST):

quoted 1 line can we change the topic to autechre now?

>can we change the topic to autechre now?

Yes, it's about time too. So, ep7 vs lp5... -- Mark Stevens http://www.headspin.clara.net/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Greg wrote:

quoted 4 lines I think IDM fans are just intelligent enough to realize that people who get

> > I think IDM fans are just intelligent enough to realize that people who get > their groove on at electronic shows usually just embarrass themselves... >

I started having a lot more fun at parties and shows once I figured out that almost _nobody_ knows how to dance. Just shake yer ass and don't fall down, and everyone will assume you know what you're doing. (Most of them are too worried about being found out to notice anyway.) Jump around. Boogie. Pogo! Stare at yer shoes and sway back and forth. Just don't stand there looking sullen - it makes _me_ self conscious when I'm doing the Electric Slide. ;P Embarassment requires your consent. -- Kevin | "Philosophy, improperly applied, inevitably Murphy | leads to paralysis." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

You might as well stick to IDM, "Complex Electronics" sounds even more patronizing. giles | http://www.flatplastic.com -- "alland[byallo]" wrote:

quoted 10 lines i feel like a dork when i say IDM, or IDM type stuff, or IDM-ish, or when i have to explai

> i feel like a dork when i say IDM, or IDM type stuff, or IDM-ish, or when i have to explain that it's called Intelligent Dance Music. > > so, i'm sticking to Complex Electronics. > > that's all. > further bulletins as events warrant. > a. > > "Exterminate all rational thought. That is the conclusion I have come to." > - Bill Lee, Naked Lunch

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most idm lovers are too intelligent to talk most are telepathic now what's your favorite autechre album? a friend of my calls it 'nerd music' ?? At 8-11-00 -0700 15:53, you wrote:

quoted 16 lines You might as well stick to IDM, "Complex Electronics" sounds even more

>You might as well stick to IDM, "Complex Electronics" sounds even more >patronizing. > >giles | http://www.flatplastic.com >-- > >"alland[byallo]" wrote: > > > i feel like a dork when i say IDM, or IDM type stuff, or IDM-ish, or > when i have to explain that it's called Intelligent Dance Music. > > > > so, i'm sticking to Complex Electronics. > > > > that's all. > > further bulletins as events warrant. > > a.

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The thing that I think is funny is that not one person likes the term IDM, yet we all continue to use it. I guess it's kind of like the election. We all hate the system of government that exists now, but about half of us still vote. And those that don't, do anything to change it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

in most europe places the stuff (ae, mas, funkstoring, markant, ..) goes around as electronics At 8-11-00 -0800 12:50, you wrote:

quoted 4 lines The thing that I think is funny is that not one person likes the term IDM,

>The thing that I think is funny is that not one person likes the term IDM, >yet we all continue to use it. I guess it's kind of like the election. We >all hate the system of government that exists now, but about half of us >still vote. And those that don't, do anything to change it.

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For me it normally goes something like this... "what kind of music do you like" "erm, erm... techno... sorta..." "I don't like techno" "no that's trance your thinking of..." Which it usually is! Never mind IDM, most people don't really even know what techno is and it's been around long enough. Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ro subramanya" <arohan@spiritone.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [idm] i don't like the name idm.

quoted 1 line why not call it "electronic listening music"... that's the term I prefer

> why not call it "electronic listening music"... that's the term I prefer

to

quoted 18 lines use.

> use. > > ... after all, wasn't that the catch phrase used by Warp on Artificial > Intelligence I? > > I totally agree: "IDM" is a non-inclusive inaccurate term, since there's > nothing more "intelligent" about this music than other genres, nor is it > always "danceable". > > >Well, when questioned I usually refer to it as "electronica" or just > >"weird electronic shit", which conveys the basics of the genre to > >those who don't listen to it and is instantly recognised by those who > >do. Everyone's a winner. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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how about W.E.S:weird electronic shit or F.U.D.S:fucked up dance shit or W.T.H.I.T:"what the hell is that", the statement your parents used the first time you started blasting it from your 40 dollar stereo or zzzzzzzzzzz muziq: the sound your 40 dollar stereo system will have behind it, in the background, after 4 years of loud W.T.H.I.T being blasted through its shitty speakers i still think "computer rock: and the general response you get from a hick when you blast ventolin through their expensive car stereo would do nicely as replacements for the outdated pre-00's term IDM T.I.O:turn it off why change, multiply _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org